links for 2008-04-23

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  1. Aaminah wrote:

    On the Mumia one, well, I didn’t read the comments because comments always piss me off. The article is terrible. Let’s see, he freely admits that he owns Mumia’s book but hasn’t bothered to read it. And profers the cop’s wife’s book as a balanced and factual account of what happened??? I mean, she is somehow more of a legal expert and wouldn’t be biased???

  2. macon d wrote:

    Jeez Carmen, thanks a lot, way too much good stuff to read again, way too little work done as a result. You’re too good for my own good.

    I agree with Aaminah, the Mumia piece sux.

  3. Aaron wrote:

    I feel that the 7 Things to never say to white colleagues article is full mostly of things that white people feel like are being said to them when their prejudices are called out, when really the discussion is more nuanced that that. I’m mixed, white and hispanic, of mestizo race, and in the grand scheme of things pretty priviledged. I never really know for sure, but I think most people initially assume I’m white, and happen to have dark features.

    Anyhow, my point is that like a lot of mixed people, I sometimes get an “inside” view to both worlds. And I don’t see a lot of people reacting to racist or prejudiced statements from white people with the assumption that that person knows it’s racist, and is just unappologetic. From my personal experience, for instance, people often ask “what are you” or offer some other awkward phrasing for the question “what is your racial and ethnic background?” And yeah, it’s annoying as hell. But I, and I do think most people, can appreciate that, yeah, it is difficult to find appropriate words for that. And it’s not each individual’s fault that our society basically just ignores the existence of mixed people. And that ties into another one of the 7 things, that all white people are personally responsible for racism. And again, I can’t think of anyone I know that holds that view. I’m sorry if it feels that way sometimes when racism is discussed, and maybe PoC and other minority groups could try harder to make it clear that we don’t feel that way. But I do think over-defensiveness and “racism fatigue” as discussed by Latoya are the bigger problems there. Sorry that for those who are privileged, it gets tiring hearing about and discussing racism, which can make one defensive, but for those who experience it as a normal part of every day life, well discussing it is not tiring. It’s tiring that it still needs to be discussed, because racism still exists.

    However, at the same time, I am very glad that the article points out that not all white people really feel part of the “in-crowd”. This is one of the biggest things I’ve learned from being mixed. To try not to see people in groups. Everyone has a bit of “otherness” in them. Everyone is mixed in some way. Everyone is left out sometimes. I try to keep this in mind when discussing racism. While there is a huge difference between being squarely in a minority group and being a “normal white person” with some baggage that everyone has, I think everyone can at least relate in some way to being in the minority.

  4. Stentor wrote:

    Re: 7 things never to say to white colleagues:

    If this article accurately represents the whiny, self-indulgent, willfully-misinterpreting, “but I’m a victim too!” mentality of white men involved in diversity programs, then maybe we *should* assume that white people can’t really be productively involved in diversity programs.

  5. Lauren wrote:

    the freakonomics guys make me mad anyway with their faulty analysis of culture and economics under a clever veneer. but the mumia article was so blatantly lame. it’s full of ad hominem attacks (oh those silly celebrities and college students!) and a big blind spot for his bias – he read faulkner’s book and not mumia’s? what a chump. seriously. of course, this is not surprising from someone who, in “Freakonomics” wrote off the prison abolishment movement with one scoffing sentence. He doesn’t seem to have much of a vocabulary on the political economy of racism and how it intersects with the criminal justice system.

  6. Ali wrote:

    I’m kind of getting pissed off at the Freakonomics guys. Between this article and that shady adoption article I’m mad that I paid money for their book. I haven’t read it yet and am still planning to but I will now take it with a huge grain of salt. It really annoys me how some academics, despite all of their progressiveness in their respective disciplines, take such an archaic approach to racial issues.

    Also re:7 things never to say to white colleagues, I don’t see how any white person who does actively identify as anti-racist could be effective in a diversity program. I don’t see how any person (of any “race/s”) could be effective in a diversity program if s/he does not actively identify as anti-racist. S/he could have great intentions and try to institute programs to address issues they’ve isolated but if they don’t have a basic understanding of how racism works and aren’t openly committed to ending (or even interrupting) the cycle I don’t see how that’s effective in the long run.

  7. Alston wrote:

    I couldn’t watch the Abortion Man clips. The whole idea is disgusting. The people that thought that this was a good idea to air should be reprimanded or fired.

  8. jvansteppes wrote:

    I’m a bit queasy from those 7 things not to say because they make erroneous assumptions about how white people are called on shit.
    Perhaps its useful because it displays how many white people twist comments. ‘All white people benefit from white privilege to some degree’ does not equal ‘all white people are intentionally racist’ but defensive folks always read it that way.