Miss Rap Supreme and gender in hip hop

by Carmen Van Kerckhove

I started watching the new VH1 show Miss Rap Supreme after catching a few clips on either Talk Soup or Best Week Ever.

It’s the ego trip crew’s follow-up to The White Rapper Show, with the same tongue-in-cheek tone and painfully corny humor. (Case in point: MC Serch wears a postal worker outfit for a challenge in which the contestants have to dress up as famous male rappers. Mail. Male. Get it?) It purports to explore “the intriguing plight of yet another disenfranchised group in the rap game-the female MC.”

This week’s episode contained some run-of-the-mill reality show racism, with a white contestant telling a black contestant she’s the devil (because of a dream she had), and the black contestant retorting “Who’s the one with white skin?”

But what caught my interest more than the race stuff was the gender stuff.

One of the challenges on this episode was a he said/she said scenario, where the contestants were asked to respond to a sixteen by Too Short. His verse comes around -01:00:


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Here’s what they came up with:


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It was a pretty clear illustration to me of how hard it is to counter a sexist attack. There are no words equivalent to “bitch” or “ho” or “pussy” to denigrate a man for his masculinity. The worst thing you can call a man is a woman (using misogynistic terms). Or a gay man (using homophobic terms).

As with The White Rapper Show, I’m left wondering what ego trip’s point is. By singling out white rappers and female rappers, it seems like they’re trying to make some comment on race and gender in hip hop. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what that comment is supposed to be?

Trackbacks & Pings

  1. My Neck, My Back at Faux Real on 03 May 2008 at 8:33 pm

    […] Racialicious has a great post on the inanity of the new VH1 show Miss Rap Supreme, specifically on the pseudo-feminist goals of the show that fall short of actually making a feminist statement. On the episode featured in the post, the female rappers go up with a sixteen against Too Short, to whom I have admittedly undying affection. Racialicious writer Carmen Van Kerckhove notes, It was a pretty clear illustration to me of how hard it is to counter a sexist attack. There are no words equivalent to “bitch” or “ho” or “pussy” to denigrate a man for his masculinity. The worst thing you can call a man is a woman (using misogynistic terms). Or a gay man (using homophobic terms). […]

Comments

  1. Feminist Punk! wrote:

    yeah. No matter how hard we try, we all end up being screwed over by the White Male patriachal bullshit system.

    Kthanxbye.

  2. Cynthia wrote:

    I think it has to do with credibility. Hip Hop from the start was about black men talking about what was going on in their world. Of course, some woman infiltrated that set up but they often had to present themselves as unfeminine, they couldn’t be sexualized.

    I think a lot of people in hip hop believe that white people never had to “struggle” so what issues would they have to rap about? They don’t have the same lingo or point of view.

    Granted, the view is biased. I think MC Serch is trying to show that there is true talent outside the stereotypes (or a show that may get particularly decent ratings, who knows?). Women and white rappers can throw down just like everyone else, if they have urge too.

    Countering a sexist attack? I really don’t think there is one, the only thing you can do is out smart them, use your vocabulary. When you engage in rap battles it’s about humiliating your enemy, period by whatever means. I’ve seen brilliant rappers who didn’t kick it sexist and wiped the floor with their opponent it’s all about being creative. Most rappers want to make it easy, sexually or racially degrading someone is the simplest route to take.

  3. R-SON the Voice wrote:

    I think the point is supposed to be (with this and the white rapper show) that authenticity within Hip Hop exists in forms different from the one-dimensional picture of the culture that the maintream media presents. The irony of the whole thing is that with the white rapper show coming on the heels of Eminem’s success, that message may be a bit late. It may be more meaningful in this context, because there hasn’t been a hugely successful female MC in a long time. Even Latifah (the love of my life!) didn’t get really well known until she was about done with MCing. I stll believe she could hit the studio and drop some heat on a moment’s notice if she wanted to, but she doesn’t really need to.

    Now whether or not people get a broader idea of the culture from this or it just winds up being a caricatural portrayal of female MC’s remains to be seen. There are lots of talented ones out there (Eternia, Ethel Cee, Mystic, and on and on) so I hope that this doesn’t have a negative effect on them if this does indeed wind up being on some clown s%t.

  4. JustPlainOl'Me wrote:

    Cynthia: “Hip Hop from the start was about black men talking about what was going on in their world. Of course, some woman infiltrated that set up but they often had to present themselves as unfeminine, they couldn’t be sexualized.”

    I don’t know if that is really true. I think Salt-N-Pepa is probably the greatest female rap group of all time and I felt that they had some very sexualized songs: “I’ll Take Your Man,” “Push It,” “Tramp.”

    As I think about it, there aren’t any other female rap groups to meet great success: Conscious Daughters? [From The Bay]
    BWP?
    HWA?
    Men-Aj-Ah-Twa? [Eazy-E project]
    The Deadly Venoms? [Wu-Tang affiliates]
    Cookie Crew? [From U.K.]
    Wee Papa Girls? [From U.K.]
    Infamous Syndicate? [From Chicago]
    II Tru? [Bone Thugs-N-Harmony affiliates from Cleveland]

    Most of these all-female groups were blips on the Hip-Hop radar screen (except Conscious Daughters who I absolutely loved).

    I agree with that assessment when it comes to solo female MCs. Roxanne Shante and Antoinette has some sexuality to them as far as their appearance goes, but early MC Lyte and Queen Latifah weren’t packaged as sexualized in my opinion. MC Lyte’s “Ruffneck” was very interesting. She took on a very male look (in my opinion) but the song was probably one of her most sexual with lines like “pump it in and out and out and in…”

  5. wendi muse wrote:

    ugh too short’s rhyme just made me throw up in my mouth. what’s worse is that the women seemed to be amused by it. whenever i listen to old school too short that i remember hearing when i was younger, i get really sad b/c i know what the lyrics mean now.

  6. Ike wrote:

    Reminds me of battles where uncreative rappers attack Jin with washed-up old racist stereotypes. And then there’s no way for him to throw racism right back.

  7. JustPlainOl'Me wrote:

    Ike:

    Jin may not respond in kind with racism, but I’ve always thought he’s handled himself very well.

    I once remember him flipping a Chinese taunt back at his opponent by saying something about the guy’s shoes being made in China. While the retort completely ignores the likely awful conditions under which those shoes were made, it was a great line to come up with in the middle of a battle.

  8. Fatemeh wrote:

    Great post! After you said you were going to do it, I actually caught the episode you were talking about.
    Cynthia’s point about credibility is interesting. Are female rappers not “credible” because of their gender? This brings up the idea of what credibility in rap and hip-hop “looks like.” Is 50-cent more credible than Fat Joe? Are both of these men more credible than Erykah Badu or Queen Latifah?

  9. Cynthia wrote:

    JustPlain: I agree with you that Salt N Pepa are probably the only ones that made a name for themselves in the rap game and didn’t suppress the ways of the gender but how many people would really call them good rappers? Sure, they are nice to look at but I doubt many male rappers really consider on their level.

    The rate that male rappers engage in what is right and wrong in the rap game borders on hypocrisy. It seems that if you aren’t pretty, willing to shake something, talk about getting money from a man or sex you, it would be better for you to keep your rhymes to yourself.

    There are a few that break the mold and crossover, like Lauryn Hill (sad for her now, though) and people of her ilk but they sure aren’t the majority.

    Fatemeh: I think credibility shifts depending on which race you ask. In rap (as I’m sure you are aware) everything is racially segregated, people tend to back their own even if they aren’t the best. With women? Like I said above, if you aren’t appealing to men and speaking on things that appeal to them, they are probably not trying to hear it.

  10. Ali wrote:

    I’ve caught a couple episodes of this show and it’s definitely more interesting than I thought it would be. I agree with Cynthia and R-SON that the message seems to be that hip-hop is broader than the racial stereotypes that are usually flash across your screen. One thing that I have found interesting about the show is that there are two MCs who regularly kiss (I think it’s Miss Cheeba and Byata) and no one has seemed to make an issue of it. The show never plays up a romantic relationship between them so I assume that they’re just friends but none of the other characters seem to share that type of bond.

    On a slightly unrelated note I’ve really been struggling late with fully enjoying hip-hop. As a woman it’s just hard sometimes. I would LOVE to see a post on that at some point. How do you rationalize your love of a culture and music that at times refuses to recognize your humanity and continually respects you? I would also love to here input from female MCs and groups. Jean Grae is one of my faves and I’d love to here about her experience trying to make it as a woman in the industry/culture.

    I totally identify with Wendi on listening as an adult to some of the stuff I liked when I was younger and wondering if I was even listening to the words. Too Short is shameless. I can’t remember the name of it but BET aired a special which was supposed to highlight various “issues” in hip-hop music. These ranged from the use of inauthentic voice (ala Ja Rule) to embelishment (ala 50 Cent) to bragadoccio (ala damn near everyone). But they seriously spent less than 5 minutes on the misogyny section. They interview Too Short and all he had to say for himself is that his lyrics are not reflective of the way he lives his personal life. I was so pissed! I wasn’t really expecting an in depth analysis from BET but it was still disappointing none the less.

  11. G.D. wrote:

    To Cynthia:

    Salt & Pepa actually were very good rappers, and so were Eve, Boss,Bahamadia, Lil’ Kim, Foxy Brown (I have to admit, though, I’ve always had a problem with the fact that they leaned way to much on their sexuality for me, plus it tended to obscure the fact that they both were actually pretty good rappers themselves) MC Lyte, Roxanne Shante, Yo-Yo, MC Smooth, Ice Tea, Monie Love, Bytches With Problems–my point being that male rappers have never had a lock on talent—then and now–and frankly, I don’t think 50 Cent is all that great a rapper himself ,but as long as he’s rapping about bling and gangsterism, nobody seems to care. Some of these current male rappers seem to be making it only on the hype and not much else.

    Also, female rappers have been in the game from day one–the earliest known were The Funky Four Plus One More (featuring future singer/songwriter/producer Angie Stone ,then known as Angie B) and The Mercedes Ladies–each only putting out at least one album’s worth of singles—I could be wrong,though) . I feel like this: being male or female has nothing do with it—either you can rap or you can’t. (I forgot to mention Nikki D, Queen Pen and Lady of Rage, as well as Michie Mee, a Canadian rapper).

    I agree with you about how most female rappers–as well as singers–are forced by the music industry to make their sexuality their main selling point—that’s damn shame. Also, the number of influential femal rappers has definitely decreased in the last 5 or 6 years or s0—can anybody tellme why that is? It seems like there were a hell of a lot more female rappers back in the day—now I can barely bring one to mind.

    Sadly, I think that’s why a lot of female rappers are only heard inthe rap underground now—if one chooses not to put herself out there as a sex object in the media, she gets totally ignored, meaning hype is more and more prevailing over talent nowadays—Britney Spears is a classic example.

  12. Vik wrote:

    Rap music today is the soundtrack for the material world. Not many rappers are trying to make a statement, they ‘re just simply stating what they have. When hip hop started you had people who felt the need to say something. You still have that now but trouble is, you have to search really hard to find it. It’s no longer the upfront, in your face, get together and do something kind of music. You’d be lucky not to catch a video girl’s ass or tits in your face while you watch the video or the next best rapper throwing cash at the camera or instructions for the next big dance craze coming from a guy whose lyrics need to be translated before you can even get what in the hell he’s saying!

    What I think we’re looking at here is a change in values.

    It’s all about what you can get and how quick you can get it now. It’s about who can flash the shiniest object to get everyone’s attention. People on the underground are still fighters. They’re still people who have something to say and only those who listen close enough can hear them. Sure they’re not making millions doing it but they sure as hell stay true to their art. The masses don’t want to waste time thinking about lyrics and deciphering the meaning and getting it. Check out the state of the people around you.

    Thinking is overrated. The music reflects that.

    I’m a big Jean Grae fan like Ali is and if you ever want to hear a rapper hit hard or if you ever want to hear some real shit, give her a listen. Same thing goes for Invincible who is an emcee from Detroit. People don’t feel like they can relate to female emcees because they can’t see past the gender and think that anything that comes out of their mouths don’t apply. Great music is great music regardless of what the person is or what they look like. Give these people the credit they deserve!

    I just don’t know what is going on anymore…

  13. DivergentDana wrote:

    “It seems that if you aren’t pretty, willing to shake something, talk about getting money from a man or sex you, it would be better for you to keep your rhymes to yourself.”

    Description of the entire music industry, genres be damned.

  14. flabbyabby wrote:

    Amen Dana!! EVERY form of entertainment encourages women to use their looks to get ahead in fact OUR WHOLE AMERICAN SOCIETY DOES!! So why is it when black females do it there’s always a problem especially when it comes to women ’shaking their ass’ women have been using sexuality to get their way since Eve and Adam. Let’s not get all high and mighty about it now that also goes for you hypocrites whining about it used to be about ’something’ well who the hell died and made THAT rule?!! Is it set in stone rap can be about whatever the hell rappers want it to be about nobody is criticizing Hollywood or other music for not be about anything. If speaking out is so important to you then get off your duff and speak about something instead of whining what others AREN’T doing do it yourself. And the whole ‘White Rapper’ show was stupid,pointless, and insulting well god fucking FORBID there isn’t some form of music predominated by blacks where white people can’t come in and take over. And Eminem doesn’t count because he star is fading this show is ridiculous why not a show about the next great black country star or next great black rock band where are THOSE shows?!!

  15. Cynthia wrote:

    I think women in rap music have to base a lot of their screen time on their body and their blatant sexuality.

    I would say pop is the next one that is out there with the like of Britney Spears and all that.

    I hang out with fella’s a lot and I know about a good chunk of the underground female MC’s and I like them but they aren’t selling because they aren’t showing their ass. Most men don’t want to be “schooled” by a woman they want to picture you naked. If you talk to them and try to make them have some sense they probably equate you to their sister or mother and don’t want to give you the time a day.

    It’s the truth, what men want rules the fucking entertainment market and we let them.

    If you look at the plastic surgery revival, the eating disorders, women afraid to come out because of their career, it’s annoying.

    Any way, I know there are plenty of talented female MC’s out there but people don’t want to be enlightened anymore, they want good beats and scantily clad women grinding.

  16. Torontonian wrote:

    Boo, it won’t let me watch the videos because I’m not in the U.S.

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