BBC Two’s White Season: Is White Working Class Britain Becoming Invisible?

by Latoya Peterson

The BBC Two has unveiled a series of programming devoted to exploring the realities of being white and working class in Britain. White Season, as the lineup is called, seeks to tell the story of the white working class through documentaries, short films, and drama.

The introductory video to the series sets a confrontational tone. A white man is shown looking at the camera, staring straight ahead as people of varying tones and ethnicities scribble on his face with a black marker. In addition to writing characters of Asian and Arabic origins, the phrase “Britain is changing” is scrawled across his chin. Eventually, the man’s skin is covered in black and he closes his eyes, a question appears on the bottom of the screen: Is white working class Britain becoming invisible?

See for yourself - it is quite a striking visual:

Richard Klein, BBC’s Head Of Independent Commissioning For Knowledge, explains his views in the Daily Mail:

The voice of the white working-class is barely allowed to intrude into British politics or culture.

In metropolitan circles, where sneering at any minority ethnic group would be regarded as an outrage, this white working-class opinion is all too often treated with suspicion or contempt.

The word chav, for instance, is now often accepted as a way of marking the behaviour of the working class, even though any similarly abusive description of ethnic minorities would lead to police inquiries.

What is particularly bizarre about this approach is that, until recently, the white working class were seen as an integral and respected part of our national life.

Working-class heroes, like Michael Caine or George Best, were celebrated as national icons, their strong accents and easy self-confidence adored by the public.

Working-class life was realistically portrayed in novels, films and dramas. Working-class culture was the driving force in popular music, comedy and sport.

In politics as well, some might argue that the white working-class exerted an enormous influence, in a positive way through the expansion of welfare services to alleviate poverty and illhealth, and more negatively through the tribalism of the trade union movement that ultimately led to the disaster of the Winter of Discontent in 1979.

Yet there is something seriously wrong with a civic society which is reluctant to hear the views of a sizeable section of its population, especially one that has done so much for our country in the past and has felt the impact of social revolution perhaps more keenly than any other group.

That is why, as the BBC’s commissioner for documentaries, I was so determined to redress the balance by commissioning a new season of programmes looking at the attitudes of the white working class.

The very fact that such a move is treated as controversial is a measure of how far they have been marginalised. But I thought it was vital for the BBC to address their concerns, for two reasons.

First of all, the Corporation has a unique voice in Britain as the nation’s only public service broadcaster. We therefore have a duty to reflect the views of all sections of the public, and the BBC is the right place to have a debate about these issues.

After all, the white working class pay their licence fees like everybody else.

Second, I felt that ventilating their views produced fascinating material in itself, which deserved a wider audience.

Fascinating.

Indymedia UK calls rubbish on the whole series, saying:

But there is something far more sinister about the season as revealed the programme and the Newsnight discussion on Thursday 5 February. The voice that the BBC is giving the white working class is one that belongs to the British National Party.

The first programme looked at a working men’s club in Wisbey, Bradford. A majority of the white participants criticised black people for being abandoned by Labour, for feeling betrayed, living in Bradford, taking over the city with 15% of its population and for violence that they predict. One young person almost relished the idea of a future racial clash - he had a Union Jack with a swastika painted on it.

But giving a voice to BNP supporters and sympathisers as if they represented the white working class was not accidental. Currently, the Wisbey ward was represented by Labour. In 2004, Wisbey elected a BNP councillor. Workingmen’s clubs are renown for its racism, so the BBC producers would know that they would have racist members. They could then claim that these clubs represent white working class people - even though the club they looked at has been in decline.

It seems that the BBC’s White season has been taken over by elite social manipulators. They are pushing the media into inventing stories that supports Samuel Huntingdon’s a clash of Western civilization with Islam thesis. The phoney war on terror, the attack on multiculturalism, the attack on ‘political correctness’ are being used to drag race equality back, as far as possible, into the 1970s.

Strangely enough, even the white people White Season claims to speak for aren’t really pleased by the programming. Rob Liddle, writing for the conservative Spectator rails into the series as well. Considering this is a person who stated that multiculturalism is “[a] damaging and now rejected creed,” I was a little surprised to read that he believes the series is patronizing. He writes:

I hope you are enjoying ‘White Season’ on the BBC — a brave and groundbreaking attempt by the corporation to devote 0.003 per cent of its airtime to issues which bother 92 per cent of its licence payers. One of the senior commissioning monkeys at the BBC, Richard Klein, admitted that white people — some of whom he has met — have been underserved by the corporation, and especially ‘working-class’ white people. Mind you, it is surely difficult to serve such a hidden and secretive tranche of the population, especially when they live beneath stones and only venture out to get drunk and shout ‘darkie!’ at passers-by. But at least the BBC has tried to understand these awful people and shown them where they are going wrong.

[…]

It is hardly seeing the world from a white working-class perspective, is it? It is instead seeing the world from the perspective of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) — which is not to say that it is wrong, per se, merely that it would serve to annoy still further those white working-class people who feel the BBC could not give a toss one way or another about their grievances.

There was another film, too, about white working-class people in Barking and how, basically, it’s a generational thing — with the young whites mixing happily with young people of every colour of the rainbow and only the thick-as-mince, time-warped, older generation cleaving to either racist or embittered points of view about immigration. Is that an accurate reflection of how it is?

It seems to me that in both cases it is how the BBC fervently wishes it to be; it is the point of view of the educated, middle-class, metropolitan white liberal elite — the very people who, as it happened, foisted the damaging and now rejected creed of multiculturalism upon the rest of us. If the MCB had been handed the task of devising a series of programmes to highlight the problems of the white working classes in Britain, it would undoubtedly have shown a greater awareness and sensitivity than did the BBC.

From where I sit - in America, mind you - I would be absolutely fascinated to get my hands on a copy of White Season to review and dissect the messages. Especially since the idea of white invisibility and a marginalized white working class have emerged as dominant themes in our national election (and hence, in the realm of the national conversation). With the current political climate as it is, I would not be surprised to see our own White Season hit American airwaves sometime soon.

(Thanks to reader Yemisi Blake for sending this in!)

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  1. wendi muse wrote:

    i;m going to have to agree with indymedia on this one. the british govt and media often pit working class whites and poc immigrant groups against each other esp in terms of resource and job competition. one has to only look a few decades back to the thatcher era to see a ton of that and its dangerous consequences on the ground. i agree, being poor sucks, but that doesn’t necessarily remove their whiteness, which working class whites in the UK have managed to keep as a unification point when it comes to terrorizing communities of color.

  2. atlasien wrote:

    Argggh… it’s not just in America, then, that the “white working class” is a redundant phrase… because people of color don’t engage in REAL, blue-collar work. They’re either middle-class, elites, nonworking underclass or in the lowest-status service positions. Of course this is a completely false stereotype, but using “white working class” to keep class and race neatly separate just perpetuates the myth that whites are the bedrock of the nation, while people of color are the parasitical overlay.

    It’s especially irritating because others have shown it’s not that hard to center the white working class without stereotyping or ignoring working class people of color. I’m thinking of John Sayles “Matewan” which is an awesome labor movement classic. And then on the UK side, there’s the uncompromising Ken Loach, who alternates white-centered working class themes with people of color centered working class themes.

  3. Lady S wrote:

    I think that in the UK people expect the ‘white working class’ to explictly say what the rest of the people are thinking. It also ignores the fact that large numbers of non-white people are working class too.

    But, yeah, the white working class is marginalised in Britain and sometimes responds by kicking down.

  4. Keren wrote:

    I live in London and I caught one of these programmes, the one about Enoch Powell’s ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech and how the white w/c responded. It was very well done, actually.
    The class system in the UK is still very much entrenched, and I do think that the working class (of all ethnicities) are marginalised- especially with this new word ‘chav,’ which is so, so hurtful. No one ever points out how damaging it is, that’s the thing- people use it as a terrible insult without acknowledging that it is a slur against one downtrodden group of the population.

  5. Chairo wrote:

    I’m from the UK i’m working class and i am a POC.
    Living in the capital most of my life i’ve come to have friends from all over; people of different hues, classes etc. Some of my best friends are white working class people who naturally abhor all kinds of racism; be it overt, or subtle. I think that the multi-racial environment we found ourselves in during college and some intelligent and open-minded leaders in my class helped us look beyond skin-complexion and “race”. We all identified ourselves as londoners.
    Unfortunately this experience wasn’t reflected in other classes and sadly isn’t reflected enough in this “cosmopolitan” city let alone the country.

    It saddening to see such a blatantly divisive bit of propaganda by a channel we pay for. A lot of my fellow brits are pretty arrogant when speaking about america, acting as though we don’t have serious issues over here. Social mobility has pretty much stopped, very noticeable lines can be felt between differing communities, sexism is pretty much engrained into our society thanks to tabloids like The Sun see “page 3 models”. And no one is doing anything but pandering to conservative middle england.

  6. Feminist Punk! wrote:

    As a POC born in Britain, I’ve never understood why a lot of POC thought it was acceptable to mock and look down at working class white British people, and then THEY cry when working class white British people rail out against us.

    It’s ridiculous. Nobody should have any right to mock or look down at working class white people. I absolutely LOATHE the word, “chav,” and find it very insulting, hurtful and racist.

  7. stuffgirlslike wrote:

    Are there still working class people in Britain, all the manual labour is really done by the Polish and other immigrant groups.

    I feel sorry for the working classes but their problem stem from the class system and not race. The working classes need to adapt or die as a class.

    But it is just the the working class have associated themselves with football hooliganism and unpleasant fascists movements in the past.

  8. Anonymous wrote:

    “I think that the multi-racial environment we found ourselves in during college and some intelligent and open-minded leaders in my class helped us look beyond skin-complexion and “race”.

    Chairo says he is working-class yet he has been to college - so he must be working-class by choice. I have said elsewhere on this blog that conversations (but not always tenure or promotions) in academic circles are more open and uninhibited. Discussing and challenging both POC and notPOC about race or feminism is not verboten in ‘educated’ circles.

    “I would not be surprised to see our own White Season hit American airwaves sometime soon.”

    We do have our own White Season in the main stream - year round- try Fox . And there is no comparable outcry.

  9. Kali wrote:

    Did not mean to leave the Anon post above unsigned. Sorry.

  10. Feminist Punk! wrote:

    @ Kali:

    We do have our own White Season in the main stream - year round- try Fox . And there is no comparable outcry.

    Hah!!!! You’re totally right. This also goes for MTV, ABC, NBC, and even CW. I’m sick of the white-dominated reality shows that they’re always flooding us with.

  11. Lyonside wrote:

    Kali:
    >Chairo says he is working-class yet he has been to college - so he must be working-class by choice.

    True reality - not everyone who attends college graduates, and not everyone who graduates works in that profession. Take a major like history or creative writing or literature - it can be difficult to get a job outside academia and teaching if you do not go for advance study and have a lot of luck ans success uin the process. And that person could just as well work in a shop, or as a clerk, or take a job as as a machinist or plumber or driver or custodian or kitchen cook because it pays more than being a struggling writer and the person is a sucky teacher. I have 5 friends who were English majors in US colleges - 1 was an administrative assistant who found her way into editing, another has worked as a clerk for the city, state, and now federal government (tax, welfare, liquor control board offices, etc.) with stints as a low-paid admin assistant for a private real estate firm. Another taught for a year, hated it, and went back to school for a computer degree. Another worked as a manager for a hotel. And the list goes on… Hell, I know a chemistry major who works in a large chain shop because she found out she hates chemistry labs and doesn’t want to teach.

    I’m also not sure if the Btritish concept of “working class” connotes the same as in theUS. One of my frustrations with US labor discussions is the blue collar/white collar concept, where white collar is assumed to mean highly educated and non-manual labor and professional/highly paid, which isn’t always the case, and excludes a lot of jobs esp. in the service and commerce industry, while blue collar is assumed to involve low education/on the job training and physical skills, manual labor, and mid to low income, which again is not only not always the case, but really excludes a lot of jobs both on the high and low ends of the pay scale. Blue collar is sometimes used in the same sentence as working class, which I suspect really should mean low-income low-position, regardless of type of job.

    >I have said elsewhere on this blog that conversations (but not always tenure or promotions) in academic circles are more open and uninhibited.

    hunh. If you’re lucky. Or you end up in a room with middle to upper class people who are not paying their way through school one class at a time (but may be paying later through loans) who have never examined their privilege and are not more open or uninhibited. Depends on the school.

  12. macon d wrote:

    Ugh, I agree that it smacks of using race to divide-and-conquer. Why not discuss it in terms of English whites in general (though that would raise different problems)?

    Tim Wise discusses the American upper-class usage of race this way here (sorry, not advertising my blog, just pointing to his video clip, and the interesting comments it generated):

    http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/04/fail-to-realize-theyve-been-divided-and.html

  13. Kali wrote:

    Lyonside
    You said:”Or you end up in a room with middle to upper class people who are not paying their way through school one class at a time (but may be paying later through loans) who have never examined their privilege and are not more open or uninhibited. Depends on the school.”

    I was talking of British Academia in recent years when i was responding to Chairo.
    A college education does set you apart from the majority of working class people and provides you with more tools (privilege?) to keep afloat.

    It is well-researched conclusion that Academia and Health Care in this country are the two bastions of white male privilege and discrimination against women and minorities.

  14. laura wrote:

    So, in high school I was taught that the concept of ‘whiteness’ as a racial group was created by the early American gentry as a way of dividing the working class so that they could retain power. The thought being, if we give them something else to rail against, they’ll let us (and the system) be. I don’t know if thats true or not, but I’ll be damned if this doesn’t seem like a similar tactic.

  15. macon d wrote:

    Wow Laura, you had an awesome teacher! As I understand it, that’s exactly what happened in America, and it’s also why the whole idea of black and white got to be such a big deal in the first place–to make it black VERSUS white. It’s sad to see this happening in England too, though not surprising, given that’s where pre-American colonists came from.

  16. Davita Cuttita wrote:

    I had the pleasure of going to Birmingham, England twice in 2007 and I’m kind of grappling with the message behind this documentary.

    I live in Canada and have been to the U.S numerous times but no place was so welcoming as England. It seemed as though there was no racism there–especially between Whites and Blacks. I’d never seen so many interracial couples and children (my family falls into this bracket) not only in reality but on television! For the first time in my life I was approached frequently by White gentlemen who thought I was pretty and wanted to chat. It just seemed like mixing was the norm there. Statistically speaking, England has the world’s highest amount of interracial couples IN THE WORLD (just wikipedia it!).

    The opposition to it does exist but it was much harder to find than in American and Canadian society. FAR harder.

    Of course, saying there is no racism in a place is pretty far-fetched and naieve as in regards to racial issues, the Birmingham residents I spoke with or saw on TV mainly complained about “asylum seekers” and were quite distrusting and somewhat stimatizing them. I believe these people are the ones who are more marginalized and silenced than any other group.

    In England it seems there is one culture: English. There aren’t compartmentalizations to accentuate a culture and give it some kind of identity(i.e. Blacks talking in Ebonics, adapting their own style of dress, etc.) and everyone acts the same and is pretty much on the same page with most things (mannerisms, speech, etc).

  17. Chairo wrote:

    thanks lyonside

    Over here its sad but class is very palpable.
    @Kali
    To “Feminist punk” please for the love of god don’t try to label “chav” as some ethnic slur ethnic minorities coined and distributed. The deep issue with that word we don’t want to face is Class.
    Try going to an art university and observing how middle class white kids regard working class white kids. Its terrible.
    Watching them at uni felt like watching relatives cringing at uncles they’re expecting to get drunk and stagger around.
    05-07 the cool thing to do was create ironic “chav” myspace accounts, or mimic the way of talking . I remember freshers week; all the middle class white kids clustered up in a predictably tribal fashion. Casting sardonic looks at everyone else. A lot of them made no effort to communicate with the foreign students, and some just mocked them. Obviously this wasn’t ALL middle class whites, but there was a very noticeable difference that you could just see. I watched the white season thing, they completely dodged the observable fact that the working class foster the most interracial relationships of all kinds.

    About the class thing, I identify as working class not as some silly badge of honour, but because of the mammoth difference between myself and kids with professionals for parents who earn 40 grand and upward, live in chelsea, notting hill or ealing, and have gone around europe on family holidays perenially.

    White middle class comedians like Matt lucas David walliams, Catherine tate etc have been responsible for the nationwide repugnance towards Chavs not POC.

    feminist punk if you are from the UK I’m slightly confused/worried about the way your worded your post. POC over here are barely visible, and if we are we’ve been assimilated into ineffectual puppets for the bbc or C4 (see ainsley harriot).

  18. mr guy wrote:

    the whole thing sounds interesting but there’s two problems:

    #1
    They assume that working class non-white get their voices heard and all the sympathy while working class minorities and immigrants have it easy/steal their jobs.

    #2
    Many of the people who will support or believe the series will be nationalist, racist, or white people with an axe to grind against “the other”(non-white people). The kind of people they don’t need.

  19. June wrote:

    Interesting note. The song is “Jerusalem” (based on a poem by William Blake) sung by Billy Bragg, an English musician who blends elements of folk music, punk rock and protest songs. His lyrics mostly deal with political or romantic themes. I think there may be complex layers to this series.

  20. longest poster ever wrote:

    @laura and macon d — that’s not exactly/simply what happened, though early american gentry benefitted from proliferating racist ideologies. i highly reccomend george fredrickson’s “racism: a short history,” which clearly breaks down how prejudices and cultural preferences moved into racism, racist doctrines and regimes. i really appreciate how he specifies how he uses the words he chooses, and shows that the evolution from early christianity offering salvation from ‘otherness’ to the belief that there are inate and permanent inferior attributes of races, that something specific happens when these beliefs reside in the minds of powerholders that institutionalize them, and racism resides in a historical context slightly more complicated than ‘rich white people thought of putting black people down so they could be on top!/nuh uh, black people were slaves in africa from other slaves so its not white people’s faults!’ you know? there were some religious and bad-science precedents that made carving those divides more possible than tim wise’s talk includes (which i like a lot of, and which sounds based deeply in Zinn, which I am quite familiar with.)

    We do have our own White Season in the main stream - year round- try Fox . And there is no comparable outcry.

    of course, this isn’t really comparable. observing whiteness as a force and a factor in American life is important, but there’s a difference between pointing it out, and investigaing what it means and how it feels to be white — for better or for worse. it’s also not exactly fair to expect that white people be satisfied to deny themselves any cultural history or pride. god knows there’s enough to be embarrassed about (and for POC to be unsympathetic to), but ask a white person who identifies as unspecified European/Caucasian (or, charmingly, a ‘mutt’) to say what they love about their culture and they might just look at you blankly and say, ‘nothing.’

    i did this in a class on race and identity — the students divided by self-identified groups, as they liked (in a 130-person class, we ended up with 19 different identity groups) and then asked what they loved about being in that group, what they didn’t love, and what they wanted people to know about their group (or what they wanted to say to people who wondered about their ethnicity.) there were some ethnic white groups that identified (italians, irish) that could at least say ‘i like the food/i hate the stereotypes.’ the homogenized/whitewashed white students were at a loss. one said [paraphrased], “there’s nothing about being white that i love. i can’t say, ‘it’s great that i can get hired more easily because the people that will hire me someday are probably white too and they’ll feel more comfortable with me in the room.’ it benefits me, but i don’t love it. it embarrasses me. i hate that the group i am a part of oppresses other people.” this is a price that white people pay to racism, however trivial a price it may seem. this is also an observation from a group of college students — what are the differences in answers among varying economic classes or education levels? i wonder, and i wonder what the implications are of their answers…

    i’m still working out what to make of this. all of the things that i understand as markers of whiteness are markers of privelege, and it’s hard to take pride in that. there’s still some work to be done here, on how white people reconcile their cultural identity in a way that isn’t either to be oblivious of it or ashamed of it — neither are productive.

    this is sort of a long way off from the original post, and also way too long as a comment. sorry. there are bound to be a lot of failures and problems in documentaries and other explorations on what it means to be white and disadvantaged, and it sounds like this one is pretty imperfect. and it’s good we be skeptical! and it shouldn’t be allowed to be divisive. but i hope that staying open to honest looks at whiteness in it’s various forms stays a part of folks’ open-mindedness.

  21. macon d wrote:

    That’s a great experiment, LPE, with sadly predictable results with the white folks.

    I don’t know why it’s a problem that whites can’t find anything about whiteness to feel pride in. I mean, I can see how that makes them feel bad about a part of themselves, but to me, that just means they’re becoming more aware of a side of themselves, of their group, that’s been repressed for them BECAUSE it’s a bad thing. If becoming aware of it makes them feel bad, isn’t that good “bad” feeling? I think that CAN be productive, since it can inspire people to investigate what that bad feeling is about, as well as, eventually, do anti-racist work of some sort to counteract their privileges.

    The other thing that I think can be done is to help whites understand the costs to themselves of being white. Again, that makes being white a bad thing in itself, but realizing that one has been trained to be white, and that the training is abusive, is a good form of self-awareness. I don’t think that being encouraged to untrain oneself is unproductive, if a person is willing to undertake some of that work.

  22. Maggie wrote:

    I spent the Fall of 2005 working in the Welsh National Government and living in Cardiff (south Wales, near England). I remember this topic of the position of the white working class being an issue in the government/media then. One morning, there was a woman being interviewed on a news show (probably akin to a Fox and Friends type thing) who was saying that she thought that hoodies should be made illegal because they encouraged juvenile delinquency. She didn’t specifically mention that the issue was working class kids, but basically implied it with her choice of words. Her argument was that styles that were popular with “those bad kids” allowed them to hide their identities when they committed crimes and for that reason hooded sweatshirts should be banned. Really, lets outlaw sweatshirts because you’re afraid of teenagers. (I really wish I had the clip, because it was so crazy.)

    As Wales isn’t nearly as diverse as England, pretty much all of the Assembly (basically the Welsh parliament) where I worked was white. From a lot of my colleagues, I got the impression that they felt that the pain of “their people” was being overlooked to favor minorities and that a lot of PC initiatives were a waste of time and resources. As Wales still has huge unemployment problems (leftover from the closing of the coal mines) it seems like a lot of government officials across political parties would rather work to solve the problems of what they see as their” real constituency” than those of “foreigners”. Specifically, I remember there being a lot of resentment directed at the large Sudanese population in Cardiff that was not at all integrated with the city as a whole.

  23. Raabia wrote:

    The video makes me furious. If the white working class feels marginalized, it’s because they’re poor and not because the non-white population is out to erase them.

    And I love what atlasein said.

  24. Erica wrote:

    Davita: …Are you sure you went to England? Because a new poll says that English people think that immigration is the thing that’s affecting England the most (in a negative way).

    I’ve always wondered why it is the white countries that adopt diversity. Homogenous nations are the most successful. Just look at Japan.

  25. jmai wrote:

    Alongside the BBC ‘White season’ an opinion poll (commissioned by the programme that carried the season) was used as a central part of the coverage of the programme. I’ve read David Gillborn’s analysis of the survey results, which is pretty interesting. He states, ‘in this way the BBC publicised its own season by drawing on its own poll but presented the item as a news story – a news story that the BBC had, therefore, generated.’ The poll featured 1,012 White British adults, there were 451 people characterised as working class, and 561 classed as middle class.

    The highlights from the poll:
    How important are each of the following groups in defining the way you see yourself personally?
    Class
    Net Unimportant, working class said: 72%
    Net Unimportant, middle class said: 77%

    Ethnic background
    Net Unimportant, working class: 68%
    Net Unimportant, middle class said: 77%

    As far as I can tell, it seems as if this series is about immigration, a topic that isn’t new, and is mainly aimed at framing the discussion as: white working class vs. immigrants. So the question is as others have mentioned, if this programme represents the views of the working class, or just reflect middle class constructions of the working class. When it comes down to it, the richest and most politically powerful in Britain are white (and apparently not working class).

    The poll: http://populuslimited.com/uploads/download_pdf-020308-BBC-White-British-Poll.pdf

  26. Chairo wrote:

    @ longest poster ever

    I think the “can’t find anything to be proud of ” thing is a bit silly. W’e're pretty much ignoring the fact that “whiteness”/european culture, has been more globalized more than any other culture. Whites don’t need to cite things that make them “proud to be white” becasuse they’re encased in a world thats filled with images gloryfying their “Nordic beauty “, celebrating their literature(shakespeare, Tolstoy, Pullman), consuming their cinema (,Kubrick, Wes anderson, Richard Curtis)
    . I worked at a cinema a while back now, and standing behind the counter with other POC we would see previews of coming attraction looped over and over. It was really depressing to see the imagined/desired world cinema was presenting in those whitewashed romcoms (see notting hill) and then looking around at the workers and even the customers of colour going to see movie after movie after movie reinforcing these those images. I’m not saying these people shouldn’t view the movies, just that its sad that these directors and writers keep doing the same darn thing.
    We never actually face the worrying reality of the “ethnics won’t get people into cinemas seats” film producer issue. Is this an imagined truism or are the majority of whites actually that racist ? This is something society really needs to focus on in a big way.

    When i was in high school all I learned in history was white history; with POC featuring in relation to the aspirations of whites. Now I understand the importance of understanding the nation’s identity but coloured people feautured before the 1950’s
    and we casually forget this. A lot of ignorant people of my generation tend to think the first blacks in England were the west indians during the 20th century. A good book to read on the ironically titled “Bloody foreigners” by R. Winder.

    When POC celebrate their indigenous culture it stands out against the enormity of the white western hegemony, in countries like America and England, which is why i think its something that raises people’s curiosity and makes them forget we’re surrounded by easily citeable sources of white culture.

    Please don’t see this as an anti-white tirade I personally don’t like the idea of people having to focus on “where they come from” and what their ancestors achieved. I much prefer the idea of people acknowledging indigenous cultures all over. More often than not tribal loyalty starts up when you have a group of people who look alike all celebrating their “origins”. My colonial white ancestors aren’t that far off should I celebrate those origins?

  27. Lady S wrote:

    I’m with Erica, Davita, did you really go to England?

    Racism is really quite rife in many places. If it’s not crap being shouted to you it’s condescation from liberal types.

  28. longest poster ever wrote:

    i’m well aware of whiteness as the dominant culture in the united states, and the problem of the invisibility of it, when whiteness goes unnamed and called ‘normal’– that’s not what i was trying to get at. it’s something after that. maybe the issue is that there’s no value in any culture being proud of it’s heritage.

    Please don’t see this as an anti-white tirade I personally don’t like the idea of people having to focus on “where they come from” and what their ancestors achieved. I much prefer the idea of people acknowledging indigenous cultures all over. More often than not tribal loyalty starts up when you have a group of people who look alike all celebrating their “origins”. My colonial white ancestors aren’t that far off should I celebrate those origins?

    I don’t know why it’s a problem that whites can’t find anything about whiteness to feel pride in.

    that’s fine. that’s an option. but its an interesting thought, i suppose, because cultural pride doesn’t mean a culture strives to be dominant. i recognize that in the grand scheme of things, not having pride in where you come from (or knowing where you come from) might not be a huge price to pay, but it’s worth being aware of.

  29. Davita Cuttita wrote:

    Hi Erica and Lady S,

    YES, I went to England! It had castles and crumpets and Buckingham Palace and everything. Unless I was hallucinating working for six months to earn my own plane fare and was just tripping really, really, badly on the coffee I drank each night working overtime . Damn you, Second Cup!

    I never, ever said that racism wasn’t a problem; I was only sharing tidbits of my experience there.

    As a matter of fact, I did speak about how the people there tended to marginalize and destest “asylum seekers” which make up a very large portion of immigrants to the nation. My Aunt is biracial (I’m Black; mostly, LOL) and at one point moved me away from another Black gentlemen who’s English wasn’t as strong saying he was an asylum seeker and might “steal my purse”. Ironically enough, I also heard other Black people complaining about them. A lot of people complained about Indian people too but tensions between Blacks, Whites and Asians didn’t seem to exist. People didn’t stare when I went out with my family, nobody said anything we just walked around like everyone else. Despite the “mosaic” image of Canada, that would never happen here.

    I’m not sure exactly what you guys read, but I did say racism was a problem. I was in Birmingham, England which has a very high rate of interracial mixing and historically, a high percentage of Jamaicans (me!). I’m sure the atmosphere is different elsewhere, I won’t deny that, I’m not so optimistic.

    Hopefully, I’ve cleared up any misunderstandings my previous post has incurred but feel free to let me if you still misunderstand anything. I try really hard to write concisely but sometimes it doesn’t come out right!

  30. Davita Cuttita wrote:

    Oh! And when I said “tensions between Blacks, Indians and Asians didn’t seem to exist”, I actually meant to say that it didn’t seem to exist to the extent that it existed for “asylum seekers” (I think that’s just a fancy Brit-word for “refugees”) who, almost everyone I meant, Black or White, expressed some disdane for. Sorry for the double-post. Gotta work on my crazy-go-nuts English!

  31. doloresUK wrote:

    As a black women born in London UK. The BBC’s white season was seen by many in the black community as a slap in the face. BBC and other television channels in this country have a 360 days a year white season and no one complains about it!! As a license fee payer and member of the African-caribbean community we are never given the choice to have a our lives portay in a realistic and humanist way. Instead we are subjected to racist stereotyping which consists of the ‘knife’, ‘guns’ and ‘lack of father figures’ and immigration. One of the programmes I watched seens to play on the exists stereotypes of black/brown people invading a ‘ good and pleasant land’ and the often used mantra of ‘destroying our culture’. I feel that there a consist attack by the mainstream British white majority that we had ‘enough’ of multiculturalism and all the suppose problems it has caused and are now backlashing against.

  32. nemesissy wrote:

    A few notes from a language geek:

    The last legible piece of writing in the video is in Hebrew (alphabet, anyway- בריטניה, possibly? can’t make out anything between the first yod and the hey at the end), and the bit above his left eyebrow looks like Polish (’kocham’= ‘I love __’).

    Which rather complicates the idea of what ‘white working-class’ means here- it’s one thing to exclude Polish migrant workers and Anglo-Israelis from that definition (the former being very recently-arrived and therefore foreign, the latter being ambivalently accepted and marked as middle-class anyway), but it’s quite another to exclude the UK segment of the Polish diaspora, which is old enough to have plenty of settled members who would be defined as British by the Le Pen definition and isn’t historically marked as being particularly middle-class.
    And then there’s the use of Hebrew- leaving aside the hellacious stickiness of talking about race or ethnicity, let alone assumptions about either, in the context of Israeli society, there’s the question of whether Hebrew would simply code for ‘Israeli’ for any attentive viewers who noticed it, or if it would carry the broader idea of ‘Jewish’ as it would in the US- which would further complicate the possible ideological mess constituted by this definition.

    Additional note: ‘Jerusalem’ is based on a text by William Blake with music by C. Hubert H. Parry; it gets sung at those games with the ball with the notoriously rowdy fans, but the ‘dark Satanic Mills’ are another reason why Billy Bragg probably recorded it, and I find it funny (that is, creepy as hell) that the Jerusalem of the C of E can be mobilised for rhetorical/ideological purposes, however complicated (I’m giving the Beeb the benefit of the doubt), while erasing the actual temporal Jerusalem and marking Israeli-ness, Arabness, and possibly also Jewishness as foreign. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

  33. NancyP wrote:

    The Beeb chose Bradford for a reason - most Muslim city and most BNP city in the UK. Bradford is hardly representative.

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