Open Thread: Where Do We Go From Here?

by Latoya Peterson

Netizens of Racialicious,

As your new editrix, I’ve been thinking about some other things we could do with this blog. How can we pack Racialicious with even more ideas and more topics? After talking it over with Carmen and Wendi, we’ve got a few ideas:

1. More on intersectionality, specifically how it impacts people of color;
2. Smaller features like “Quoteable” where I throw some interesting tidbit out for discussion;
3. More on poverty, class, and race;
4. More guest posts – I love hearing other perspectives so I am currently scouring the internet for more guest bloggers that fit the Racialicious voice
5. Some other topics overdue for discussion: the concept of third culture, cultural appropriation, tension between groups of people of color

Also, glad to see so many of you agreed with the updates to the comments policy. Now I am wondering if you were all just suffering in silence. :-(

We’d also like to do more interviews with people who are working in the media but those things take a bit more time to develop than other posts, so those will probably start happening closer to the summer.

My preferred pastime is reading, so we should start seeing more about books and publishing. And I am a big geek, so expect more posts on comics, gaming, anime, manga and whatever else I run across that’s cool.

I want to open up the floor for suggestions, but I do need to make a one thing crystal clear:

This is a blog about the intersection of race and pop culture and it will stay that way.

So while we are happy to delve into race theory, gender theory, sociology, queer theory and anthropology (and find some experts to help with the interpretation), we are still going to devote a massive amount of time to dissecting images in fashion, television, and film.

So the question is: what do you want to see on Racialicious?

Floor is yours.

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  1. bastard.logic on 05 Apr 2008 at 9:54 am

    The Human Touch…

    by matttbastard
    When it comes to successful anti-racist activism, Carmen Van Kerckhove of Racialicious reminds us that facts and statistics aren’t enough to instill change; focusing on the human dimension is a more effective method of inspiration…

Comments

  1. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Points 2, 3, and 4 sound good. I’d have to see examples of 1 and 5 to be sure.

    You may be overcovering Asians and Arabs and undercovering Latinos and American Indians. As someone who runs a blog on the intersection of Native America and pop culture (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/newsrock.htm), I know you skip a lot of relevant stories.

    The pop-culture focus is fine, but I’d say you’ve overcovered such subjects as fashion, magazines, videos, and video games. And undercovered such subjects as books, comic books, sports, business, and politics. (If you think Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Donald Trump, Michael Bloomberg, and George W. Bush aren’t part of the popular culture, please think again.)

    Considering how influential they are, you’ve probably undercovered movies and TV shows too. Millions of people see these things, which make them more important than an obscure magazine or video game.

  2. dnA wrote:

    Racialicious Alert!!!!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/03/realitytv.television?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

  3. meownette wrote:

    You’ve already mentioned it, but here is an enthusiastic vote for book coverage, especially books that pertain to issues of race, gender, queer identity, etc.

  4. Wendi Muse wrote:

    i agree with rob on the latino and indigenous cvg. i tried my best with my few posts on latino issues and i know laura contributes a lot as well from mi blog es tu blog, but i agree, we need more of that! :-)

    also, i would like to hear more from men and queer-identified folks.

    this is an awesome post, btw. i think it’s a good foot to start out on! :-)

  5. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Rob –

    This thread is intended to provide suggestions – it is not a vote.

    And in case you were unaware, there are a whopping three regular contributors who are on this blog, none of whom write for a living, all of whom have day jobs.

    So while we’d love to cover everything relating to race & pop culture, we are not a newspaper/magazine with a staff of 60 – 500.

    In terms of “And undercovered such subjects as books, comic books, sports, business, and politics” -

    Books, I explain a little more below.

    Comic books I link to discussions of, as does Carmen. I started reading more niche/mainstream comic blogs recently so we;re covering things as we become aware of them. On sports, I think Carmen had a contributor who did talk about race and sports. The other person who talks about race and sports is TAN.

    Business is generally covered on Race in the Workplace, one of Carmen’s other blogs.

    Politics is also tricky and it is not our scope and focus. We intentionally limited our Obama coverage; and, with the primaries being what they are, we decided to leave political reporting to the blogs that cover that topic.

    Re: Books

    Rob & Meownette – We will cover more books, but that tends to get kind of dicey. (1) We don’t want to be beholden to PR people to go and plug their stuff. (2) The book publishing industry is huge and what we all individually read varies widely. (3) Due to a high level of complaints when we write about something we *haven’t* read, we actually have to find the time to read these books.

    Or we could just link to the book reviews.

    I am thinking more about covering trends in lit, trends in books, and books specifically about race – but that may be a “recommended reading” kind of thing, the same way we put together book lists for the sporadic “Lit Love” feature.

    And that doesn’t even get into fiction books, which I would love to cover, but doesn’t happen.

    The best case scenario would be to find other bloggers who write about books (critical analysis – not just a review) and cross-post, but aside from the occassional carnival or blog I run across, pickings are slim.

    Any suggestions around those problems?

    dnA –

    Thanks for the link.

  6. Jasmine wrote:

    Suggestions!

    http://theassimilatednegro.blogspot.com/ — TAN covers a number of topics, among them race and sports, so he might be someone to check out.

    http://www.angryasianman.com/angry.html — should already be familiar to Racialicious readers. I’ve noticed coverage of books and graphic novels, notably “American Born Chinese” by Gene Yang.

    http://www.bookslut.com — Haven’t checked this out in a while, but another resource for book-related posts?

  7. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Thanks Jasmine!

    I am subscribed to TAN’s feed so I will ask him about race and sports – but he writes that for AOL, so I don’t know if he has liberty to cross post. I’ll check.

    Angry Asian Man we have, but I think we’ve been slacking on asking him to cross-post. Will note, as his RSS doesn’t work on my reader.

    Bookslut – I forgot about that site! I’ll go check out what they have to say.

  8. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    Great ideas so far! You guys have been doing a wonderful job of providing us with interesting things to discuss – pop culture is exceedingly broad and pervasive in our society and it’s impossible to cover everything but you consistently deliver – I almost feel greedy asking for more.

    I was really pleased with Elton and David’s recaps/analysis of Heroes and I think more features like that for other popular tv shows, films and novels would be great.

    As a side note, I wonder if anyone on staff has done any analysis on the IR romance novel niche – I think it’s a topic ripe for discussion.

  9. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    EvilAngelFish –

    (Btw, thanks for the love on the Clutch feature!)

    1. Noted – we need to draft more TV show volunteers. Or volunteers, period.

    2. IR romance novels is an interesting topic – I I think I read something on it in Bitch a while back. I can tap the Black Romance Reader blog because I know she frequents boards that discuss this topic. Anyone else have any ideas where to go?

  10. Jasmine wrote:

    EvilAngelFish — a while ago I contributed a few tv recaps to Racialicious, though soon fell off the wagon, so to speak.

    If Latoya and Carmen wouldn’t mind, I’d throw my hat into the ring for tv recaps. I write for Recapist.com — I can check the crosspost policy, though I’m pretty sure I might be prohibited.

    Currently, I’m covering The Hills, 30 Rock, Aliens in America, and Everybody Hates Chris. Which is but a small fraction of the hours of television I do watch.

    Um, okay, I’ll stop with the plugging now!

  11. marge twain wrote:

    I enjoy the specific focus of this blog on race issues in pop culture. There are so many other places to read politics, anyway so keep up the great work,Latoya:)
    Here’s what I would like to see: I don’t have working audio on my old computer and so all the videos are useless to me. It would be very helpful to have a transcript or at least a short synposis so I don’t miss out so often. There are many people who are deaf or have various levels of hearing impairment and this would benefit them also.

  12. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    Another thing that might help to broaden the spectrum of what is covered on this site is more open threads (perhaps a weekly one?) or, if possible, a forum. There’s something I saw on a reality show I saw last night that I want to discuss so badly and would love the perspective of people on this site but it’s not really big enough for a full post. It’d be cool to have a place here where readers could contribute little things.

  13. Persia wrote:

    I am thinking more about covering trends in lit, trends in books, and books specifically about race – but that may be a “recommended reading” kind of thing, the same way we put together book lists for the sporadic “Lit Love” feature.

    I think trend-watching is a great thing, especially in books, which tend to get trends just as things solidify in pop culture (if that makes sense). I’d love more coverage of Latino and NA issues, as you can.

    I have a suggestion if you decided to aggregate book reviews too– oyceter.livejournal.com is a great reviewer and very smart about racial and gender issues.

  14. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Marge –

    Excellent point. I was actually just planning a music video heavy post, so I’ll will make sure to provide some kind of explanation/summary.

  15. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Persia –

    Noted on the trend watching and books and with the Latino, NA issues. Latino issues I have been looking for so you should see more of those coming soon.

    With NAs, I would really love a post explaining the difference between First Nations and Native Americans and some first person posts. There was a good post on either Salon or Slate a while back, which I *think* we linked to, but I will look for more. Problem – again – is that it kind of has to fit the voice of our site, and a lot of the information I have been finding reads like an academic paper with no abstract.

    I’ve seen oyceter around on the carnivals, I like his/her style. I’m not a member of LJ though, so I sometimes have issues navigating it. However, I think it’s about time for me to join…

    Hmm – A weekly open thread could work. If there is a situation you want us to discuss, please post a quick email to us and I’d be happy to open up a thread for it. Forums I am not sure about – I am not too good with the tech side of things, so I’ll ask Carmen on that.

  16. Cynthia wrote:

    What about a post about education issues of American (or Canadian, British, Australian, New Zealand) who come from non-English speaking households? I read an article about a kid in Canada who was born in the Vancouver area, but was still in an ESL program in Grade 2. There are so many kids like him in larger cities!

  17. deesha wrote:

    “I am thinking more about covering trends in lit, trends in books, and books specifically about race – but that may be a “recommended reading” kind of thing, the same way we put together book lists for the sporadic “Lit Love” feature.”

    Latoya, I have a piece in an upcoming issue of “Bitch” that covers why black women tend not to write mommy memoirs. I’ll keep you posted on that.

    As for bloggers who do relevant book reviews, there’s Naysue over at Black Girl Lost…in a Book. Sometimes she reviews, sometimes she analyzes.

    http://naysue.wordpress.com/

    This is a great brainstorming session!

  18. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    Hey y’all–

    Here’s my two cents on a rainy Friday:

    1) What about an ongoing analysis on race and advertising –not just the really egregious examples, but, say, a survey of which products and services are getting pitched to which groups (like an ad I saw while watching “Everybody Hates Chris.” It was for an awful-looking, gas-guzzling SVU, and the voice-over announcer was carrying on about the *rims.* This seems so against the tinier “green car” trend I’ve seen on other shows I watch.)

    2) For the “Heroes” recappers, how about a “When Mohinder and/or Hiro Gets Some Watch” with your posts? No chaste pecking, but some hair-mussing, shirt-tearing, get-up-with-a-sheet-in-front-of-private-parts sex? Extra points if Mohinder gets up naked, goes to the fridge, and we get full back-side shot.

    3) I may be stepping into something, but what about race and erotica, i.e. fan fiction, blogs, and, yeah, books. Who’s doing what? Are the portrayals challenging racial assumptions? How?

    OK. Back to proofreading…

  19. Mikhaela Reid wrote:

    Congratulations Latoya, I’m sure you’re going to be an awesome editor! I loved your panel at WAM last weekend. As a cartoonist and booklover I’m also very excited to hear that you’ll be covering more geeky things like books and comics.

  20. EvilAngelfish wrote:

    Ooh, how about an interview with Joe Doughrity, the writer/producer of the short film Akira’s Hip Hop Shop? I know there were some clips up a while ago, but he’s a media person and it might be interesting to get his perspective. Also, the film (or at least the clips I’ve seen) touches on tensions between groups of people of color, cultural appropriation AND there’s an asian guy unapologetically getting some…

    ::goes back to twiddling thumbs at work:::

  21. Mikhaela Reid wrote:

    P.S. I’d never even heard of the IR romance novel as a whole niche. I took an Afro-American studies class in college that was specifically on black-white interracial literature, but it was more old historical stuff (like the ancient epic poem Parzival, old plays like the Octaroon, colonial paintings depicting myriad racial classifications, etc.)

  22. The Cruel Secretary wrote:

    Fellas File: there’s Rob Fields, who runs a Brooklyn-based Black-rock (don’t start, y’all!:-)) series and MySpace page called Bold As Live as well as a blog called Bold as Love. He’s a big advocate of advancing this cause.

    http://www.boldaslove.us

  23. Ms. Four wrote:

    Latoya, I am especially pleased to hear you’ll be covering more on poverty, class, and race. Racialicious may draw readers of many colors and races, but I’m going to guess most of us come from similar classes. There is often privilege here, even as people struggle with racism.

    I’m also very interested to read more on “the concept of third culture, cultural appropriation, tension between groups of people of color.”

    My family moved to Egypt last summer, and we’ve been dealing with Egyptian racism towards my Ethiopian sons specifically and sub-Saharan Africans more generally. I recently learned that the commonly used Egyptian-Arabic slur for black people is “abd,” which means “slave.”

    So-called brownism is a topic that doesn’t get written about enough, I think.

    Thanks.

  24. Ms. Four wrote:

    By the way, are you interested in international perspectives? Check out http://www.sandmonkey.org/ .

  25. McJumpguez wrote:

    I agree with more coverage on Latinos and Native Americans, I search for that whenever I’m on the site.
    I’m definitely happy that the books are coming back. I myself have a blog about reading books. I review them then give them my social commentary mainly based on ethnicity or gender. I have no one else to talk to about this stuff, so I just send it out into cyberspace, kind of like a diary. That was always my favorite part of English class, read and discuss, but now I have no one to “discuss” with, so kudos on bringing that back.

    I also like the TV recaps, especially Heroes (can’t wait till it comes back! Sept 1st!)

    If you are looking for book readers/writers. I volunteer my time if you’re interested. You got my email.

    I started reading this website when it was mixedmediawatch.com and I just have to say, I’m so glad it’s still around and the viewer ship is up. Keep up the good work!

  26. deb wrote:

    I like EvilAngelfish’s “forum” suggestion too, but, I understand your reservations, Latoya.

    I also like the idea of covering more books, but now I see how “dicey” that could get.

    How ’bout links to relevant podcasts? I absolutely LOVE Dave Zirin’s new, weekly Edge of Sports podcast (it’s “where sports and politics collide”). Race comes up quite frequently during his discussions.

  27. Ms. Four wrote:

    Links to relevant/interesting podcasts would be great! I like deb’s suggestion.

    Kinda OT: since there are so many avid readers here, you all might be interested in the Africa Reading Challenge:
    http://tukopamoja.wordpress.com/africa-reading-challenge/

    Here’s my post on my reading:
    http://egypt4.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/reading-my-way-through-africa/

  28. Winn wrote:

    I’d love to see more posts on intersectionality, third culture, and the expatriate experience for POC. The latter two are particularly of concern as I will be moving overseas w/ my SO later this year and will be confronting these experiences head on. I’ve visited sites like Black Women in Europe, but some are difficult to navigate and experiences are sometimes more anecdoctal and less analytical than I would expect on racialicious. Oh, and while being well aware of the difficulties of discussing books, count me as another one who would love to see more coverage of literature, publishing, and the experiences of POC in the publishing industry. I enjoy reading Angry Black Woman’s blog for many reasons, not least because of her discussion of characters, writers and representations of POC in the sci-fi and fantasy genres. Occasional posts from guest contributors or reviewers would be a good way to capture at least some of these kinds of discussions. With grad school nearly at an end, I’ll volunteer myself as a reader/reviewer as well!

  29. Shannon wrote:

    I think all those are fine ideas. I personally would love to see more guest posts, mostly because I am lazy with the google these days.

  30. Lisa S. wrote:

    I read every post but rarely comment. I love all of the ideas being thrown out. Especially books, movies and tv show reviews. I would like to see more of a focus on what we can DO to help change the things we are discussing.

  31. Torontonian wrote:

    I think the politics stuff on Racialicious is already enough, especially since it is already overcovering American politics. However, don’t eliminate or reduce it; I think how it is now is well-balanced.

    I strongly agree that you should add more accessibility. It would be really useful to have transcripts of the podcasts and videos in general. Not only would it be more accessible to people, but it also results in search engine optimization of your content.

    I would like to see more intersectionality as well. Aboriginal Canadians and Native American issues need more coverage.

  32. Aaron wrote:

    I always like the links posts, but sometimes I feel that some of the links should have their own post. Would you consider making posts about just one link when you know it will likely generate a lot of comments? That way that link can get the full attention it deserves, and all the others won’t have discussion on them drowned out by one link that dominates the rest on that day.

    I’d also like to see more on Latin@ and Native American issues.

    And I’m absolutely all for more on intersectionality.

  33. nadia wrote:

    latoya–

    first nations people are in “canada” and native american people are in “the united states.”

    ya’ll probably already know that i would never accuse racialicious of over-covering arab issues, especially because fatemah is covering muslim issues specifically, not arab issues (not sure if everyone here is aware of or has attempted to make themselves aware of the difference–trying to think of ideas to address this but got nothing ).

    i’d love to see more about indigenous media. have you checked out SNAG magazine?

  34. nadia wrote:

    actually i’m really confused by why rob thinks ya’ll over cover arab issues …. ???

  35. Angela wrote:

    Here’s another enthusiastic vote for book coverage.

  36. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Jasmine – Feel free to come back. Drop me an email.

    Cynthia –

    we can cover early education issues, but those will probably be wrapped in with poverty – unless you are talking about ESL or bilingual education, which we should look into covering more.

    deesha –

    Thanks for the tips. I’ll look for you in Bitch and check out the blog.

    TCS –

    Noted.

    Mikhaela –

    Glad you came! Feel free to recommend stuff for me to check out.

    Ms. Four –

    Thanks for the info and I will check out the link.

    Winn –

    I am really going to try to make our focus more global, so I will check into expat blogs/communities and get back to you. And yes, drop me an email if you want to contribute.

    Lisa S –

    My notes on Fostering Activism series was intended to do that, but the first entry didn’t get much response, so I am evaluating the approach.

    Torontonian –

    Gotcha. Now, if you had a suggestion for where to go for info on race in Canada…

    Aaron –

    Ok, I get that point. We are experimenting with shorter items so I’ll try some of that next week.

    Nadia –

    Thanks for the clarification. We could cover more Arab issues actually…I’ll do some poking around to see what I can find. I haven’t seen SNAG magazine but I’ll make it my business to check it out.

    And you’ll have to ask Rob for clarification.

  37. Yilun wrote:

    I’d like to see Racialicious t-shirts up for sale. Really, it’s about expanding the circle and what better way for a race-culture blog to do it than having hotties wearing the brand across their chests. I’m having a hard enough time getting an Obama tee…

    [Mod Note: I am assuming you are talking about male and female hotties, right? And not just hotties, but anyone down for the cause? Hmm...Carmen, what do you think? I still have my ATR tee from back in the day... - LDP]

  38. The Voice of Reason wrote:

    You had me at comic books! A real discussion about HipHop culture’s commidfication at the hands of giant multi-media conglomerates would also be nice. I’m amazed at how many people are willing to come out and make blanket statements about a culture they know so little about.

  39. Macon D wrote:

    Wow, lots of good suggestions for an a blog that’s already so good.

    I’d would also suggest more coverage of the raced experience of white people. It’s not that I think they’re left out, but rather that I think whites don’t realize enough that their own race IS significant in their lives, that it does matter for them in so many ways.

    I’m starting to compile some of those ways on my own new blog. I’d be happy to guest-host on this one! Speaking of books, I could write about the many books dealing with the whiteness of white folks.

    Macon D

    http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/

  40. Macon D wrote:

    Sorry for the typos–I’m a good writer–really!

  41. Wendi Muse wrote:

    oh and maybe sunday post(s)?
    and more international stuff, even international contributors
    racialicious en espanol? jk…though it would be cool to have some of these pieces translated or have translations of blog posts in other languages…
    hmmm

  42. Torontonian wrote:

    It would also be great to have topics about “cultural appropriation” between different ethnic groups. Many/most second-generation Asians (East Asians, South Asians, Southeast Asians) in the West “appropriate” black culture, and there are some elements of black culture that “appropriate” Asian culture.

    Personally, I am not offended by “cultural appropriation” as much as other people, as I know that culture is not static, and has never been static. Chinese people use rice cookers, but they are a Japanese invention. Many aspects of Japanese culture originate from Chinese culture. Chinese people use Arabic numerals and call them “Arabic” numerals, but Arabs had “appropriated” them from India. The usage of orange blossom water is part of Middle Eastern culture, but the orange originated in China.

    Of course, when it’s done in a racist way that dehumanizes people (e.g. sports mascots), then there are problems.

  43. Cynthia C wrote:

    On the mascot topic: Why not compare “native” mascots to, say, Notre Dame’s “Fighting Irish”? People say that the Fighting Irish are okay, because many of the first students at Notre Dame were of Irish descent and they’re just makin fun of themselves while schools with Native mascots don’t generally have lots of students of Native descent.

  44. Wendi Muse wrote:

    torontonian,
    there is a piece by latoya about appropriation of japanese pop culture called “rise of the culture vultures” which can be found here: http://www.racialicious.com/2007/04/06/rise-of-the-culture-vultures/

    that might be a good place to start!

  45. Torontonian wrote:

    @Wendi:

    Thanks. I remember that post, but I was thinking more along the lines of Wu-Tang Clan, Dru Hill, and Foxy Brown titling her sophomore album “Chyna Doll”.

    /oldness

    Now there’s Kanye West, etc.

  46. Wendi Muse wrote:

    cynthia,

    rob has discussed this topic in several pieces on the use of indigenous americans as mascots in the past, so those are worth checking out. also, just bear in mind, indigenous communities still face considerable economic and social challenges, not to mention boldface discrimination in many parts (ok, um all!) of the americas. i think that puts it into perspective a little more.

    rob, i suggest you take it over from here… lol

  47. owbert wrote:

    how about discussions of gender? i am aware of the name and web url of the website, but it would be a (good) change of pace from time to time?

    p/s.: how does one go about becoming a contributing writer for the site?

  48. Wanderinglady wrote:

    I’d like to see coverage of persons and groups who are addressing racial issues in pop culture. For example, many people (especially in the Los Angeles area) are familiar with the NAACP Hollywood chapter’s work to get more persons of color in front of and behind the TV and movie cameras. I’m sure there are others who are doing similar things, and would appreciate the exposure.

  49. Orville wrote:

    I think this should talk more about the intersection of sexuality, race, and culture.

  50. deb wrote:

    Hey, Macon D. Would the “D” happen to stand for “Detornay”? ;)

  51. Torontonian wrote:

    Oh, you need to fix this. Whenever I try to post a comment, I get a page that says I am posting comments too quickly and need to slow down, even if I haven’t posted for a day or a few days. I have to press back and keep resubmitting (rapidly, against its advice) until I succeed.

  52. Torontonian wrote:

    @Latoya Peterson:

    Torontonian -

    Gotcha. Now, if you had a suggestion for where to go for info on race in Canada…

    That’s a good question. I think there are many stealth Canadians hidden amongst American sites.

    As for “info on race in Canada”, I created a blog about Canadian People of Colour and visible minorities to try to centralize this information, but right now it’s mostly news links. I’ll be filtering the Canadian news for the ones on race and racism, and you can filter through those to see what you like.

    sinoangle @ resist racism is probably Canadian, and I think I’ve seen some Canadian vibes on sites like sepia mutiny. I’ll try to do more research on this.