Robert Downey Jr. wears blackface to mock white actors who wear blackface?

by Carmen Van Kerckhove

Fatemeh and reader Nae tipped us off to this upcoming Ben Stiller comedy, in which Robert Downey Jr. appears in blackface.

But wait - his character is a white actor who dons blackface to play a role that was originally written for a black man. So… is this a way of skewering the Angelina Jolie’s of the world?

Here’s a piece from Entertainment Weekly:

If you don’t recognize that African-American actor standing between Jack Black and Ben Stiller, there’s a good reason: He’s white. In Tropic Thunder, an epic action comedy co-written and directed by Stiller, Robert Downey Jr. plays Kirk Lazarus, a very serious Oscar-winning actor cast in the most expensive Vietnam War film ever. Problem is, Lazarus’s character, Sgt. Osiris, was originally written as black. So Lazarus decides to dye his skin and play Osiris, um, authentically. Funny? Sure. Dangerous? That’s an understatement. ”If it’s done right, it could be the type of role you called Peter Sellers to do 35 years ago,” Downey says. ”If you don’t do it right, we’re going to hell.”

…For starters, Hollywood satires have a rocky box office record. And then there’s that little issue of a white guy playing a black guy. Stiller says that he and Downey always stayed focused on the fact that they were skewering insufferable actors, not African-Americans. ”I was trying to push it as far as you can within reality,” Stiller explains. ”I had no idea how people would respond to it.” He recently screened a rough cut of the film and it scored high with African-Americans. He was relieved at the reaction. ”It seems people really embrace it,” he says.

Paramount is hoping so: The studio plans to debut the trailer online March 17, and Downey is all over it. (In one scene, he tries to bond with a real African-American castmate by quoting the theme song from The Jeffersons.) Downey, meanwhile, is confident he never crossed the line. ”At the end of the day, it’s always about how well you commit to the character,” he says. ”I dove in with both feet. If I didn’t feel it was morally sound, or that it would be easily misinterpreted that I’m just C. Thomas Howell in [Soul Man], I would’ve stayed home.”

Huh. Funny that Downey would invoke Peter Sellers.

Okay, the idea of mocking white actors who put on blackface in this day and age seems like a good one, if this whole movie is satirizing Hollywood. But dude, it’s a Ben Stiller movie. As much as I enjoy catching cable reruns of Zoolander (”one look??”), I can’t see this movie doing anything but bungling the race issue.

What do you all think?

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Comments

  1. Simone wrote:

    Aren’t there enough Black actors in Hollywood, on Broadway, heck even walking around on the street, that could have played this role? I mean really, it is demeaning, insulting, and just plain poor manners, to have this drug addict portraying a black man at a time that is so important in our country’s history. You wonder why black people won’t just “get over it”, here’s a prime example.

  2. Cynthia wrote:

    Simone, the movie is about a white guy who wears blackface. If they were to hire a black actor, then they’d need to hire another guy to play the white guy.

  3. Aaminah wrote:

    I suppose I’m willing to allow that RDJ and Ben have good intentions… but the reality is that the satire will be lost on most people who watch the film. Like you, Carmen, I find Zoolander amusing. When there’s nothing better on TV and I need a break from intellectual stimulation. The fact is that his comedic stylings are, for the most part, playing to a crowd that don’t tend to care alot of nuance or subtlety. So for most people who are likely to watch this movie and think it’s great, they aren’t going to be thinking about the deeper implications of what actor Kirk Lazarus is doing, they aren’t likely to think of this film as taking pot shots at actors who really do that sort of thing. They are just gonna be laughing at the crazy white guy-pretending-to-be-a-black-guy and thinking it’s cool. I mean, I like to think I’m fairly intelligent. But if I hadn’t read what you’ve posted or seen any interviews where this was discussed by RDJ and Ben, I probably would have left the theatre offended and disgusted (well, okay, I wouldn’t pay money to see this anyway but that’s just me), and not realized that they were trying to make a statement at all!

  4. miss girl wrote:

    is bringing up robert downey jr.’s relationship with drugs relevant at all?

  5. Nadra wrote:

    If done well, I wholly support RDJ and this film. Despite his drug problems, which I agree have no relevance here, he is a great actor, who seems to be somewhat politically conscious. Actors such as Angelina Jolie do need to be taken to task. For those who say this message will be lost on the audience, I say that those who don’t get it might not even realize that it’s RDJ in blackface in the first place. Moreover, we don’t choose to make art so that it can be accessible to the masses. If the film makes a valid critique but is lost on the average Joe, so what? How many people out there don’t understand the points Toni Morrison makes in Beloved or the Bluest Eye or Mark Twain makes in Huck Finn or Pudd’nhead Wilson? Do we say, then, let’s not bother teaching these books because kids won’t get it? The scary thing is that some school ditricts have, in fact, taken this route.

  6. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    I am intrigued, because it’s Ben Stiller’s film.

    Stiller was in this play by Neil LaBute called This is How it Goes. I hated that fucking play (for reasons I’ll outline in another post) but I wondered why Ben Stiller would choose to play the lead role of an unnamed, racist narrator.

    Now keep in mind, this play did not intend to celebrate racism - Stiller’s character narrates and starts out as the good guy, but reveals later in the play that he has been lying and embellshing events that happened to make the black character appear more evil. It’s very uncomfortable for the audience, because the play is designed to make them feel empathy for someone who turns out to be quite loathsome. But it is more interesting that Stiller wanted to play this role.

    I wonder what he is trying to communicate about race in society. Stiller is taking on race in a way that many white actors would shy away from - for what reason, I wonder? I am not sure I’ll make it to the theatre for this one, but it will get a netflix…

  7. Masheka Wood wrote:

    I have to admit, Hollywood blackface has improved since the days of ‘Soul Man’. If I saw that photo without knowing the character was played by a white actor, I would have just assumed he was black.

    From what I read about ‘Tropic Thunder’, RDJ’s character is a parody of extreme Method acting. However, that bit about quoting the Jeffersons’ theme song to bond with an African-American sounds iffy. And dated. And not that funny.

  8. Dan wrote:

    Simone wrote:

    Aren’t there enough Black actors in Hollywood, on Broadway, heck even walking around on the street, that could have played this role?

    Seriously, I would’ve cast Shawn or Marlon Wayans and totally blown minds. A black actor portraying a white chick http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381707/ playing a black man.

  9. summer wrote:

    disclaimer: big Ben Stiller fan

    I am interested in seeing this, and I’m not too nervous. I am optimistic that he’ll do a good job. I am certain that there’ll be people who don’t get it, though, so he’s definitely taking a risk.

    Hi Masheka, you wrote:
    However, that bit about quoting the Jeffersons’ theme song to bond with an African-American sounds iffy. And dated. And not that funny.

    I bet that’s the point. This doofus that RDjr is portraying is likely so out of touch that he thinks that quoting the theme song would be a way to bond. We are supposed to roll our eyes at him.

  10. summer wrote:

    fyi, I base my above logic on the article’s quote:

    “Stiller says that he and Downey always stayed focused on the fact that they were skewering insufferable actors, not African-Americans

  11. Aaminah wrote:

    “If the film makes a valid critique but is lost on the average Joe, so what?”

    Nadra, that is fine, IF the film were targetted towards a different audience. Because the film (as all Ben Stiller films are) is targetted towards the amusement of the average Joe, it’s a bit difficult to believe it is intended to be the critique that the average Joe isn’t going to “get”.

    You’re right, alot of people don’t understand intelligent art. And to a degree that is the point: that those who “get” it are the ones we want to “get” it. I think it is critical to teach the types of literature you mention in schools because it helps to prepare our youth to be intelligent cultural consumers. Plus school curriculums have a woeful dearth of PoC contributions, and if you want to get kids reading it’d help if any of it seemed remotely relevent to them, if sometimes they could read a novel that they related to, but that’s a whole post right there… :)

    The problem I have with this type of film is that it is going to be marketed to the average joe as a funny film. It’s not likely to be marketed hard to those who would “get” the so-called statement being made. And alot of us intelligent people, will not assume there is any statement being made that should warrant us spending our hard-earned money to go see it. If only the ignorant masses watch it to begin with, and it plays to their usual crass humor, how is it making a high-minded moral statement anyway?

    Of course, I could be totally wrong… it’s not like Ben Stiller or RDJ are just jackasses (they do, as you mentioned, happen to be committed to various causes and also just seem like pretty nice guys in general) so maybe the film will be marketed differently… maybe it won’t rely on the getting-old-quick humor that Ben usually relies on… maybe this is the beginning of some high-quality mature filmmaking on Ben’s part (I happen to think RDJ is a fantastic actor who has already proven he can do high-quality mature filmmaking)…

    So, Nadra, I suggest that you ask Carmen to post your review of the film after it comes out. :) If you say it’s really good, I might eat my assumptions. :)

  12. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    Ben Stiller’s White suburban multiplex fanbase will totally NOT see this as racial satire (cause that requires, among other things, that one see racism as FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG).

    On the contrary, this film will only reinforce their own already existing racism - and actually make it more acceptable by coating it with the armor of “humor” (remember, to many racist Whites, racism is already OK if it’s a “joke”, and it’s wrong for anybody - especially a Black person - to be offended by racist ‘humor’).

  13. black canseco wrote:

    Disclaimer: Ben Stiller= family/industry connects + white hipster narcissism as humor > talent.

    With that said, I always find it funny when whites are in the position to do more than satirize an injustice, they tend to go for the self-congratulatory option of satire.

    The more powerful statement would be for Ben Stiller–one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood to simply green-light flicks with more diverse casts and storylines.

    Not as ego-driven as toe-dipping in the white face/laughing at how biased ‘those white’ people are”, but it’d go further to solving the actual problem.

    I’m no fan of Sandra Bullock for example, but she fought to get George Lopez’s show on ABC as opposed to simply being a smartass pretending to not notice the problem beyond easy punchlines and easy praise for her.

  14. Aaminah wrote:

    Thank you Gregory & BC - you said what I was trying to say but you said it so much better.

    Hey, I like Sandra. :)

  15. Audrey wrote:

    @ Cynthia: Roger Guenver Smith could have pulled it off but I don’t know if he would ever do a film like that

  16. LaSmartOne wrote:

    Yes, they are just making excuses to actually do blackface. And a Hollywood movie “lampooning” Hollywood, and “satirizing” modern-day blackface with, well, blackface… All I can do is roll my eyes, It’s a Hollywood movie, nuff said. If Hollywood was serious about racial equality, they’d fund more black filmmakers.

  17. Nadra wrote:

    Aaminah and Gregory, you make some good points, especially about racial humor. As for reviewing the film, I don’t know if I’ll even see it, but I’m hopeful that it will be well-done and will address the issue of white actors co-opting roles suited for blacks, Latinos and Asians in a thought-provoking manner. Maybe I am being too optimistic, but this film could lead to some positive dialogue. RDJ was in the wonderfully subversive film “A Scanner Darkly,” and I’m hoping this movie is equally as subversive.

  18. Steve wrote:

    Did you guys that Jack Black is also made up to be an Albino, so technically he’s wearing black face too.

  19. bertie wrote:

    I’ll give Ben the benefit of the doubt here and watch the movie . Normally I would agree that having a character quote the Jefferson’s to bond with another black man is kinda lame as jokes go–until I saw a recent clip of Mitt Romney yelling “who let the dogs out” to bond with some black kids (most of whom weren’t born when that song was hot). In light of this, I now think that the jeffersons joke is spot on.

  20. Jay Smooth wrote:

    I don’t have much faith in Ben Stiller’s ability to navigate race, but Robert Downey’s dad directed Putney Swope so that’s gotta count for something, right? :)

    Will wait to see the film before I judge.

  21. dan wrote:

    Steve,
    LOL, actually there is albinism in all races. So technically he’s just playing whiter face.

  22. squidfly wrote:

    I do believe that Al Jolson was the Ben Stiller of his day.
    I was actually waiting for this one, I didn’t know which of these three would be first.
    Those crazy Negrophiles are going to show everyone how Black is really dun!

  23. dan wrote:

    On the contrary, this film will only reinforce their own already existing racism - and actually make it more acceptable by coating it with the armor of “humor” (remember, to many racist Whites, racism is already OK if it’s a “joke”, and it’s wrong for anybody - especially a Black person - to be offended by racist ‘humor’).

    Gregory,
    What are your thoughts on Def Comedy Jam? Do you think its OK for Blacks to joke about Whites? Or is this also another form of racism?

  24. MoeHailstone wrote:

    Fuck Ben Stiller, Robert Downey Jr. and their movie! Its just another way of not hiring the many black actors around them that are in Hollywood which is more disgusting when you know of at least 5 that could play a “Carlton” role if that was what was called for. If you think its just “this movie” count the number of blacks in any Ben Stiller movie!!! If you come up with more than 3 combined I’d be shocked. If you feel a certain way just be it…call it “Niggafree” and be done with it! And for those that think they’re safe dont worry a remake of Charlie Chan is right around the corner…

    Burn Hollywood Burn!!!!!!

  25. squidfly wrote:

    dan wrote:Gregory,
    What are your thoughts on Def Comedy Jam? Do you think its OK for Blacks to joke about Whites? Or is this also another form of racism?

    C’mon Dan, that’s such an old reactionary tactic. We all know that white folks love it when Black comedians make fun of them, they feel like they’re finally part of the family.

  26. dan wrote:

    “C’mon Dan, that’s such an old reactionary tactic. We all know that white folks love it when Black comedians make fun of them, they feel like they’re finally part of the family”.
    Squidfly,
    So this isn’t a reverse example of what Gregory said???…
    (remember, to many racist [Blacks], racism is already OK if it’s a “joke”, and it’s wrong for anybody - especially a [White] person - to be offended by racist ‘humor’).

    Sounds like a double standard to me.

  27. dan wrote:

    If you think its just “this movie” count the number of blacks in any Ben Stiller movie!!! If you come up with more than 3 combined I’d be shocked.

    Sit down Moe, you’re about to be shocked. Here’s three just in the controversial up-coming movie.

    Brandon T. Jackson
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1040365/

    Yvette Nicole Brown
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1304328/

    Nadine Ellis
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0255001/

    Then going back just a few years…

    Bill Cobbs - Night at the Museum
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167850/

    Chris Rock - Madagascar
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001674/

    Cedric The Entertainer - Madagascar
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0147825/

    DeRay Davis- School For Scoundrels
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1154986/

    Michael Clarke Duncan- School For Scoundrels
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003817/

    Tarina Pouncy- School For Scoundrels
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1403237/

    Jada Pinkett Smith - Madagascar
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000586/

    Devika Parikh - Madagascar
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661490/

    Jerry Minor - Anchorman
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0591576/

    Chris Williams - Dodgeball
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0930282/

    Jamal Duff- Dodgeball
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1410687/

    Snoop Dogg - Starsky & Hutch
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335438/

    Terry Crews - Starsky & Hutch
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0187719/

    Kevin Hart - Along Came Polly
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0366389/

    I think you get the picture. I really wish people were more critical with their criticism. These topics deserve better.

  28. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    Dan,

    Actually, a typical episode of Def Comedy Jam usually consists of Black comedians making anti Black “jokes” - along with lots and lots of misogyny against Black women.

    And yes, that is racist (or, to be more accurate, self hatred).

    As far as the anti White “jokes” - typically, they involve comparing Blacks to Whites in such a way that White people come off looking a lot smarter, richer and better than Black people.

    So even there, there IS racism - but it’s aimed at Black people!

    Bottom line, I have no love for Def Comedy Jam - in large part due to it’s anti Black racism/self hatred.

  29. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    dan,

    Considering the cold hard 400 year record of American White supremacism that continues to this day, I’m genuinely curious why you make such a great effor t to pretend that there is little to no racism against Blacks in America.

    Please explain.

  30. Michelle wrote:

    Dan…kudos! I must say that I really like your research. It helps further the dialouge. Curious to see where we continue to go from here.

  31. sharon wrote:

    I agree with Makesia; if you didn’t tell me that was RDjr I would’ve assume it was another black actor (most likely a token one the studios use to show that theyre ‘being diverse’).

  32. Dan wrote:

    Gregory,
    I am in no way pretending there is little to no racism in America.

    Notice I’ve intentionally left it open to all races.
    I try to value every person and will give great effort speak out against racism no matter what the race.

    If you really see racism as “FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG” I would like to point out the phrase “White suburban multiplex fanbase” comes off as hypocritical.

    The comments of you and Black Canseco come across as racist towards White people. I can pull from any number of places here.

    Of course you’re entitled to your opinions, but if you truly think racism is fundamentally wrong I would suggest being more mindful of what you write.
    Racism exists in all creeds and colors it will never diminish until we are all mindful of this.

  33. Ange wrote:

    I am completely lost, aren’t they making fun of white actors who take parts that should have gone to a black actors?! like Jolie in a Mighty Heart. I believe this one is a non issue.

    Dan I agree with you!

  34. Kaonashi wrote:

    Ange:

    That’s what I thought when I first heard about this. It’s supposed to be satire; either way I’m not going to judge it until I find out more or actually SEE the movie.

    If this was simply slapstick, I seriously doubt that RDJ would be a part of this.

  35. Michelle wrote:

    I just had a thought….

    I personally think that RDJ is one of the best actors of his generation.

    Since he is so good, I wonder if he will simply melt into the part too well, thereby leaving the audience wondering who he was, or will he be so good at the satire that it will crystal clear what the intent is…..

    I will go see the movie if for no other reason that to bear witness to this moment in the history of Blackface. Is it the end of Blackface, or a whole new era ushered in by better makeup and wigs?

  36. Hot Tramp wrote:

    Dan, Dan, slow down — I can’t fill in the squares on my bingo card fast enough.

  37. Lisa wrote:

    Well, being the surly/disagreeable type that I am, my first thoughts were: Oh great! A movie about a white man playing a role originally written for a black man and all the “funny” shit he has to go through to pull it off. If it weren’t for the parallels to real life - people of color have to assimilate into white America every day of their lives for peanuts as compared to what an Academy Award winning, Hollywood actor is paid- I just might laugh at the satire.

    Downey, meanwhile, is confident he never crossed the line. “At the end of the day, it’s always about how well you commit to the character,” he says. “I dove in with both feet. If I didn’t feel it was morally sound, or that it would be easily misinterpreted that I’m just C. Thomas Howell in [Soul Man], I would’ve stayed home.”

    What is he talking about?!?! “Never crossed the line? No kidding!

    Here’s what I think of Bobby: He’s an ex-junkie, convicted drug user & abuser (after God knows how many chances!), white boy who is soooooooo lucky that Hollywood allows convicted felons to even get a high-paying job. Now…let’s parallell that reality to the 25yr old, black/Hispanic, street drug user/dealer, also a convicted felon who, in desiring to get his life back in-line with “normal” society, can’t get a job any better than that of a janitor or dishwasher.

    Hey, ya know what though, I should be “fair” and see the movie first before I make any judgements. Maybe, I will be one of the African Americans who it scored high with

  38. SolShine7 wrote:

    First, I’m not a fan of anything Ben Stiller. Second, I’m definitely not a fan of this film’s concept.

  39. Josh wrote:

    What will the Jim Crow “one-droppers” who didn’t think Angelina Jolie was “African enough” to play Dutch-Jewish / Cuban-black-Hispanic-Chinese Mariane Pearl make of this? Robert Downey Jr., a white German-Scottish / Irish-Jewish actor is playing a white actor who is cast in a part originally written for a black actor, so he decides to play it black. The movie, “Tropic Thunder,” is a satire of Hollywood actors making an epic war movie. It’s directed by Stiller, co-written by Etan Cohen (”Idiocracy,” “My Wife is Retarded” — note that the “h” is not in the first name but the last; he’s no relation to Joel) and Justin Theroux (who played a director in “Mulholland Dr.” and an actor in “Inland Empire”). Nick Nolte, Jay Baruchel and Steve Coogan also star — along with some big names in cameo appearances.

    As Downey told Entertainment Weekly, “If it’s done right, it could be the type of role you called Peter Sellers to do 35 years ago. If you don’t do it right, we’re going to hell.” […]

    ”At the end of the day, it’s always about how well you commit to the character,” he says. ”I dove in with both feet. If I didn’t feel it was morally sound, or that it would be easily misinterpreted that I’m just C. Thomas Howell in [”Soul Man”], I would’ve stayed home.”

    Trivia: Downey’s father, the writer-director of “Putney Swope,” the satirical 1969 comedy about a black advertising executive, looped his own voice for the black actor in the leading role.

    OK, we’ve also seen a black actor playing a racist white man who turns black overnight (Godfrey Cambridge in Melvin Van Peebles’ 1970 “Watermelon Man”); a white male actor playing a white female actor (Dustin Hoffman in “Tootsie”); a white female American actor playing a male Chinese-Australian “dwarf” (Linda Hunt, “The Year of Living Dangerously”); a black male actor playing various white, female, Chinese and other characters (Eddie Murphy, “Coming to America,” “Norbit”); a white woman playing a white male pre-op transsexual passing as a white woman (Felicity Huffman, “Transamerica”); a straight white woman playing a gay white female-impersonator (Julie Andrews, “Victor/Victoria”); a German- Japanese-Venezuelan male actor playing a Kenyan-white male American senator and presidential candidate (Fred Armisen on “Saturday Night Live” as Barack Obama); A– C—— playing itself; a Catholic Italian-American / French-Canadian man playing a Kabbalist Englishwoman (Madonna); various straight actors playing gay roles and gay actors playing straight roles and gay male actors playing straight actors playing straight women and straight men and gay men and… what else?

  40. DAB wrote:

    Ok Dan, you say we should do our research, so let’s go to your resource IMDB like you suggest and point out that according to IMDB;

    1) Ben Stiller didn’t cast, write, direct, or produce Night at the Museum, School for Scoundrels, Anchorman, Along Came Polly or Madagascar. So why give him credit for the fact that black actors showed up in supporting roles in these movies?

    2) He WAS one of the producers of Dodgeball and Starsky & Hutch, where Chris Williams & Jamal Duff played “Dwight” and “Me’shell” and Snoop Dogg was “Huggy Bear”. Stiller didn’t create Starsky & Hutch, so, again, why give him credit for the casting of Huggy Bear? Or even Chris & Jamal’s parts?

    3) Madagascar? MADAGASCAR? An animated film where you don’t even see the actors? An animated film that doesn’t require the actors to be in the same room? Again, a film BS didn’t cast in the 1st place. What are you giving him credit for, getting hired?

    4) There are 3 Black actors in Tropic Thunder, presumeably to counteract/react to RDJ’s character. BS is no fool, he knows if he surrounds RDJ with only White actors, he’ll get even more criticism.

    Yeah I get it, you want to shock Moe with the facts, but the facts are that BS didn’t cast anybody in the examples you gave. Besides, you mean to tell me that when you think of Dodgeball or Anchorman, the 1st thing that comes to your mind is diversity?!

    And NO, I don’t think BS is racist or RDJ is racist. I think they do have the right to make this movie and we should reserve judgement before we see it. But I also know that this kind of blackface feels awfully familiar and that it’s never worked. And stuff like the Wayans Bros. “White chicks” falls into the same category, absolute shit. And does BS have a track record of championing for diversity in the industry? Where is that link? He’s not known for that. It’s one thing if he’s ever spoken about how pathetic the situation is in Hollywood, it’s another if he shows blackface in one movie and then moves on to predominantly Caucasian films afterwards, which is what I suspect he’ll do. We all know he’s doing this for a laugh, first and foremost. It’s his idea of “brillant comedy”.

  41. Mike wrote:

    Black-face done by whites is ALWAYS racist.

    Due to the history of BF, it was ORIGINALLY done to mock and DEMONIZE Africans as they SUFFERED in slavery and Jim Crow.

    Even when whites do it today as in this film, it ‘conjures’ up memories of the original intent and purpose, also, whites make the “dommon mistake on thinking that BF is limited to what Al Jolson and Ted Danson, thinking that if a white man is made up to ‘look’ like a normal person, that it is then not BF, but it is, just only an ‘updated’ of BF.

    What about the film ‘White Chicks’?

    White face does NOT equal black-face, they have very different histories.

    Some call this film a “satire”, and we should not be alarmed, but at the end of the day, we STILL have a white man in BF and BF is always racist if done by whites.

    It is insulting, to use BF and tell us that you are not. As the old adage goes:

    ‘Don’t *beep* on my head and tell me it’s raining’.

    This film will inspire MORE excuses to use BF in every other TV show and film for years to come.

  42. Le Chev wrote:

    Ok, now you guys are just going overboard.

    For one, Downey Jr. is NOT playing a Black Man! He is playing a WHITE MAN (Kirk Lazarus) who is an award-winning actor in a high-budget Multi-Gazillion dollar Vietnam War movie, whose character (Sgt. Osiris) is the Black Sargent of a combat squad.

    Now, the role was designed for a Black man, but, hungry for the role, Lazarus gets extensive surgery done on him in order to “fit the role” (his words, not mine). The rest of the cast includes the gross-out drug addict comic Jeff Portnoy AKA “Fats” (Black), the out-of-touch Action Star “Speedman,” who adopted a child from Southeast Asia as a publicity stunt (Ben Stiller), the Bestselling Rap-Artist-turned-actor Alpha Chino (Jackson), and the “virgin” actor on his first film (Baruchel). In addition to the above traits, all of them are spoiled-rotten movie stars whose price tags could run most of the Third World for quite some time.

    Eventually, the strain of dealing with such a crew of “Prima-Donnas”, coupled with the amount of money that has been expended leads the studio and producers to cut their losses and shut the project down. However, the Director, having invested his reputation in the film, refuses to close up shop, and thus decides to film the movie on a shoestring.

    In order to do this, he transports said spoiled actors into Southeast Asia, with the plan of filming them in the “actual” setting. The actors, being the naive morons they are, all think it is a fancy full-immersion set.

    Unfortunately for all involved, the Crew runs afoul of a very real threat lurking in the jungle: a powerful North Korean Drug Cartel.

    Now, all this information is readily capable of being found in the trailer for the movie that is found on the TT website. Obviously, nobody condemning the film seems to have bothered going to that “great length” to get the full story.

    It is also worth noting that Stiller gave the film several test shows, including several featuring an entirely Black audience. That the feedback was overwhelmingly positive should tell the uber-sensitive here something.

    If anything, I would be more concerned as to the portrayal of Asians in the film, given the setting and the view from the trailer. However, even here I am not too worried. The simple fact of the matter is that, unless Stiller wants to alienate a large portion of his viewing population, he is not going to portray all Asians or Blacks as uniformly bad or barbaric.

    Why do I think this? For one, many people have pointed out (not merely here) how “thuggish” Jackson’s character (Alpha Chino) is. This is a relatively valid point, but you have to consider one important thing: Ultimately, Chino is a good guy in the film by what can be deduced with the materials one can find pre-release. The film may make some digs about “gangsta rap” and rap in general, but, ultimately, most stories do not have absolute saints as characters.

    What it boils down to is how the character acts when it matters, and how does he or she compare to the villains. In this case, Chino may talk or rap about shooting a cop or a woman, but what really matters is that there is a fine line between rapping about it and actually doing it. And, ultimately, I believe that any unsavory traits the characters have will pale epically in comparison to the ruthlessness of the Cartel. that is a common storytelling device, and one that has stood up to age very well.

    As for the possibility of the film dehumanizing Asians, also hold that it is not likely. It is true that the Asians we see in the trailer are thugs, but I will go on a limb here and say they are portrayed as thugs because they are Drug Smugglers. Drug Cartels are despicable, ruthless organizations that can come from any ethnicity, and Asian Drug Cartels are not exception to this rule. I would be VERY shocked if we do not see some Asians who are good guys, given that Cartels usually have more enemies in the area they are from than elsewhere. Don’t believe me? Take a look at Columbia’s great cartels.

    So, the bottom line is this: take a chill pill! Not everything revolves around race, and the use of makeup is easily justified given the plot circumstances.

  43. A. Morgan wrote:

    I think everyone here is not realizing the larger picture. This is not about tit-for-tat, going back to find the holes in everyone’s argument.

    Anyone who truly wants to know what Blackface really is. The legacy behind “Jim Crow “ or the “darky” or the “coon” or the “sambo” should have a history lesson. I encourage you watch Bamboozled by Spike Lee or even check out the definition of Blackface on Wikipedia. They have a really good article and I have posted the link below.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

    Even better watch Birth of A Nation or Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Watch them. And then think about our country, our wider world and the problems that still exist today and you tell me if this film helps. You can’t reclaim blackface. It was never good. It was something created by White America to degrade, satire, and debase African-Americans. It became so mainstream that in order to work Blacks had to wear blackface. African-Americans had to become “black”. You can never make that good. Moreover, Robert Downey’s portrayal still involves a White Man “becoming black” (if one can ever become a race). It is rooted in a sad and tragic history. If Hollywood really was going to take on a look at Blackface, a practice they upheld for years then they should take a serious look at it first, before a “comic” one.

    Moreover, no one has the right to tell a member of a racial group that someone’s depiction of their race is okay. Don’t tell anyone to “chill out” or “get over it”. Today we all pretty much have accepted the fact that a specific culture or race can speak about themselves in a way that a member of another cultural or racial group can not. Thus an African-American or Latino or Asian comedian can speak about the Black or Latino or Asian race in a way that someone else might not. If you are white and were offended by “White Chicks” then you should speak out about it. For some reason the majority of White America were not angered by the film. Nor by Eddie Murphy’s or Dave Chappelles’s portrayals. That is not anyone who is offended by this movie’s fault. Blacks have a right to be angry and offended by this movie. Asians have a right to be angered and offended by this movie. I would also like to add that “yellow-face” the supposed act of “becoming Asian” also exists. No one can tell someone, how they should feel about this.

  44. jimmydeanbakker wrote:

    This is one of those movies that I have to see before I judge. The purpose of this movie is to make fun of white actors who wore black face in older movies. It’ll probably work and be really funny, but it’s a chance that the whole thing might bomb, and just be plain offensive. I understood where Spike Lee was coming from in “Bamboozled.” I hope I can see what Stiller is trying to do in this movie.

  45. bas bleu wrote:

    black canseco - “With that said, I always find it funny when whites are in the position to do more than satirize an injustice, they tend to go for the self-congratulatory option of satire.

    The more powerful statement would be for Ben Stiller–one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood to simply green-light flicks with more diverse casts and storylines.”

    The best thing I’ve read so far on this topic. Well said.

    Satire is a delicious alibi in these post-race days!

  46. Hello Dolly wrote:

    black canseco - “With that said, I always find it funny when whites are in the position to do more than satirize an injustice, they tend to go for the self-congratulatory option of satire.

    The more powerful statement would be for Ben Stiller–one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood to simply green-light flicks with more diverse casts and storylines.”

    Gotta agree with bas bleu; this is the best thing anybody has said. If Ben Stiller’s eye for diversity is to be applauded, it should come after real efforts, not just a commentary (like, say, a movie). Otherwise, we don’t ACTUALLY know what his stance is (can’t say how he feels about actors of color). He just made a movie that seems to include related subject matter.

  47. Willie wrote:

    The producers of Tropic Thunder succeeded in creating controversy as all these mindless posts bear witness.

  48. Shaka wrote:

    Thank you Willie. I am Black and I don’t see it as a “set back for 400 years of oppression” etc.etc. Goodness. I saw an actor playing an actor poking fun at actors who take themselves too seriously. I wonder if the comedian from MADD that plays Mrs.Swan gets all this flack.

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