Long Form Links – 2008-04-20

by Latoya Peterson

BrownfemiPower – Final Post

(I want to pause here to note three things: 1. Do you realize how fucked up it is that for some reason it is “wrong” for a woman of color to want the same advantages that white women get for doing the same work? 2. Do you realize how much it sucks big fat hairy dog cock that I have written about media justice for two fucking years and there is STILL a whole group of assholes who claim to have been regular readers and can somehow manage to say with a straight face that I want to “own” ideas and/or steal ideas from others? and 3. Do you realize how much it sucks big fat hairy dog ASSHOLE that even when I do my best to state my anger WITH THE FULL RECOGNITION that what I am saying may hurt somebody and thus ACTIVELY work to PROTECT that person while still expressing my anger–I am STILL berated for being angry, mean, judgemental, too harsh–and furthermore–I should EXPECT the attacks that I get? Do you recognize the problems with telling a woman of color that she can not even show anger at *anonymous*?)

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I support and honor the several women of color who’ve posted that the answer is not to leave, but to fight harder, with lawyers if necessary. I support and honor those women because they are fighting, they refuse to back down, they are organizing, they are sharing their strategies of not backing down with other black women and women of color alike.

But for me—a person who believes in media justice–the point was never to say I own this fucking material—but to say we must build a movement because the only way I and my community will ever have peace is if there is a movement. Those women of color who say they will not back down because they own the material—they are building a movement, just in a way that is different than I what I am doing. It may be different, but it’s not directly conflicting with what I am doing. And if they choose to call themselves feminists–well, I have a mouth and eyes that I can use to find out what they mean.

“Feminists,” on the other hand, are not movement building, they are actively destroying women and blaming those women for the destruction. They are saying the point of feminism is “equality with men” without even thinking to acknowledge that “equality with women” is just as admirable of a goal and maybe even possibly the first step to achieving the goal of equality with men. They are saying, Just do it, just do it, JUST FUCKING DO IT.

And so I withdraw myself from this “movement”.

And I reject and rebel at the label “feminist.”

I reject and rebel at the label “feminist” because I reject and rebel against silence and erasure.

I purposefully and deliberately burn all bridges to all people/movements with the purposeful and deliberate awareness that I will build bridges again, but ONLY WITH a person/movement and only if those bridges require no body parts to build.

And I do so without rejecting the absolute necessity of a gendered analysis of media justice, violence against and within communities of color, etc. Because if you think I haven’t noticed the gendered dynamics written all over this fucking blow up, you’d be 100% wrong.

Feministe – Having the Answers

Too often, I have expected other women to have The Answers.

When feminists and women of color have criticized white feminists, I’ve expected Answers. I’ve wanted to ask, “So I get that you don’t like this, but what do you want to happen?” or “So what do you want me to do?” I’ve gotten frustrated when no one offered solutions beyond “recognize your own privilege” and “just stop being shitty.” I’ve read through comment threads where other certainly well-intentioned white people have asked things like, “I get that you want to abolish the prison system, but what do you want in its place?” and “Calling the police is an expression of privilege? So what should I do instead?”

I’m also not able to answer those questions, or a whole lot of other questions about what a truly equitable world would look like. I’m not able to find a solution to everything, even if I can identify a problem. But it never occurred to me that maybe the entire premise of the questions was unfair. It never occurred to me that asking them in the first place, and expecting an immediate answer, is problematic in its own right.


The Curvature – On Being an Ally

I am angry/upset about the accusations and vitriol directed at BFP, who took every single effort to keep this situation civil. I am angry/upset about what I perceive to be a purposeful denigration of her work. I am angry/upset about the allegations of jealousness. I am angry/upset about the comparison of WOC bloggers standing behind BFP to right-wing attack dogs, as though this was about bringing a certain person down by any means necessary, rather than a valid concern and justifiable anger — as though the criticism is coming from a place of privilege, rather than a demand to be heard in a community that would rather not hear it. I am angry/upset about the attempt to silence those with an honest grievance, because whether agreed with or not, it deserves to be heard. I’m angry/upset that the anger of those standing behind BFP has been misrepresented as hate and lies and therefore ignorable. I’m angry/upset that people who know their history, who are educated about racism within the feminist movement, who know better, seem to be making every effort to repeat all of the things we claim we’re past.

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I’m avoiding using her name because though I am talking about Amanda, I’m also talking about many others. I am angry/upset at these members of the feminist community for their similar remarks. Some of the comment threads have been vile. I am angry/upset at us, white feminists, for not properly addressing this. Yes, I am upset and angry with myself. Because I know that I can do better. I know that we can do better. We are supposed to be in this together, and as BFP said, we have been actively ignoring and rejecting the responsibility we have to others. When we do that, we are no longer behaving in a way that could be called feminist.

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Comments

  1. William wrote:

    What I see as the biggest problem with social justice is the lack of a definable goal. Yes – be aware of the oppression around; yes – stand up for equality; yes- stand up for all the people oppressed by the institutions in power; but what do we put in it’s place? Are we not actually working towards colorblindness?

    Until we can formulate an adequate substitute that recognizes and is capable of addressing the problems with today’s society while also steering clear of the chaos and oppression of past revolutionary movements – e.g. Russian Revolution, Chinese Cultural Revolution, French Revolution – we cannot stand up in unison and call what we do social justice.

  2. melanie wrote:

    Well, after taking a few hours (seemingly) to go through all of the links and get to the crux of the controversy, I think that this comment from Sickle (see? this is called attribution, i.e. giving credit where credit is due) on Feministe sums it up nicely.
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    # Sickle says:
    April 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm – Edit

    [...]

    To me, there are two errors here in this discussion.

    One is the assumption that BfP intended to hurt Amanda. She clearly didn’t. She wanted to point that Amanda Marcotte can get her newfound observation on feminisms and immigration for everyone to see on Alternet, while BfP, who has been in the trenches on this for years, toils along in obscurity. That was her point: that people won’t pay attention to ruminations on race until a white person starts talking about it.

    The Second error is the assumption that Amanda stole BfP’s work. You know what, I actually believe Amanda that she was unaware of BfP’s work here and relied on news articles and the two conferences for her article. I do believe that Amanda was ignorant of BfP’s work. But I use the word ignorant a little pejoratively here. Amanda’s ignorance is emblematic of what BfP was trying to say.

    I think Amanda’s accusers are all wrong. To BfP, the typical “feminist” (her “X”) isn’t paying attention to the issues WoC have flagged as important. She is unaware of their work, much of which has gone on anonymously for years, decades even. But when she some day “discovers” it on their own, and gets it published in the magazine or wherever, the kudos go to her; the recognition goes to her.

    It’s not about the money. It’s not about “Amanda’s career as a writer.” It’s about getting someone—especially the people who are ostensibly on your side—to start paying attention to you.

    And so Amanda has it wrong, too. She knows she’s late to this party. She should have known that others were doing it longer, and better, than she was. But she didn’t. She was ignorant of it. And that’s nothing to be proud of, either.

  3. sfsinger wrote:

    But Amanda was aware of BFP’s blog as she was an active reader. She also claimed to use other Latina women writers as sources of information in her rebuttals once she got hammered by people that she also did not credit. There was just no excusing what she did – but she is not the first and won’t be the last. She just got called on it by a number of people – and defended by people who given the chance would do the same thing or go back to ignoring those communities and issues [unless the say that highlighting them would be a means of boosting their career profile]. If I suddenly wrote about something specific to Bengali-Americans [choosing a culture I'm not readily familiar with as i.e.] and their community and had been actively reading other people’s blog and writings about it, tweaked it a bit with my perspective and got a book deal based on it but never mentioned that I had found out about it from those other writers in the first place wouldn’t they have a right to be pissed about it?

  4. J.W. wrote:

    As a longtime reader of and lurker in different blogs, I’ve been following the whole Marcotte issue for quite some time. In all the discussions I’ve read, I think one remark from Holly in the same feministe article cited by the above poster summed up the situation beautifully.:

    “…when white feminists undertake to write about the issues of women of color — such as immigration, which is clearly a massively race-infused issue — they should do so in solidarity with women of color.”

    With a few quick keystrokes, Marcotte easily could have cited sources that included WOC bloggers and activists who’ve influenced her, mentioned their names in the actual article, and/or engaged herself in discussions that bfp and other WOC were having on their blogs instead of writing a piece of her own that was merely derivative of the work WOC had been doing for far longer than she had.

    The WOC she could have referenced in the article are out there; she just didn’t do it. There are a couple reasons I can think of for why she neglected to do this.:

    1. Citing WOC sources about an issue that, you know, uniquely affects WOC simply slipped her mind. She didn’t think it important at the time. If this is the case, her actions were remarkably insensitive and irresponsible ones that contributed to the nasty history of white appropriation of POC’s ideas.

    2. She honestly wasn’t aware of WOC bloggers/activists who’d been passionate about this issue. If this is the case, the above criticisms of her behavior still hold; and she’s woefully uninformed on the issues about which she’s writing, to boot. By her own admission (though she won’t admit to BFP as a source, she did mention another WOC [Nina Perales?] as an inspiration on another blog), though, this isn’t the case. So, the only option I find probably is the first one; and that one seems far more disturbing to me.

    I’m sure that if there were, say, a male blogger who regularly read Marcotte’s work and wrote an article about a feminist issue she’s been actively involved in for a long time in which he thinks it unimportant to mention her or any other female activists/bloggers, she’d be miffed. …and rightfully so. The fact that Marcotte was unable to show WOC the same courtesy and selfishly turned the dialogue into a discussion about her professional reputation when she was called out on this is shameful. Y’know, I’m willing to bet that much of this kerfuffle could have been avoided if Marcotte simply (gasp!) admitted being at fault and apologized.

    Either way, the fault lies with her; and I’ve little patience for the Marcotte-sympathizers who construct straw man arguments claiming that WOC are arguing that Amanda’s actions neatly fit the legal definition of plagiarism or that their arguments are merely personal attacks against Amanda’s career. When I read remarks like theirs, I’m reminded of the way that far too many white people respond to being called out on their racism by egotistically turning the discussion into a whine-fest about how mean ol’ POC keep attacking their reputation by accusing them of things they didn’t do.

  5. wendi muse wrote:

    after having loosely followed this and the seal press/blackamazon situation since the WAM (women, action, & media) conference at the end of march, it’s beginning to remind me a bit of the “where are all the bloggers of color” fiasco almost a year ago. it’s as if people can’t see the forest for the trees. there are lots of bloggers of color, feminist bloggers of color at that, who write interesting, highly informative pieces, yet somehow, their work is either ignored, overlooked, used and not cited, and/or “unknown,” though usually for the sake of not looking hard enough.

  6. Anonymous wrote:

    I see the witch hunt continues! How many have been interrogated and burned at the stake? Time and time again issues and works addressed and done by PoC only get attention when there is a white face attached; even if it’s the face of a female that always blames the patriarchy.

    The question now is, has this situation created so much division that WoC are willing to separate from the feminist movement and go at it alone.

    Where does feminism go from hear, what will it take to mend the division?

  7. atlasien wrote:

    I have to say, I sympathize with everyone here. A lot of people did accuse Amanda Marcotte of direct plagiarism, which she didn’t do. She had a right to defend herself against that, which she obviously has not done to the satisfaction of many people. The plagiarism charge is connected to the issue of white appropriation and racism in publishing… it’s connected, but also separate. It’s also frustrating that BfP’s writings don’t receive wider dissemination. I was a regular reader of her blog, and hope it comes back eventually. Quite frankly, it’s hard for me to follow this controversy because I don’t have a feel for the level of connection among all these various things.

  8. bdsista wrote:

    Atlasien,
    You may not have a grasp on the rage that is felt by Bfp and other WOC bloggers because of how long the deep the behavior has occurred. Which may not be your experience or the experience in your community.

    Appropriation without credit and dismissal b/c you are “angy, loud, etc” does not just occur in the blogosphere, but is a reality in WOC’s lives. It is daily insults that add to our anger. To have this occur YET AGAIN and by our “sisters in the struggle” is a knife in the back. To follow this controversy is learn more about the history of racism and feminism. If you are not interested in doing that, then I why bother writing?

    I too hope BFP keeps writing. She is not alone!

  9. melanie wrote:

    The question now is, has this situation created so much division that WoC are willing to separate from the feminist movement and go at it alone.

    WoC have been willing to “go it alone” out of necessity since the beginning – going back to the early white suffragettes right on through to the second wave blind, deaf & dumb Gloria Steinems and Erica Jongs.

    MOST WW were never on our side. They were just the flip side of the coin to sexist black men in the black struggle.

  10. atlasien wrote:

    “If you are not interested in doing that, then why bother writing?”

    What?

    That sounds ridiculously polarized. Although I’m not super-involved in the feminist blogosphere, I actually am interested in following the controversy. I’m just not ready to draw conclusions about this specific case. Sketch them, maybe, but not in pen.

  11. atlasien wrote:

    On second thought, if you meant “why write this comment” (not why write in general) then I guess that’s a fair question.

    I don’t know. I feel for this issue and I’d like to be more articulate on it. And I usually don’t post comments here unless I have something more concrete to say, so I probably shouldn’t have said anything.