Dear America: A Few Things This Black Woman Would Like You to Know About Race

bu Guest Contributor Tami, originally published at What Tami Said


It is normal to be prejudiced.

…and in a country like America that was born and raised on the notion of white supremacy (See manifest destiny, slavery, Jim Crow, internment of Japanese citizens…), it is normal to be prejudiced against black people. So ingrained is the idea that white culture is right, or at least the benchmark for all other cultures, that even most black Americans devalue blackness (See “the doll test” as one example. See black hack comedians and their “black people are always late, broke, triflin’…” schtick as another.) So white America, modern prejudice is not all your fault.

Now that I have said that, now that I have absolved you of personal guilt, can we have the conversation about race that everyone keeps referring to? I mean a REAL conversation, not the one that has played out over the last month on talk radio and cable news and political blogs and Web sites, where black people attempt to shed some light on the ways race affects our daily lives and white people get defensive and angry and insist that race is no longer an issue.

Witness the reaction to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s recent statements about race.

“Black Americans were a founding population,” Rice said. “Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That’s not a very pretty reality of our founding.”

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times,
“descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that.”

“That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today,” she said. SOURCE

What to me seemed like a reasoned statement that acknowledges the reality of our country’s past and present, made Lou Dobbs clutch his pearls in horror.

    “There is no country on the face of the Earth as progressive, as racially and ethnically diverse as our own,” Dobbs wailed. “It’s something we should be proud of.” SOURCE

Why is the very mention of our country’s racist past and its lingering prejudices anathema to some? Why does discussing racism so often result in defensive bravado? It’s as if pointing out racial challenges negates the progress the country has made and condemns every member of the mainstream as an irredeemable racist. That is not the case.

If you are willing to listen, here are some other things that this black woman would like the mainstream to know about racism and the relationship between black and white Americans:

Racism and prejudice aren’t about white sheets and Jim Crow anymore. Black Americans know that. Only an idiot would claim that our nation has not made tremendous gains in racial equality.It is just that we know that racism and prejudice still exist, because we live with it every day. Unlike the naked racism faced by our grandparents and ancestors, the bias most of us face today is covert or institutionalized.

For those who listened to the Women’s History Month panel discussion, you may remember Shecodes, a black woman, sharing a story about a job interview with a Wall Street firm. The company was eager to recruit Shecodes after reviewing her resume and talking to her on the phone, but when she arrived for her interview, things changed. Shecodes waited nearly an hour before asking if the interview was going to happen. What followed was a discussion with a brusque interviewer who would not make eye contact and quickly dismissed her. Nearly every black professional I know can tell at least one story like this–a job interview where a potential employer is excited by stellar credentials and a race-neutral name and voice, but immediately turned off at the sight of a black candidate.

Now Shecodes eventually got a job on Wall Street and indeed ended up having the very office once occupied by her rude interviewer. Did she triumph? Yes! Is this occurrence as bad as being held in bondage or legally denied the vote? Maybe not. But it is still racism.

Modern racism is like a dull ache:

Being able to only rise so high in the company despite excellent credentials and performance …a dull ache.

Having your natural kinky hair stared at and pawed by strangers…a dull ache.

Being followed around department stores by security officers…a dull ache.

Worrying about young male loved ones often stopped by police for “driving while black”…a dull ache.

Seeing how quick Americans were to believe erroneous tales of raping and pillaging among Hurricane Katrina victims at the Superdome…a dull ache.

Watching missing young white women and children garner national coverage while black women and children are ignored…a dull ache.

Living in the Midwest and knowing that there are still some towns that you dare not visit alone…a dull ache.

Wondering if the poor service and stares you received at that great new restaurant were based on your race…a dull ache.

A dull ache is far better than what my ancestors suffered (At 38, I am just one generation removed from Jim Crow.). I have only rarely been the victim of overt racism, but a dull ache is still depressing and stressful in its persistence. And covert racism keeps the playing field imbalanced just as overt racism does. I should also mention that I am the educated, middle class child of an educated, middle class family. For many black people, caught in a cycle of poverty, racism is less a dull ache than chronic torment.

Black people don’t expect you to know about all of these things. How could you? How can Lou Dobbs, a wealthy, white man, unequivocally proclaim how “progressive” America is about race? How the hell would he know?

We just need you to admit that you don’t know. And then we need you to listen.

Anger at the system is not the same as anger at individual white people. Many black people are frustrated and angered by racial inequities inherent in “the system,” but that doesn’t mean that we are angry with you the individual. During the Women’s History Month broadcast, Shecodes clearly stated that her experience with the racist Wall Street interviewer did not make her dislike white people. Only that woman can bear the guilt for what she did. Most black people I know feel the same way. Most of us have white friends and neighbors. Some of us have white husbands and wives. Our anger isn’t about hatred; it is about a desire for equality.

Good people can be prejudiced. Where did everyone get the idea that prejudiced people were mustache-twirling, one-dimensional villains? The idea keeps everyday people from honestly evaluating their biases, because “only bad people are prejudiced.”

As I said in the first paragraph of this essay, white supremacy is ingrained in American culture and we are all affected by that. I don’t mean the “white power” sort of supremacy, just the idea that the dominant culture, which is white/European, is the benchmark. So, it is no surprise that blond hair and blue eyes are celebrated, that a black preacher’s fiery sermons would strike many Americans as odd, and that a black accent is perceived as less desirable than a white one.

The sin is not that we are biased in this way–and we are ALL biased. The sin is that we pretend that we aren’t biased and fail to address the inequities that our prejudice creates.

There is more I could add, like: There are no official black leaders so please stop thinking Al Sharpton is the black Messiah. But the points above are ones that have been swirling in my head as public discourse has more and more turned to the topic of race.

Look, all this black woman wants is equal access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. My experience tells me that despite great strides, we aren’t there yet. And we won’t get there as long as the majority of Americans think the job is already done. Unfortunately, recent conversations about race have led me to believe this is exactly what the majority of Americans think.

It is way past time to have a real conversation about race. But America, are you willing to listen as well as speak?

Agree with me? Disagree? Let me hear from you.

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  1. Eva wrote:

    I agree, the problem is that racism is like the elephant in the living room, no one wants to talk about it even though it’s crapping on the floor.

  2. Persia wrote:

    This is a really great post. I’ve often wished we have a different word than ‘racism’ to talk about, well, racism, because that word is so intwined with bigotry and no one wants to be a bigot. People get very defensive very quickly.

  3. lori wrote:

    Your “dull ache” phrase reminds me of some research I remember being reported a few years ago. I tried to find the research but had no luck, but here’s how I remember it: Researchers decided to test which was worse, in terms of long-term, negative stress reactions–having a a “small” but persistant-yet-unpredictable problem like a trick knee or getting something like a cancer diagnosis?

    The “trick knee” problem actually caused more stress, over the long term because it was unpredictable and affected daily life, often with no straightforward solution–and it doesn’t really rally loved ones to your side. A cancer diagnosis, even with uncertainty, usually created a rallying of family and friends around, usually had a clear path of treatment (however uncertain), and a time frame in which you will have some idea as to the effectiveness of the treatment. So that although it can be hard, there’s not the same kind of…dull ache associated with it.

    I think racism in the US today is most typically like that trick knee problem–it’s not that it’s excruciating, it’s that it’s persistent, unpredictable, hard to identify, and there’s no simple, clear course of treatment that has any certainty of producing discernible, immediate effects.

  4. china blue wrote:

    Great post.

    I really can’t add more to this than what’s been said.

  5. curlyscales wrote:

    Great post! So much in fact that I sent it to a few of my friends. Here is a sample of the discussion:

    AY wrote:
    interesting… but at the same time she’s not saying anything new… we all know that racism still exists besides some people who’s in denial… time to stop talking about how prevalent the racism is and start offering some solutions… To me the problem is more about class than race. You’re not going to find a lot of white people who would be prejudiced against Michael Jordan, Diddy or Barrack Obama because they either well to do and/or educated black people and they’re safe. White America is threatened by poor or lower middle class blacks which unfortunately still the majority of the minorities in this country. Due to the lack of economical and educational opportunities, the class distinction is what keeping racism afloat in this country. To me the key is putting money into education and school in those poor neighborhoods and get these kids before they stray away to the wrong path. As more black people start graduating high school, going to colleges and gaining positions of influence and financial stability and independence in this country, the racism will evaporate. But currently, for hundreds of Bill Gates in this country, there’s only 1 black person like Oprah or something who’s in position of power to make the change in this country. So in my opinion it’s narrowing the gap between the economical classes is what going to eradicate racism and not honest or real or any kind of talk.

    Curlyscales @AY
    I hear you but here is my question:

    Have you ever had the pleasure of visiting any one of the thousand of small-town USAs? The institution that she is referring to is very real. And I believe she is saying something new - as a whole, we have battled racism on an individual basis and ignored the system. Meaning that system is still in place - just more covert.

    Now, while I do believe that education and economics play a big part in combatting racism a bigger question is while the poor are making strides for betterment - how are those who are “full of class” improving themselves? It cannot always be one sided and the sole responsibility of only one group.

  6. queen of sheba wrote:

    YAY, oh, YAY. This is a superlative post for a couple of reasons: one, it makes it clear that unconscious prejudice–the most prevalent kind these days–isn’t necessarily a deliberate choice, but can be the result of a warped environment. Which the US, racially, today, is. This is I think the number one reason well-intentioned people don’t listen on this topic as much as they should–that discussions of racism come off as accusations–”YOU HATE [insert X]!” (whether or not this is intended). The second reason it’s marvellous–which is tied to the first–is that it continues Obama’s loving, even-handed approach to a horribly loaded and painful topic. Thank you!

  7. marge twain wrote:

    AMEN I have attempted to explain this to white people so many times. Thank you.

  8. Slade wrote:

    Thank you for writing this, and for doing it so well. I’m a white chick whose high school graduating class of 698 had less than a dozen black kids in it. I’ve been trying to unwarp my worldview ever since, because it is definitely warped. So on behalf of those of us who are trying, thank you for talking about race like a sane person and getting your experiences out there. We need a lot more of that.

    And I’d like to draw some attention to what I see as a related issue, which is the queer rights morass. We’re still a few decades behind the curve in terms of social acceptance and equality in state legislature, and when some minorities talk about how life still sucks sometimes despite the gains they’ve made, it makes it easier for other minorities to speak up too. If this is a democracy, we need some real discussion of the important issues that keep all Americans from living in the dream this country was created for, and you’re helping to do that.

  9. annie wrote:

    As others have said, this is a great post. Tami, you’re a skilled writer.

    I think the biggest thing white people can do is to LISTEN. We aren’t conditioned to do that; we grow up in a culture where white people are presidents, the talking heads on the news, etc. and so we grow up thinking we should be listened to. Simply deciding to hear and consider someone else’s experience is a big step for a lot of white people. And we have to be willing to hear uncomfortable things, things that will make us examine our own behavior in some difficult ways.

    I think there are a lot of well-meaning white people who nonetheless aren’t aware of institutionalized racism. For instance, I worked on a launch of a city/regional magazine a few years ago. We did a test run of the first issue, and my editor-in-chief asked me to look at it. Everyone was so proud and excited until I said, “Um, there’s only one black person in the issue.” (And he was in my section, because I insisted on featuring a diverse group of people.) My editor flipped through the pages, PANICKED, and realized the oversight. I don’t think anybody meant to exclude POC, but most people weren’t actively trying to INCLUDE people of color, either. Fortunately, he realized the mistake, we redid a few stories to feature a more diverse group of people, and we soon had a staff-wide seminar about making sure we created content by, for, and about the various communities and races in the city.

    I thought this was a good response to the problem and an excellent display of leadership. (Not only did he have some stories redone, he brought in a few diversity experts to talk with the whole staff.) But it also goes to show you that a lot of white people mean well but are unaware of how we can be unintentionally oppressive. And sometimes it’s just awareness that makes all the difference.

  10. Eva wrote:

    @annie: That is a great point you made. I remember in the movie “Something New” the black woman was telling her white boyfriend how bad her day had been, how she felt discriminated at work; he told her he didn’t want to talk about race that day and she got angry. Later he saw his mistake and told her that even though he didn’t KNOW from experience what she was feeling, he could be supportive by listening to her.

  11. Ms. Four wrote:

    Great post, Tami. Your repetition of “dull ache” is really powerful here. Very illustrative.

  12. Jade wrote:

    great post! I wish more whites would acknowledge that prejudices are normal to have…but that they can also be unlearned through being exposed to different cultures and peoples.

  13. David Wynn wrote:

    I wonder if the reflexive defensiveness and conversation-shut down isn’t partly tied to the increased partisanship we’ve seen rising over the last fifteen years or so? In an environment where commentators and listeners are seeking confirmation of their own views at the expense of demonizing others, isn’t it fairly unsurprising that a paradigm-shifting discussion on race is more difficult to discuss today than in previous generations?

    I find the conflicting nature of a call for change and dialogue and the preference for confirming viewpoints to be a fascinating one playing out in society today.

  14. Grandpa Dinosaur wrote:

    Look, all this black woman wants is equal access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. My experience tells me that despite great strides, we aren’t there yet. And we won’t get there as long as the majority of Americans think the job is already done. Unfortunately, recent conversations about race have led me to believe this is exactly what the majority of Americans think.

    You hit the nail with something larger with a hammer.

    Man, it makes me wonder sometimes if I’m crazy, but when I read articles like this it puts me back on the right track.

    Keep fighting the good fight! I know I will.

  15. berrybrowne wrote:

    i agree with you 100%. thanks so much for posting.

  16. evd wrote:

    Well said, sister. I especially agree with the Al Sharpton comments…how did he become the spokesman for all of black America?

  17. Yilun wrote:

    I think America is making progress and will continue to move in a positive direction. Demographically, the country is becoming more racially mixed, and with that a change in earning power that will drive a change in media/culture — although socially, we’re also responding by moving towards fragmentation and increased insularity. Educationally, immigrants have always been able to move up, and economically, employment has always been flexible compared to other countries. I don’t think I even want racial equality in the idealistic sense; the majority will always exert unproportional influence and government solutions to enforce otherwise would cause more harm than good. There will always be people better off than you and worse off than you. I do think “the message” has to be toned down if you want the majority of Americans to feel their viewpoint validated and want to engage in this dialogue.

  18. jvansteppes wrote:

    Who the hell is Lou Dobbs to say think he might have something to add to this discussion?!
    This reminds me of those polls about race and police brutality I keep reading that say ”89 percent of black americans think racism is alive in local policing whereas 76 percent of white people polled think it isn’t” Who are these white people who think we deserve to be polled on an issue or called on tv to commentate?

  19. Torontonian wrote:

    @annie:

    Were all the staff at your magazine company white or something? Is the actual city a lot more diverse than the staff?

  20. Eileen S. wrote:

    Amen!
    Brilliant article.
    It is so true- now that racism isn’t as overt anymore as white sheets and segregated buses- it has become more insidious and harder to nail. 50 years ago folks would straight up fight the good fight (sit-ins, etc.), but today we find ourselves trying to convince (white) people that racism exists. (which takes so much energy and time!). It means our strategies must be more complex and flexible, I think.
    As a white girl working to undue my own trained racism, I found a lot in this article that is not only helpful to me, but also in terms of broader anti-racist strategy.
    Thank you!
    P.S. Condi said that?!!

  21. macintyre wrote:

    Awesome essay. Right now, as a white professional woman, I see my primary responsibility as making sure that I mentor the younger generation of minorities in my field and opening my fellow white professionals’ eyes towards their responsibility to do the same. I feel that good mentoring is really the key ingredient to busting through the glass ceiling, and because of all the noxious background of racism, it’s where on an individual relationships level minority professionals get left behind because of fears and misconceptions and lack of comfort on both sides of the relationship.

    On a larger scale, I would really like to combat the horrible racism that always pops up on mainstream blog comments when the subject of affirmative action in my profession (law) comes up. It makes me ashamed for my profession, to say the least… but I don’t really know how to go about doing it. Any ideas?

  22. Ken Arromdee wrote:

    Now that I have said that, now that I have absolved you of personal guilt, can we have the conversation about race that everyone keeps referring to?

    Except I don’t buy this one bit.

    Saying “It’s normal to be prejudiced” is not absolving people of guilt, it’s attempting to spread the guilt to everyone.

  23. Elliemae wrote:

    I think this is an extremely well written, sensitive article that should provide the basis for an intelligent dialogue not only between whites and blacks but within the black community. I do believe that “we are the leaders we have been looking for,” and that it is up to each and every one of us to find a way to overcome and cope with the form of tribalism called racism, particularly as it affects our children.

  24. Lynn wrote:

    I agree completely…but as a white woman I am just getting tired of not only being tossed, dismissed, dissed, looked down upon, resented…all by white men walking around defensively ticked (women are to controlled and are to serve) and black folk that will laugh when reading this thinking “what the hell does she have to __________ about it”?
    You know that persistant dull ache you write about? I understand it. And I did not come from an upper middle class family. But as a single mother of one, I have gone back to college and am trying desperately to break a cycle for my daughter. Thankfully I am in last year. BUT! I have borrowed against my future (as many have) and not received a dime in scholarships. Why? I am an older white woman. There are NO grants or scholarships or help for you if you are white. I face cra* everyday from “well off whites” for being the single mother struggeling to survive thing, and lower income whites since I’m not doing the ghetto thing. When broaching the subject with a black, female college friend of mine, I got disbelief and nicely told since I was white, I had no right to be tired, angry, frustrated, etc. Hispanics have grants galore (especially here in Florida) and it is based only on the last name. (I don’t wish for others to lose theirs’, only the same considerations despite my race/gender).
    So do I understand? Wayyy more than is understood in return.
    (Now let the hatred of white women dialoug begin…since we know it’s coming).

  25. Angel H. wrote:

    I agree completely…but as a white woman I am just getting tired of not only being tossed, dismissed, dissed, looked down upon, resented…all by white men walking around defensively ticked (women are to controlled and are to serve) and black folk that will laugh when reading this thinking “what the hell does she have to __________ about it”?

    *sigh Dear God, not again…

    You know that persistant dull ache you write about? I understand it.

    No. You don’t. You may have experienced class prejudice, but you have never and will never know it’s like to be discriminated against as a Person of Color.

    I have borrowed against my future (as many have) and not received a dime in scholarships. Why? I am an older white woman. There are NO grants or scholarships or help for you if you are white. I face cra* everyday from “well off whites” for being the single mother struggeling to survive thing, and lower income whites since I’m not doing the ghetto thing.

    Warm up the violins.

    When broaching the subject with a black, female college friend of mine, I got disbelief and nicely told since I was white, I had no right to be tired, angry, frustrated, etc. Hispanics have grants galore (especially here in Florida) and it is based only on the last name. (I don’t wish for others to lose theirs’, only the same considerations despite my race/gender).

    Fine. It sucks to be you. But think for a minute how worse you would be off if you a black woman in your same situation.

    “If you woke up black tomorrow, you’d put a bullet in your head by the time the 6 o’clock news came on.”

    So do I understand? Wayyy more than is understood in return.

    O rly?:

    (Now let the hatred of white women dialoug begin…since we know it’s coming).

    Ever considered that the reason you are “tossed, dissed, looked down upon”, etc. is because of stuff like that last comment?

  26. Lynn wrote:

    Angie H: You just proved every single point I made…and then some!
    But you’re so caught up in you own self-perceived cra8, it’s okay for YOU to be prejudiced against a person of a different skin color because it’s “justified”
    …apparently it is not true that you have it so much tougher or you’d have used the bullet you so arrogantly described…
    BTW, have YOU ever considered why you felt compelled to quickly jump on the hate monger wagon instead of trying to understand another position? Yep, just what I thought, too busy scratching for the title of “I’ve got it rougher than you…”
    So frankly, I’ve grown to feel the same way towards you as you do towards me…”warm the violins…”

  27. Angel H. wrote:

    First of all, spell my name right.

    Secondly,

    But you’re so caught up in you own self-perceived cra8…

    Racism is not self-perceived; it’s a fact that all People of Color face on continuosly. Thank you ever so much for belittling my experiences as a black woman. [/sarcasm]

    it’s okay for YOU to be prejudiced against a person of a different skin color because it’s “justified”

    In what way did my post reflect any racial prejudice? Where did I claim that any prejudice against anybody for any reason was justified?

    I will admit, however, to one prejudice: will-full ignorance. And when I see it, I call people on it. Hence, the comments directed at you.

    …apparently it is not true that you have it so much tougher or you’d have used the bullet you so arrogantly described…

    If a person is born with one working leg, should they shot themselves because of the hardships. No, of course not. I happened to be born with a genetic predisposition towards an over-abundance of melanin. Everyday of my life, I’ve had to cope with my “condition”. Every day, I grew up seeing people who weren’t considered “other”, and who weren’t automatically considered less-than because of the color of their skin, and I’ve had to live with the knowledge that things would so much better if my ancestors weren’t what they were. So, what do I do? I pick myself up, dust myself off, and even though I ‘m learning everyday to be grateful for the life I’ve been given, I find myself still continuing to fight for the freedoms afforded me as a human being. What I don’t do, is go to a website (a disability website or an LGBT website, for example) and claim that I have rightful ownership of the anger I feel because I don’t get disability points on a job application for a government job, or that the LGBT rights campaign might receive more press that African-American rights campaign*. Instead, I visit those sites and, ever-mindful of my own able-bodied privilege and my own heterosexual privilege, I shut up, I listen, and I learn.

    I understand that I will never know what it’s like to be an LGBT person and have to confront family, friends, coworkers, and sometimes even total strangers with my identity. I understand that just because I spent a couple of days on a pair of cruthes when I was 9 years-old, does not give me the right to tell a disabled person, “Stop putting me down because I’m able-bodied! I know exactly how you feel.” Bullshit.

    You stated earlier that you understood the “persistant dull ache” Tami wrote about, but how could you?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Having your natural kinky hair stared at and pawed by strangers”?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Being followed around department stores by security officers”?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Worrying about young male loved ones often stopped by police for ‘driving while black’?”

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Seeing how quick Americans were to believe erroneous tales of raping and pillaging among Hurricane Katrina victims at the Superdome”?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Watching missing young white women and children garner national coverage while black women and children are ignored”?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Living in the Midwest and knowing that there are still some towns that you dare not visit alone”?

    How could you possibly understand what it’s like “Wondering if the poor service and stares you received at that great new restaurant were based on your race”?

    Bullshit.

    Yes, it sucks that people look down on you because you’re a single mother who had to claw her own way to the top. It’s sucks smelly, nasty donkey balls. But don’t you dare tell me that you have any fucking idea what it’s like to live the life of a Person of Color!

    One more thing: What makes you think I’ve never thought of “pulling that trigger”?

  28. Angel H. wrote:

    *Note: Please believe me when I say that I do not those feelings about the LGBT rights movement. I was merely trying to make a point. I apologize for any offense.

  29. Lynn wrote:

    Angel, first,I pray that you NEVER “pull the trigger”.
    Second, I have never, nor would I ever, say I understand your feelings of frusration from your point, how could I? What I meant to point out, is that I DO understand feelings of frustration from being pre-judged. Are mine the same? No. But IT DOES give me a level of understanding from which to start …
    Third, that is the point isn’t it? That ackowledgment of another’s struggle may go both ways? I personally did not grow up thinking any less of anyone due to color or culture but man, yes, I’ve seen it. I hated it and have always spoken against it and tried my best to live by example. But trust me, have I been treated less than by the mere fact of being a woman? By not having the right “background”? You betcha. Have I been distrusted or disliked on sight just because of the way I look? Yes. I’ve learned that I can do nothing but continue to live my life as best as I can and try like heck to overcome my own hurdles and be there for anyone else that needs it or asks for it. I also have days when I’m “over it”, but then what? When your very response was anger towards someone different that was trying (apparently very poorly) to express some level of empathy (and frustruation) due to own life, I realize that it is not possible. You see, the comment re: the dialoug about “white women” wasn’t written airily, it was typed with a knowing sadness through experience what I would “get”, and I surely “got”. Just as I am sure you have times when you know full well in advance–through experience, what you will “hear” as well.
    It’s disheartening to know that the common ground we DO share, is not enough. So now what?

  30. Angel H. wrote:

    Second, I have never, nor would I ever, say I understand your feelings of frusration from your point, how could I?

    But you did.
    You know that persistant dull ache you write about? I understand it.

    Not only did you say it, but you actually tried to equate what you experienced (lack of scholarships for white people, grants for Hispanics) to the institution of racism that permeates our society. Then you attempted to belittle the experiences of racism towards People of Color (”self-perceived cra8″), put words in my mouth (”it’s okay for YOU to be prejudiced against a person of a different skin color because it’s ‘justified’”), and belittle my own experiences as a Black woman (”apparently it is not true that you have it so much tougher or you’d have used the bullet you so arrogantly described”).

    To say that your responses and attempts at empathy were “very poor” is putting it lightly, at best.

    It’s disheartening to know that the common ground we DO share, is not enough. So now what?

    I read in a blog spot recently about how when discussions of racism occur between white people and POCs, one question that is always asked is “What are the answers to the problems of racism?” (To all: If anybody remembers where I can find this post, please let me know!)The answer is that nobody has the answers. The only thin I can suggest is that we should all learn to evaluate and check our own privileges, and learn from the lessons of the past so as not to repeat them.

    As to the specific question, “What should happen now so that we defeat racism?” I have no clue. If anybody knows, then please let me know.

    Mod Note - The entry was on Feministe, Angel.

  31. Lynn wrote:

    The persistent dull ache can be experienced by many. Since you insist on going back to that comment, I will respond SPECIFICALLY. A dull ache can be experienced by anyone at anytime. Some major examples:

    Please do NOT ever tell a parent who has lost her child to death, that she has no right to her persistent dull ache,
    Do NOT tell an individual that has been raped, they have no rights to the persistent dull ache,
    Do NOT tell someone who has been wrongly accused and crucified, they have no right to the persistent dull ache,
    Do NOT tell someone that is continually hated on sight by some, they have no right to that persistent dull ache,
    Do NOT tell a parent that sees their child/children go without they have no right to that persistent dull ache…

    I again state, as my previous posts above shows, I NEVER wrote I understood the dull ache of color, I said I understood the dull ache period.

    So you see Angel, I was never at any time with any intention taking away your right to that persistent dull ache, but to remind that it happens to others as well.
    YOU don’t have the right to deny them.

    As far as what very little is mentioned regarding my frustrations, you have no idea my life as I have no idea of yours.
    Racism is wrong, it exists and the fight is not over. Nor is SEXISM. It too persists and it is from that end I DO understand. That does not belittle you (your word), it says AS MUCH AS I’M ABLE, I understand.

    I DO KNOW, that the complete and utter bitter hatred by some reigns supreme, and no doubt for good reason. But WHY should I set myself up to be on the receiving end of what I abhor and do not cause?

    You have the responses confused (?) in your rush to justify your attacks. My attempt at communication through empathy was the first writing. My emotional response to YOUR attack is in the second. Note the difference. My attempt at a calm communication to stop the cycle, was the third post. No good. You still persisted in the rationalization of why it was okay to attack.
    You attacked Angel, you attacked and then justified why it was okay to do so. What makes you any different from others that do it?

    Mod Note: Lynn, I am going to interject here and reframe the issue. Sexism is pervasive in our society. This is true. But how would you feel if a man were to come on to a site for single moms talking about how hard is is to be a single dad, and moreover, how hard it is to be a man in this society? That is his truth and he has a right to it - but it is not the same, not by a long shot. We try to stay away from oppression Olympics on this site for this reason. As soon as you go “yes I understand your feelings, but this is what its like to be me” the conversation gets off track. It is not empathy if you insert your experiences over someone else’s. -LDP

  32. Angel H. wrote:

    Cosign re: the Mod Note. Also, thanks for the link!

    Lynn:

    I again state, as my previous posts above shows, I NEVER wrote I understood the dull ache of color, I said I understood the dull ache period.

    Then you began to list how you, as a single white woman, experienced “racism” because you weren’t able to get a scholarship because you were white and you couldn’t get a grant “based only on the last name” because you weren’t Hispanic. So, you tell me: What am I supposed to believe? Am I supposed to believe your first comment what you said then about being able to empathize because of the “racism” you experience because you’re white, or am I supposed to believe what you say now that what you really meant to say was that you empathize because of what you experience as a woman in a sexist society?

    If, in fact, you do want me to completely ignore what you stated previously, and only pay attention to what you’ve stated in your most recent comment, then I’ll concede (as I did in all of my previous posts): Yes, it sucks to be a woman in our sexist society. But, as Latoya pointed out, the issue that we are addressing here in this post is RACISM.

    You have the responses confused (?) in your rush to justify your attacks.

    How? In all of my responses, I have taken what you wrote, line by line and disected it, as I’m doing now. How did I get anything confused?

    My attempt at communication through empathy was the first writing.

    Question: How is anybody supposed be feel all warm and cozy after you wrote this?:

    (Now let the hatred of white women dialoug begin…since we know it’s coming).

    I can just feel the love. [/sarcasm]

    My attempt at a calm communication to stop the cycle, was the third post. No good.

    After your thrid post, I innumerated the specific reasons why your other posts pissed me off. Sowwy if I hurt your feewings, but I don’t see that as an attack.

    Honestly, I think you first came to this post in an (unconcious?) attempt to make this all about you. There is a very valuable lesson to be learned from anti-racism sites that has been repeated ad-nauseum:

    IT’S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!

    (And it sure isn’t all about me!)

    You come to this site, spill your woe-is-me’s about being a white woman who can’t take advantage of special initiatives targeted towards minorities. “Why are black people always so mean to me? I know all about racism! Check out my anti-racist card!”

    as a white woman I am just getting tired of not only being tossed, dismissed, dissed, looked down upon, resented…all by white men walking around defensively ticked (women are to controlled and are to serve) and black folk that will laugh when reading this thinking “what the hell does she have to __________ about it”?

    This same type of spiel has been repeated ad nauseum at this and every single anti-racist site in existence. Do you know how tiring that is?! Do you know how exhausting it is to see one racially ignorant person after another spout the same tired mess, and expect a pat on the head, their hands held, and a nice little walk through Racism 101?? That is what libraries are for! Yeesh!

    Since I’m fresh out of Rant (for now), I’ll just leave you with this:

    How Not To Be Insane When Accused of Racism (A Guide For White People)

  33. Anonymous wrote:

    Very Well Said!

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