Glamour Magazine on Women, Race, and Beauty

by Racialicious Special Correspondent Latoya Peterson

I’ve been waiting for this shoe to drop.

Last August, a former Glamour editor found herself in a hailstorm of controversy after she gave a speech to a law firm where she indicated that an afro was not an office appropriate hairstyle. Jezebel had the scoop:

[A] recent slide show by an unidentified Glamour editor on the “Dos and Don’ts of Corporate Fashion” at a New York law firm shed some light on the topic, according to this month’s American Lawyer magazine.

First slide up: an African American woman sporting an Afro. A real no-no, announced the ‘Glamour’ editor to the 40 or so lawyers in the room. As for dreadlocks: How truly dreadful! The style maven said it was ’shocking’ that some people still think it ‘appropriate’ to wear those hairstyles at the office. ‘No offense,’ she sniffed, but those ‘political’ hairstyles really have to go.

In November of that year, Glamour tried to make amends to its readership by hosting a panel to discuss Women, Race, and Beauty. The March Issue of Glamour contains the transcript from the panel as well as some extra information about the panelists and some sidebars.

Reading the finished product, I notice I am left feeling unsatisfied. It’s kind of like when I saw The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift soundtrack advertised. DJ Shadow, Mos Def, Verbal from M-Flo, Dragon Ash, The Far*East Movement, and N.E.R.D. were all featured but after I previewed the tracks, I ended up leaving the CD in the store. How did something so right go so wrong?

I got the same feeling from this Glamour article. All the all stars are here: Farai Chideya (NPR, News & Notes), Vanessa Bush (Essence), Jami Floyd (TV Anchor), Daisy Hernandez (Colorlines), Lisa Price (Carol’s Daughter Hair Products), Venus Opal Reese (PH.D, University of Texas), Mally Roncal (Celebrity Make Up Artist/make up creator), and Barbara Trepagnier (Professor of Sociology). And yet…

The Panel

With Farai Chideya moderating, the panel got off to a quick start. The panel answered questions on the perception of natural hair in the workplace, self-acceptance, community pressure from both perspectives, and hair and identity. The audience also chimed in, lobbing questions about intra-community hair politics, adding more woman of color in the beauty business, and instilling confidence in teenage girls.

The conversation that resulted was good, but very surface level. The panelists used a lot of anecdotal evidence to make their points and generally stayed away from any topic that would seem a little too controversial.

What Was Missing

There were two comments that broke from this mold, one from Venus Opal Reese, and the other from Mally Roncal:

REESE: I’d like us to consider how we see things. When it comes to race, we’re looking from the past. When people see me with my natural hair, they don’t see Dr. Venus Opal Reese who has four degrees, they see an historical idea of what natural hair means. And that’s what it meant in the 1970s and 1960s; it equaled black nationalism and was linked to the Black Panther Party. It was considered militant. That doesn’t mean it’s true now, but that’s how it’s linked.

RONCAL: But you have to be comfortable with yourself before it can be about having fun. With my makeup line I work with everyday women, and obviously I give them tricks to enhance their own beauty. But I get a lot of Asian girls saying, “My eyes are too slanty. How do I make them look rounder?” And African American women asking, “How can I make my nose or lips look smaller?” I tell them, “We all deserve to feel as beautiful as we are. But I don’t want to hear you say, ‘I want to look more like a white girl.’”

With the exception of Roncal’s comment, the prevailing dominance of the white beauty ideal was not mentioned. Most of the discussion focused around corporate ideals of what is acceptable and what is not. Many of the panelists talk about straightening their hair to fit into a certain corporate culture or to advance. However, not much was discussed as to why certain people conform to the prevailing beauty standards and others do not. The corporate culture piece is an important one, but this panel happened because a group of lawyers thought there was something wrong with a beauty editor condemning natural hair. So there is a corporate component, but I would have liked to have seen a little more about individual attitudes.

Individual attitudes towards different kinds of beauty are immensely important in these kinds of conversations. It is quite telling that Dodai from Jezebel can post monthly articles about the lack of models of color in fashion magazine spreads, advertising, and on the runways, and still get comments like this one:

“It’s not the modelling agencies or fashion designers fault that black chicks aren’t as hot as white chicks. But this article in itself is racist. Maybe they were rebelling against these people trying to force them to diversify.”

There are institutional forces who propagate the idea that the white ideal of beauty is the only acceptable ideal of beauty. And then there are those individuals who are willing to disregard all other information to prove that the way things are is what is natural and right. I am not sure which of the two is harder to fight.

Now, I understand that there are different levels of racial conversation. Glamour is a national magazine that reaches two million women through paid circulation (subscriptions and newsstand). So a hard targeted conversation may not have played too well with their targeted readership. But their responses seem a little anemic considering the situation that sparked the panel.

Other Bits of Strange

This was Glamour’s response to their readers after a hurtful comment came from one of their staffers. (It should be mentioned that the staffer in question, Ashley Baker, says the comment was taken out of context. Her version of the story has not yet been revealed.) And Glamour has had other staffers make questionable statements that fly against their self-proclaimed belief “in the beauty of all women.” For example, touting the assumption that no one in their right mind would ever want a larger rear end.

So there is a bit of history here.

But I have to say I do find it interesting that a major article like this one wouldn’t merit a cover line. This is Glamour’s way to make amends and instead of promoting their discussion on race and beauty, they choose to go with the following cover lines:

“Pssst! Why guys love your body exactly as is”
“Sexy Hair in 10 Minutes or Less”
“99 Juicy New Secrets of Hollywood!”
“Find Your Best Birth Control”
“The Fashion, the Fun, the Dos & Don’ts”
“Spring Clothes for You”
“Naomi Watts: On the ballsy move that got her the man she loves”

Seriously? Y’all couldn’t take the corner spot you dedicated to the same old birth control article I read in every other women’s magazine and plug this panel?

I guess Sexy Hair grabs more attention than Icky Race Issues.

I also noticed some attempts at inclusiveness in the article, manifested through the sidebars. While the panel focused mostly on black women and hair issues, there were small glimpses of the experiences of others along the margins. N. Jamiyla Chislom talked about embracing the versatility of her hair, saying “Whether it’s ‘locked, Afroed, twisted, or straightened, we have the option of any and every style.” Serena Kim explains the single-fold eyelid and cultural pride. (It reminded me of Carmen’s earlier post asking if this issue was the number one concern in the Asian community. From my outsider’s view, I think this issue gets so much play in American magazines because it is (1) uniquely Asian and (2) something many Americans would find strange and exotic.) Laura Checkoway writes about wanting to trade her size zero figure for a larger frame to emulate “the two hottest black girls in my class, who had all the boys’ attention when they strutted by.” Taigi Smith writes about letting her hair be what it is. And Shirley J. Velasquez confused me with an article about facial hair and Latinas:

Latinas have two ideas about facial hair: that it makes a woman look dirty and that it’s sexy. When I was 13, my mother began taking me to a salon to get my upper lip threaded. “Now you look clean,” she’d say, and I’d feel good. I liked Frida Kahlo’s striking appearance, but I didn’t want facial hair like hers. One day, I noticed the woman attending me. She was beautiful with her facial hair, not despite it. I realized that I am too. I love the way my skin glows when it’s bare, but I know that there’s nothing embarassing about my body doing what it’s supposed to. Now, instead of continuing time-consuming waxes, I had laser hair removal. I was proud that it was less about shame and more about practicality.

Umm…I love my facial hair, so I got it permanently removed? Ok…I guess. My hair doesn’t grow that fast, so maybe she had to hit the waxer once a week? I dunno - someone please enlighten me.

At any rate, these perspectives were interesting soundbytes but not much else. I think they were intended to add some other ideas of race and identity, but left nothing substantial to hold on to.

The short segments did remind me of another piece that I had read about beauty - which accidentally brought race into the mix. Over on the Fat Acceptance blog, Shapely Prose, Kate Harding penned a piece called the Fantasy of Being Thin. Though the entire piece is excellent (and well worth the read), it can be summed up in this sentence:

Because, you see, the Fantasy of Being Thin is not just about becoming small enough to be perceived as more acceptable. It is about becoming an entirely different person – one with far more courage, confidence, and luck than the fat you has. It’s not just, “When I’m thin, I’ll look good in a bathing suit”; it’s “When I’m thin, I will be the kind of person who struts down the beach in a bikini, making men weep.”

There are now 471 comments to that post, but this one knocked the air from my lungs:

Tracy, on November 27th, 2007 at 8:13 pm Said:

I have been thinking about my thin fantasies for a while and the biggest one to come to me is probably particular to women of color:

If I were thin, I would be white…well as close as possible.

That was the biggest and most heartbreaking revelation for me. I always considered myself the exception to the rule about black folks and maybe it was my way of separating myself from my peers.

And then another one:

lactose intolerant lisa, on December 6th, 2007 at 7:08 pm Said:

I had an eating disorder based on my fantasy of being thin. For me, it was completely outrageous expectations: that my mom and dad would not get divorced, that I would be popular, that I would be worthy of all of the things I wanted to do, that I could finally wear the clothes I wanted to make, and the most outrageous one: that I would be white. I’m half white, and I so internalized all the racism I’d encountered that I always fantasized that when I was thin, I would be white. Talk about impossible. I’ve come very far on beating my eating disorder, but my fantasy of being thin seems like one of the very last things to go.

We can discuss differences in hair texture.

We can discuss differences in body type.

We can discuss differences in facial features.

But this does not change the reality that “white” is considered the golden standard and that everything else is deemed unacceptable. Straightened hair, fairer skin, keener features are all considered beautiful while anything else is automatically considered unattractive. If you are a woman of color, you suddenly find yourself under enormous pressure to compensate for that you “lack.” The situation isn’t hopeless. As Afrobella writes in Black Woman, Know That You Are Beautiful, there are ample resources created by and for women of color that need our support. While most of us can and do support the endeavors of our community, does that mean we have to stop advocating for inclusion and support in mainstream publications?

Going back to the Glamour article, I find myself a bit sad. Rarely does a mainstream magazine decide to tackle race directly and so Glamour should be commended for putting the panel and article together. However, the piece feels like a wonderful beginning, a springboard to a multi-part series, the small start that leads us into a more enlightened conversation. It deserves more follow up, discussions, check-ins, maybe even a small monthly feature.

But I can’t shake the feeling that this article - as well as the conversation it sparked - ends on page 246, never to be mentioned again.

(Image taken from the Glamour website)

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Comments

  1. Cynthia wrote:

    Again, fair skin is NOT exclusively white. Maybe the hair (ideal hair is straight, but not too straight (a la Asian hair), and dark isn’t as good as light), the eyes and so forth, but skin colour? Nope. Even if you were to take me back to ancient China, many people will likely see me as peasant-like because I’m not all that light (I’m dark enough that lots of people think I’m Filipina).

    Also, corporate culture isn’t only about how you look (as in hair), but also how you dress and the type of jewelry you have on. Amy Verner of the Globe and Mail recently wrote a piece about men and guy-bling (think Daniel Day-Lewis’ earrings at the Oscars) and its inappropriateness in a professional environment. It’s also the Question of the Week in my blog

  2. Cynthia wrote:

    ^^^ Therefore “corporate” culture isn’t race-specific, necessarily.

  3. Fatemeh wrote:

    Great post, Latoya! You got into all the right nooks and crannies!
    I am chuckling at the Latina-and-facial-hair anecdote because there is a lot of similarity (in my experience) with the Middle Eastern community. Some of us are crazy hairy, and so hitting the salon once a week isn’t that far-fetched.
    “Umm…I love my facial hair, so I got it permanently removed? Ok…I guess.” LOL!

  4. NancyP wrote:

    The standard is not just white , but upper class WASP. Dolly Parton got loads of ridicule for her flamboyant looks including her Majorly Big Hair as well as her “unseemly excess” of flesh. Even white women have to put in some thought about conforming to the WASP stereotype, if they are being judged for their appearance, whether at the TV station or as a Waterhouse Price account broker.

    Being white, I just never got The Hair Thing, at least on women. As long as it isn’t an obviously unnatural dye or bleach job, it’s all OK with me. Grey is way better than crimson or jet black painted-on look. Scraggly hair on men of either race, I don’t like, whether that be the Willie Nelson look, a wispyish natural, or (gawd forbid) a comb-over. But I don’t work in corporate America. It’s an eye-opener for me, the extra “requirements” demanded of non-white women by the business world.

    I never did understand why having a boy’s ass made women “sexy”….

  5. Dana wrote:

    I think the perception about natural hair is — very slowly — but surely changing in the black community. A small but growing minority of black people are choosing to go natural, and in some circles, locs have become as acceptable as braids — however unloced, super kinky hair is still stigmatized , especially for women. I grew up surrounded by “good hair” nonsense, but when I think of a black person with natural hair, what comes to mind isn’t a political revolutionary or someone who’s unkempt or too poor to get their hair done… my mental image is that of an academic, a professional person, or a hippie-type. Someone who’s cosmopolitan and interested in politics/world issues, mind you, just not necessarily restricted to one particular wing or level of extremism.

  6. Dana wrote:

    Yeah, I think that the widespread perception that it’s only natural for WOC in general, black women in particular to be seen as less attractive — barring a few “exceptions” that are sufficiently within the proximity of whiteness in appearance — is going to be the harder thing to fight. It’s probably the primary impetus for the lack of black models… the fashion industry is probably more liberal-minded than the general public, but they still want the latter’s patronage. But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? A decent amount of black models working today are from Africa and have “stereotypically black” features, but that hasn’t changed the perceptions of those features by the public, nor created desire among the general public to see women who look like that more often… so, it’s kind of an impasse.

  7. china blue wrote:

    Articles like this strengthen my resolve never to read magazines like this again - they pay lip service to women of colour (usually with a neon-bright lip colour for ‘black skins’), but do not have our interests at heart, and aren’t necessarily interested in reaching out to us. And the comments of the Glamour staffers reflects their attitude.

    I tend towards mags I find race-neutral (National Geo, Psychologies) or those that target me specifically (Black Beauty & Hair et al).

    Really enjoy the blog, btw :-)

  8. Kandee wrote:

    I think their approach of a town hall meeting was strategic. It allowed Glamor to stand at a distance instead of going a little bit further, beyond the testimonials, and into a social critique. Relying on this format allows those who need to engage in the conversation to remain observers rather than participants. ( “Oh look! THEY have a problem. Again. Too bad.”) It accomplishes nothing. I agree with ‘china blue’ - it’s lip service.

  9. Orville wrote:

    Latoya brings up an important topic the impossible standards that women of colour encounter in a society that is both racist and sexist. Black women are told in society through images, books, movies, the closer they look to whiteness the more acceptable they are. It is the reason Tyra Banks and her light skinned, weave, oatmeal personality is so popular.

    Although I am a man I have female relatives and I have witnessed and seen the battles black women endure in relation to hair politics. The editor at Glamour magazine’s comments were really disrespectful. I think Glamour to their credit is not ignoring the issue. However, I also don’t think they are dealing with the controversy in an honest manner.

    Glamour is just doing classic PR just trying to get black women to “be quiet” about the controversy and move on. But Glamour Magazine never cared about black women to begin with their core audience was always white females.

    Can we be real here for five seconds? Why is there this invisible code about the friction between black women and white women? Why are people so afraid about talking about this very important issue? I know mammy Oprah has a gimmick on talk show about a global sisterhood but in the real world this is a serious issue.

    Although white women do indeed encounter issues in relation to body image, sexism, and other issues. I find that white feminists ignore race, and class and focus so often on gender politics. Women of colour encounter other barriers in relation to their femininity constantly being compared and contrasted to white women.

    It is the reason we see Mary J Blige, Beyonce, Lil Kim in blonde weaves. I just laugh when Mary J Blige talks about keeping it real. I mean girlfriend has been rocking the blonde weave since 1992! The blonde weave is a symbol of whiteness and white beauty. My personal opinion is I think Blige and Beyonce and Lil Kim look silly in blonde weaves just my opinion.

    It is the reason light skinned black women or light skinned women of colour are placed on a pedestal as being more sexually attractive then women of colour that don’t have Eurocentric features. Rihanna, Halle Berry, Vanessa L Williams, are always showered with praise by black heterosexual men and white society for their white features.

    I think the attitude of Glamour magazine is not surprising. Glamour just wants to issue to go away but Glamour was never a magazine that had the concerns of black women their main focus anyway. I think Glamour should of made this a cover story. Although I a man I notice far too often the issue of friction and racism between white women and black women is consistently ignored. I wonder why discussing this subject is so taboo?

  10. tricia wrote:

    I loved this article, Latoya. You did a fabulous job of analysis and linking the various threads together.

    Orville, your comments about white feminists are not far from my own. A lot of white women think they “get” the struggle issues, without recognizing their own positions of advantage (race, class, etc.) But these forums of discourse help to push against these narrowly focused movements.

    I am a white woman who teaches race/ethnicity classes at the university level. I’m always amazed at how many people ask directly why I’m specialized in race/ethnic studies! As if, as a white woman, I have no race/ethnicity of my own…

    Breaking past these misconceptions and stereotypes, and building deeper understanding and empathy is critically important. We MUST dismantle whiteness - in all its manifestations - as an ideal in our society.

  11. TJ wrote:

    This is a really great article. I stopped reading Glamour in high school. I’m glad to see I made the right choice.

  12. Cynthia C wrote:

    I want to know what it means to concern certain groups. I mean, is concerning a certain culture or cultures using models from that culture or cultures or is it more than that? If a magazine focuses primarily on lifestyle and business issues like general health, condo living, general beauty products, fashion and investing, will it still be ethnic-specific? Even if such a publication features people of all ethnicities?

  13. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Cynthia - Please clarify your question. Are you asking about Glamour magazine in general or this specific situation? Are you asking about inclusion of certain groups, regardless of the magazines focus? I’m not sure I get what you are asking…

  14. Cynthia C wrote:

    Latoya,

    I’m asking about magazines in general, especially lifestyle and/or fashion magazines. So this would include publications like Martha Stewart or Town and Country.

  15. Jill wrote:

    I think it’s worth noting that while “white” may be the standard, it’s a certain version of white. I’m a white woman and I certainly don’t fit the white standard of beauty - because I’m too white! The irony here is that white women are supposed to have a nice “healthy” tan - pasty white skin like mine is always portrayed as unhealthy, undesirable, even gross. I’m only 5′1, too, and on the chubby side, so I’ve never felt like I fit the typical white beauty ideals…
    I haven’t read Glamour in ages, either, because it feeds into the idea that it’s not enough to be white - I have to be tall and thin and tan and dress well and have straight hair (mine is very curly).
    One thing that’s always bothered me is that so many of the African-American women who are seen as beautiful/role models are actually biracial - Halle Berry and Alicia Keys come to mind. Nothing against those two women. But there are many beautiful and talented black women who don’t fit the white standard of beauty and I’ve always thought it’s a shame that you never hear/see more of them.

  16. Tami wrote:

    Latoya,

    Great post! You pinpointed exactly what I found missing in the Glamour piece: an acknowledgement of the root of the drama surrounding black hair. The 300-pound gorilla in the room was the Eurocentric beauty standards perpetuated by the mainstream, including magazines like Glamour.

    I didn’t particularly find the piece celebratory of diverse beauty. The article and sidebars seem more like, “Gosh, it’s too bad that women of color have to deal with all those yucky things like nappy hair, moustaches and the the lack of big, blue eyes. But look how strong some of them are, they have actually found a way to feel good about it.”

    I don’t get the feeling that the editors of Glamour particularly have a view of beauty that is different from Ashley Baker’s.

  17. Cynthia wrote:

    You know, I should add that in the January 2008 issue, Glamour had a two pager on dressing the petite woman (three different body types - “boy shaped”, “pear shaped” and “curvy”…they even used brands that made petite sizes, and listed the clothes in both “regular” and petite sizes ! Never seen that in a magazine before!). I wrote them a note to thank them for doing that…usually dressing petite bodies take up less than one page, and only feature the “boy shaped” petite…I checked the March issue to see if my note or anyone else’s was published regarding that…not surprised to see that none were.

    *NOTE: A common misunderstanding is that “petite” means both short and thin. I know girls and women who are say, 5′1″ and 130 lb who don’t identify as petite because they feel that petites have to weigh less than 110 lb. Guess what? As long as you’re shorter than 5′4″, you are petite.

  18. Aaminah wrote:

    I am appalled at the way this was originally addressed by the Glamour editor, but not actually surprised. I’m glad that the magazine tried to do “something” about it, but agree that it is sorta too little-too late and meant to shush the complaints rather than really get into the meat of the issues.

    This idea of what is “acceptable” in corporate culture is, however, a real problem. I’m so glad the attorneys called her on it! Because it is true that corporate culture is very racist in this regard, even if they don’t think of it that way. I remember a black Muslim man I know telling me that he had lectured his brother that he needed to cut his dreads to be considered “respectable” and shouldn’t complain that he can’t find a job if he wasn’t willing to make the effort. I strongly disagreed and told him that companies have to learn to respect religious and cultural differences, and the wearing of dreadlocks actually can fall under one’s civil rights. Because a company can’t (legally) ask you if you wear them for religious reasons, and they can’t say “that’s not part of the religion you profess” because spirituality is very subjective, this is something they need to learn to accept.

    I also recall a few years ago reading about an African American woman who wasn’t advancing in her company despite being better qualified than the people who were advancing. She thought it was just a clear-cut case of it being because she was black, but she approached her management to find out what was going on. She was told flat out that her jewelry, particularly her earrings, were “too ethnic”. Yes, the fact that she wore wood and “tribal-like” jewelry and accessorized with small animal prints was the sole reason - that they had no shame admitting - for her lack of promotion. And the way she described it, she wore suits and was VERY professional, her small “ethnic” touches were not large, gaudy or anything like that. They just weren’t pearls and gold. So corporate culture just has a long way to go in getting with the times.

    As a Muslim, I experience this frequently as well. Nevermind that by law you can’t refuse to hire me because of my headscarf, you’d be AMAZED how many companies have no shame to say “you wouldn’t fit our culture”! And as women, we do get into a whole thing of “don’t wear black or dark/’drab’ colors because it makes you look dull or threatening”, and “don’t wear anything too bright either because it makes you look juvenile or unprofessional”. We tell each other, “stick to light colors and floral prints, these are ‘non-threatening’”! And make sure you wrap your hijab in such a way so it isn’t too “big” and obvious, so it looks more like a fashion statement than the modesty it is meant to convey! And definitely, never wear a wrap or turban because those are clear “ethnic” styles. Which is really really sad.

  19. Cynthia wrote:

    But what’s wrong with adopting “appropriate corporate style”? Chinese people in Hong Kong wear suits to work like their western counterparts and do so here in North America too (and the stereotypical Japanese businessman is always pictured in a western suit). I’ve never heard of a Chinese business person even think of wearing anything ethnic-related to work, except a jade bracelet or pendant. Why do some cultures make a big deal out of it?

  20. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Fatemeh - Like I said, I’m just confused at that one. I do remember a couple of Latina friends coming to a comfortable understanding with excess arm hair, but … again, I love it but it’s gone? But again, not my problem, so I don’t know…

    Tami - Yeah, that was problematic. It felt like all the sidebars were kind of a gloss - “tell us a way you celebrate your ethnic beauty” rather than a point for dicussion.

    Jill - You’re right. That comes up frequently in the feminist blogs/lit I read, how very few people fit into these narrow standards. I would argue though that with white women, these standards are aspirational (you TOO could look like this with surgical enhancement/rigid diet/four hours of excercise/hair dye) whereas with women of color they are exclusionary (you could try all you want, but you will never be like this. )
    Both are damaging.

    Cynthia -

    Re: Magazines. If your demographic is moneyed WASPs, then yes, your magazine should fit and show case your demographic. But that’s not really the case here. Town & Country has their demo; so does Martha Stewart; so does Essence. Their pages reflect their demographic. But Glamour’s pages do not - and if a magazine is going to pay lipservice to inclusiveness and celebrating all kinds of beauty, it would help if they would back it up by including more diversity in their pages and on staff.

    It isn’t that hard to find out who your demographic is and work within that; it is basic business. One magazine that did a good job of this is Pink. When it first launched it was a very narrow magazine - for white women in business. I checked out an issue or two, and didn’t read anymore. Then, this year, it appears that they made an effort to attract a larger readership - so they included targeted articles about women of color in the workplace, profiled women domestically and abroad and *added some color to the contributors page*. Does that mean that Pink suddenly became the new minority business mag? No! But they made a hell of an effort to reach their targeted audience.

    Re: Office Culture - You can adapt your clothes to a situation. You cannot adapt your skin color. The implication here is that a person who has dreds cannot be professional. Apparently, it does not matter if the dreds are well kept or not, or if the person wearing the dreds is wearing a suit and tie with them tied back. It’s not “professionalism” - it’s a hiring manager thinking “your hair looks too rebellious, I can’t give you a job.”

    Or think of it this way - you have long straight hair. Imagine if in order to be considered “acceptable” you would have to style your hair into a short curly bob. Now, you may like your hair the way it is, but you want to be seen as acceptable, so you take a few hours each week to get your hair into this style, even though it is damaging to your hair and time consuming. You want to go back to your normal, low maintence style, but you can’t - because no matter how neatly you brush your hair into a ponytail; or pin it up, the point is your hair is long and straight. And that means it is unacceptable.

    Everyone makes sacrifices in business, but like Aaminah points out in her comment, sometimes those sacrifices compromise your sense of self. Women in the workforce no longer have to emulate men with pantsuits & shoulder pads because they have proven they can do they work without copying the image of their male bosses. I am hoping we get to a point where minorities will also be judged by the quality of their work and not how they wear their hair.

    (But, it is at this moment I need to admit that I am way biased on this issue, as I don’t believe in conforming to rigid corporate standards of dress. Pulled together and professional is enough. I would much rather just work at a place that will have me for me. Chances are, if they want me to conform by way of dress, they’ll want me to do other things I am uncomfortable with as well.)

  21. Cynthia wrote:

    But LaToya, why won’t a non-white person read a magazine that is seen as “white” (or whatever the demo is). My mom reads Businessweek. I’m sure a late 50s Chinese woman who hasn’t worked in 16 years isn’t the so-called “target” demo. I’ve started to read Town and Country. Again, a 28 year old Chinese woman probably isn’t “target” either.

  22. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Who the hell said they wouldn’t?

    You can read what you want to read, Cynthia. If you choose to read magazines that do not reflect you, that’s on you. I read Elle, and they appear to have a strict “two PoC per year” rule in effect. Even their stock photos are generally white. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like them to have more representation but it doesn’t mean that I will necessarily stop reading if they don’t. That is my choice in terms of what to consume.

    If I support magazines/TV shows/movies that do not reflect me or my reality, I am choosing to let them continue along that path - after all, why change? But if someone is specifically looking to reach my demographic, it would make logical sense for them to include PoCs in their pages.

    This is more apt for things like beauty magazines - which is what we are discussing - rather than business magazines or other service related magazines. Time/Newsweek/Business Week etc may attract all kinds of readers, but their main purpose is to distribute current events and business information. No race or gender assigned to that. Magazines like Glamour act like they are providing a very diverse viewpoint on beauty and celebrate beauty among all their female readers - which is why it is excepted for the target demo to tell a magazine what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong.

    Obviously, you can read things outside of your demographic. I am outside the demographic for S Cawaii - I am not a fashionable, 95 pound young woman in Japan with a ton of disposable income. But I pay the high ass import cost to read it because as a fashionable, young black woman with disposable income, their clothes and combinations interest me much more than what is coming from American glossies.

    I am not writing S Cawaii asking where their black models are. (Though, funnily enough, I’ve seen a couple.) Why? Because I realize that they are not catering to me, just like they don’t cater to large women and foreigners. I choose to read their media because I like it. Just like I can choose to read Audrey, though it is targeted at Asian-American readers. However, I can also choose NOT to read a magazine that says that they care about what I think, and claims that they speak for me, but shows in their actions they do not.

  23. Aaminah wrote:

    “Everyone makes sacrifices in business, but like Aaminah points out in her comment, sometimes those sacrifices compromise your sense of self.”

    I would go farther and say it forces us to compromise our spiritual and ethical values. A Muslim man is supposed to have his head covered, a Sikh man must never show his hair. It isn’t only women - these are very real parts of who we are and not just our “sense of self” but viewed as obligations to God. I agree with you LaToya, “Pulled together and professional is enough.” Far too often as you mention it isn’t just compromising on dress, but then means compromising on other moral or ethical values you have to “fit in” and be “acceptable”.

    Cynthia, I really have a hard time understanding where you are coming from. You ask “why won’t a non-white person read a magazine that is seen as ‘white’”. Well first of all, LaToya didn’t say no non-white person would ever read a ‘white’ magazine. But why don’t white people read BW - a magazine targeted to Vietnamese Americans? Why don’t white women read Latina (though my personal opinions of that particular magazine are rather low)? Why don’t white women read Ebony? Those magazines have a target audience who they “speak to” the lifestyle, culture and needs of. Most white women can’t relate and most wouldn’t want to! So why should women of color be all excited to read magazines that do not relate to them in any way? Even worse when they are “mainstream” magazines that profess to be for “all women” but don’t feature models of color, writers of color, or discuss topics in a culturally inclusive or diverse way.

    It’s great that your mom reads so-called “white” business magazines, and there is nothing wrong with her doing so. Depending on the issue being addressed, in alot of cases those things cross ethnic and cultural barriers. If you do business primarily in the U.S. or Canada, then the U.S. or Canadian corporate culture is what you want and need to read about to some degree. But it doesn’t mean it’s all you want to see or that you don’t notice that “your people” aren’t in any way featured.

    I read Martha Stewart’s Living. That’s probably considered a “white” magazine. Fine. But the things I get out of it aren’t culture related, so they are relevent to me. But I also read things that are targetted to me as a Native woman, as a Muslim, as a yoga practicioner (and I purposely choose the ones that don’t only feature or talk from a white upper middle class framework), as a woman who is interested in a variety of cultures, as a writer - and again, I choose the ones that feature a wide variety of writers - etc. I want to be able to read more magazines that I feel speak TO me and ABOUT me than only magazines where “my people” have no place.

  24. Cynthia wrote:

    Aminah and LaToya:

    Maybe that’s where we differ. I’ve tried to read magazines that supposedly target my ethnic group/cultures, but I’ve never felt that I could relate to them. I may look like the women who are featured in these publications, but for some reason, the writing has nothing to do with me. I have more of a connection to say, Martha Stewart Living and Harper’s Bazaar than Audrey. And according to this site, it’s almost as if it’s “wrong.” Or at least, it’s the vibe I’m getting. Maybe I’m just unusual.

  25. Ali wrote:

    I agree whole heartedly with Latoya regarding the vacuousness of the Glamour article. If you’re hoping for a monthly column dealing with beauty from non upper middle class waspy pov don’t hold your breath! I’m pretty sure that’s not their demo. In fact I’d go as far as to argue that the editors of Glamour have no vested interest in POC issues at all. I think the racism, classism, and intra-gender sexism that are at play here are more institutional than personal. The editors at Glamour don’t consider women of color because they don’t think they have to. Ethnicity related issues are still largely viewed as “their problems which have nothing to do with us” or “fringe issues” by much of the beauty industry. Occasionally articles about women of color are thrown in a publication or a few models will be thrown in as an afterthought (sometimes literally to add a bit of color to a shot) but this type of inclusiveness is superficial because most companies are not willing to go the extra mile to actually engage these audiences.

    Intensifying this issue is the fact that there are very few women of color in positions of power within the beauty industry. I work for an agency that’s in the middle of developing a pitch to a major American beauty label and some of the meetings that take place look like waspy sorority conventions. Very few women of color means very few ideas of color which translates into very little consideration of audiences of color. Glamour Magazine is a part of this industry and so they get caught up in the clone machine as well. This article is a perfect example of why the cycle will remain unbroken if the beauty industry continues to ignore the benefits of diversifying their executive pools. An editorial staff that’s more concerned about covering their asses than the issues, putting together a one time article that makes them feel better about themselves isn’t good enough. Especially if they’re only doing it because it seems like the right thing from a PR standpoint. This article feels empty because no one at Glamour really put their heart into it and more perceptive readers can tell. Promoting inclusive beauty ideals is not their passion, generating revenue for their share holders is.

    I think, for now, the solution to this problem is for communities of color and communities that are interested in promoting more inclusive/realistic beauty images to develop their own products and publications. In her analysis of the article Latoya asks: “While most of us can and do support the endeavors of our community, does that mean we have to stop advocating for inclusion and support in mainstream publications?” In a word and for the time being, YES. The beauty industry is a profit driven machine, so money talks. I think the smartest most self-affirming thing that women who don’t fit the corporate beauty model can do is to open their own shops, work hard at growing their businesses and let the big wigs come to you.

    Fighting for equality is important but that struggle necessitates a listening ear. It seems to me that the beauty industry at large, including Glamour magazine, isn’t listening hard enough to commit to making a legitimate effort right now. The longer women (and men) allow themselves to be force fed this manufactured hogwash of what is beautiful, desirable and attractive the more damage is done. At some point we as consumers must become unwilling to view ourselves through the eyes of those who do not value us. I know this article is frustrating and disheartening, especially when you think of what could have been but Latoya don’t let Glamour get you down. They aren’t worth it.

    Sorry for the long-ass reply. I guess I’m just a blabber mouth today!

    Also @ Cynthia. I think the main issue there is who gets to decide what constitutes “appropriate corporate style.”

  26. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Cynthia -

    There are so many things that I could say, but let’s just leave it at this: I am not sure why you are here. Racialicious talks about race and pop culture, and we always will. OUR demographic is people who are interested in discussing racial issues.

    From your comments, you seem more concerned with how gender and size issues factor into your life, and you are dismissive of race in general.

    In your life, if you don’t find relative worth in seeing people who look like you reflected in the media, fine.

    If you like Harpers and T & C, more power to you. But I wouldn’t pick up either of those publications. They don’t reflect me. They have no value to me. I prefer to see my self (and my friends) reflected in the media I consume. And many of the readers on this site feel the same way. That’s why we are here.

    Personally, I am not quite sure what you are hoping to get out of this blog. You post a lot of comments, but are you hearing what other commenters are saying? Can you understand that people view the world differently?

    I can appreciate that you are going to look for magazines and media that speak to your lifestyle, and your priorities in magazines will be those who speak to petite women and those who speak to the affluent.

    Can you appreciate that I am looking for magazines and media that speak to my lifestyle, and my priorities in magazine buying will speak to me as an intelligent, urban, woman of color?

  27. Orville wrote:

    But I think women of colour ARE making the move to reach out to their audience. It is true how many white women bother to read Essence, or Ebony or Upscale magazine?
    The mainstream culture is viewed as the norm and people of colour are viewed as the other. People should be allowed to style their hair anyway at work. And isn’t that employment discrimination to discriminate someone based on appearance?

    Vibe Magazine, Ebony Magazine, Upscale Magazine, Essence Magazine, Latina Magazine are magazines geared towards women of colour.
    There are more beauty products geared towards women of colour too. I believe Ebony has their own cosmetics line.
    Although Essence Magazine isn’t perfect the magazine does have over 1 million readers that’s a pretty big audience. I do believe though that women of colour should NOT hold their breath and wait for the mainstream such as Glamour to be inclusive. And in terms of business Glamour’s demographic audience is white upper class women and that’s fine that’s business. The problem I have with Glamour Magazine is their pathetic attempt to resolve the issue. Why even bother? The issue is much deeper then an executive at Glamour making a racist comment it goes to the bone about how women of colour are consistently being forced and told by a racist and sexist mainstream culture to conform to whiteness.

  28. Cynthia wrote:

    LaToya,

    I’m just trying to offer a different perspective. So many white people (especially so-called liberals) seem to think that non-whites only talk about ethnic-related issues and only that. I see that with many non-whites too. Many people hear of my issues and immediately dismiss me (and people like me) as a “sell out.” It seems that most people think non-whites who put gender and class ahead of race aren’t “with it” or don’t “get it.”

  29. tasha wrote:

    Martha Stewart is my Oprah, but then, given my comments on this site, I don’t think anyone would exactly be surprised by that. Frankly, I couldn’t believe that the Glamour editor said what she originally said out loud. I mean that’s not even subtle, but then again, if you put yourself in the editor’s shoes, you could kind of see why she would jump to that conclusion, and not because of “corporate standards of acceptability” or anything, but rather because it wouldn’t surprise me if the Glamour editor didn’t come into contact with black women who wore their hair natural on a regular basis. I mean think about it, I suppose it would seem rebellious to her to see a black woman walking around corporate America with silky locks or a fro’. Most of us (black women) probably do process, perm, relax our hair, etc. in some way. I often don braids or flat twists in the summer time, cause it’s hot and my scalp gets to breathe, and I’ve never gotten bad remarks from my superiors. Maybe locks and afro’s are thought of as more political. I don’t know, but usually, my braids and twists have usually been the focus of admirable fascination among white people, not a point of contention.

  30. Cynthia wrote:

    I also want to add that race-based issues are often location-specific (mostly in North America and European countries with lots of non-white immigrants) while gender and size issues are more wide-spread and international.

  31. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    I can understand that, Cynthia.

    But keep in mind that your different perspective can sometimes come off as very dismissive. It’s kind of like trying to espouse a different opinion on a feminist blog. Talking about the women who like to keep home or wear heels kind of derails from the issues they are discussing.

    I am finding it very hard to find a tight answer to the second part of your question. That’s a very real issue, where people place their own priorities and how others perceive those priorities. I touch on this a little bit in some of my upcoming posts, but not indepth - but I believe this is a conversation worth having. I’ll see what I can do in terms of conversations about selling out and intersectionality.

    But, back to the first part - please keep in mind that this site is about race. And if it isn’t one of your priorities, it is for others. I would like people (not just you) to be respectful of the fact that this is a space to discuss PoC issues with media imagery. Just like there are spaces where feminists discuss pop culture, and where others discuss politics and gaming, we discuss race here. So, feel free to express your dissenting opinion - just keep in mind that not everyone is coming from your perspective.

  32. NancyP wrote:

    Don’t whale on Cynthia too hard, sometimes it takes time to sink in (I admit, it did and does with me - slow learner that I can be at times). Just showing up at a site and reading is better than sitting on one’s duff.

    Orville way up thread has a point - friction between white and POC feminists (and white and POC LGBTs) is often ignored or swept under the carpet by said white F or LGBTs. I believe it stems from white expectation that F or LGBT activists should be one-identity activists, and that the specific focus and tactics used for the one or two issues should be determined by the majority, ie, white majority by demographics in most large-geographic-area organizations. I think this is counterproductive since IRL POC F or LGBT activists have more than one “identity” and within the F or LGBT identity may have different issues or manifestations of issues of importance. What’s wrong with getting more people in the door working on multiple issues with multiple approaches? Nothing, most of the time. Sometimes there are direct conflicts - well, it IS real life. Hash’em out. The price of support is participation, and that goes both ways. Organizations and alliances do split on occasion - it is a mistake to let those be permanent, since personnel in organizations do change over time.

  33. NancyP wrote:

    Cynthia, you are wrong about body size issues being international, other than the basic fact that a certain percentage of the population in any country thinks they aren’t as beautiful/handsome as they would like.

    The BBC recently had a short article about the popularity of big butts on women in an African country, I think, Ghana. (As I said above, I think the North American media preference for boyish women with fake breasts is peculiar, and that left to themselves, most men and women would prefer the image of the Ghanain-fashionable womanly woman).

  34. Wendi Muse wrote:

    latoya,

    your analogy about long straight hair and the curly bob was awesome. hopefully u will become the head honcho at glamour one day and enforce that standard of professionalism…or just have your employees wear dreads…all of ‘em lol

    and cynthia,

    race and ethnicity matters in every single country in the world. sure, not in american terms, but they exist. and they are certainly no less important than feminism or size issues. they are not comparable issues necessarily.

    size issues are different worldwide as well, in addition to being location specific, often time based on race, ethnicity, and nationality, mind you. for example…being thin in the united states may be a sign of beauty and health for some ethnic groups, whereas being larger is a sign of beauty, wealth, and health in others.

  35. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    LOL - Dreads are a commitment man. I don’t know about enforcing that code. Besides, I am more into the hair as self expression camp.

    I also find it fascinating that “corporate culture” largely depends on who is running the place. The place I work now has a lot of older people in charge, and - in our area at least - I see a lot of forty year old, supervisory black women with dreadlocs, cornrows, and fros of all sizes. They are in the public eye. They all dress professionally, most wearing suits and nice shoes (which I why I love I can still wear a hoodie to work, provided it is a well coordinated outfit with nice shoes). It just is.

    Amazingly, the people in power decided that people can wear their hair naturally and still be effective at their positions. Imagine that.

  36. bdsista wrote:

    Being a weave queen (bellydancer thing), I still have issues with many fashion magazines and I am also an Image Consultant. My cousin’s friend was the woman who worked for Marriott in DC who was fired for having cornrows who sued and got her job back. In fact her nickname is “cornrow”, but it took a lawsuit for Marriott to change its racist policy about hair styles. So corporate policy CAN be changed if they wish to deal with what is inside a person’s head, rather than what is on it.
    I too am sick of Mary J, Beyonce, and all the singers with blonde hair. Lil Kim and Foxy Brown are just manifestations of unspeakable pathology. They are like Pecola Breedlove multiplied.
    I had a thin white woman tell me that the best way for me to catch a well to do man was to lose weight and get a breast reduction. (I was really big like G cup) She told me, that men with money see large breasted women as vulgar and do not consider them as marriage material (hence the Dolly Parton factor). She confided in me that she had one, and now she was happily married to a 50-yr old Mr. Moneybags. I eventually did get a reduction because of a bulging disk, bad back but I am still a voluptuous, “vulgar” DD. I found the comment to not be insulting but more insightful as to how the size thing translates into class designations. I also dismissed it since being a Black woman I did not think it mattered if I was thin or not, if I did not match the white beauty standard, so I figured I would hold out for whatever man thought I was beautiful, big chested an all.

    I kind of get what Cynthia is asking, but I think she is coming more from a class perspective than a race perspective and the issue is race, more specifically, racism. I dropped T &C because I got tired of almost never seeing any POC, then picked it up again because they started featuring POC who were prominent and elite and I liked the articles. I dropped MORE which was targeted towards women over 40 because they almost never had any WOC and I wrote and complained. I still see no change. I dropped Seventeen around age 15 and stopped Glamour and Mademoiselle when I left college. What is problematic, is Glamour and Mademoiselle’s demo is college women, they have writing and essay contests and pretty good info on interviewing, colleges, entering the world of work, etc. But you are hard pressed to see WOC inside the magazine. The other issue is that they have huge readership bases and they influence the attitudes women have about themselves and each other. So when they neglect or refuse to dialogue about race, it perpetuates the same old relationships we as women have had for years and negates and dismisses Black women’s issues.

    I was thrilled when Essence was created and Ebony has revamped itself and is much more like a womans mag than a family mag. Interestingly, I dropped Oprah’s mag O, I could not relate to the esoteric, quasi-new age, self help orientation. I really did not have that many problems and didn’t want to look that deep. I was not inspired, I was bored and the fashion was mostly too expensive. I kinda felt that O was really more of a white woman’s mag as well, although I have friends who read it faithfully. I like Vogue even though I get mad with it on a regular basis, but they have Andre Leon Talley, who gets real periodically. I also read InStyle (picture book) and Allure (picture book) more for my consulting work. Dropped Elle when they stopped covering french things and it became just another WW mag with a french name. Liked it when it first came out and it really was more like French Elle. Dropped Martha Stewart for Real Simple and the rest of the pile is Traditional Home, Chesapeake Home and Colonial Home.

  37. bdsista wrote:

    Oh and can I add that Beyonce’s hair is a lace front wig. There is a whole shift in hair biz in the Black community over these things. You can order them direct from china and they cover your entire head. A lot of actresses of all colors wear them, but Janet, Beyonce, Eva, Tyra, Paris, Lindsey, Christina, Rhianna, etc. all wear these wigs that glue onto your scalp and cover your whole head. What I’m hearing as a positive is it allows your hair to grow. My friends mom has dropped chemicals altogether. The downside, is it perpetuates the white beauty standard because technically you are wearing long, straight, dyed, Asian Hair. It still takes away from the beauty of braids, locs, dreads, etc. But most mainstream folk don’t know about this.

  38. Orville wrote:

    O magazine is definitely a white woman’s magazine even though Oprah is on the cover. I think Essence is perhaps one of the best magazines out there. Although a girl I know mentioned that she notices even in Essence there are so many ads for perm and weaves and all that stuff. But overall Essence is succeeding, thriving, making money.

    The one area I find odd about Essence is the issue of hair politics. Essence makes its advertising dollars selling to black women products on how to get their hair straight and all that.
    I remember I was at the public library and I decided to check it out. I was shocked that the articles were ever much about the upper class. But I guess it is just business Oprah is a shrewd businesswoman and she’s targeting her main market white upper class women. Oprah definitely isn’t targeting black women anymore.

  39. coco wrote:

    When is Glamour going to hold itself, accountable for the images it publishes, and the limited range of beauty options it promotes?

    The problem was that the magazine produced an editor with an intolerant beauty standard, but the panel discussion didn’t address how Glamour was going to prevent that from happening again.

    I expected to hear from the editors — possibly something about a commitment to inclusiveness…to educating themselves about a wider range of beauty options…to publishing spreads with hair and makeup tips that don’t require straight hair or light skin, etc.

    Instead, they passed the ball to other women. No one from editorial spoke up about what they were going to do about the beauty messages coming out of their publication.

    That’s why the article fell flat for me.

    also posted at: Glamour Comments

  40. Michelle wrote:

    I canceled my Glamour subscription after the “attorney incident” — I only had a subscription to Glamour bc Jane folded and it defaulted to that… I’m still very glad they did. Probably won’t ever pick it up again.

    Picking up with what a lot of you are mentioning, personally, Essence is extremely trite to me. It’s owned by Time Inc., therefore I’m SURE they’re told that there are certain topics they can’t discuss, certain points of view they can’t assert or give light to… this is why media consolidation is BAD. The magazine reads as though some old suit dictates their editorial meetings with a fear of scaring/pissing off advertisers and drumming up negative press. I’m not saying that Essence or O (Hearst) would be better if they were owned by smaller companies or black-owned publishers, but I’m sure they would probably be able to get away with more, and possibly abandon their dependence on hair care — oops, I mean ethnic guilt products — for advertising revenue.

  41. Tara wrote:

    Cynthia and all -

    Maybe if you don’t relate to “those” magazines, its because you’re an awesome, intelligent woman. I’m white, but strangely have never felt like I “related” or was even from the same universe as the target of “66 Ways to Blow Your Man” and so forth. Really, they’re marketing to a very select group of white women - young, college-ish, insecure, etc. If you don’t relate, it’s a good thing.

    BUT - I, of course, see the disparity between my ability to at least see that the magazine acknowledges women who appear similar to me and the experience of women of color. For any white person, it’s never hard to find white priviledge - like in cosmetics department, etc, which goes back to white beauty ideal. I agree with other supporters that that ideal is most discriminatory [OBVIOUSLY] to women of color, but is still discriminatory to just about any white woman. Maybe it seems like crazy surgery, bleach, etc. would make it achievable [what’s that insane Swan show?], but it’s not. Of course, my hope is that white women wouldn’t resort to that, but they do saw themselves up to try and fit that ideal, only to find they’re still a normal person.

    But - after much diversion - my point is that this was an awesome post. I’m not surprised by Glamour - I mean, who expected this type publication to seriously address the complexities of race and beauty standards? They make their money playing off the insecurities, selling “cures” for too-round bodies and teaching women how to be everything their man wants (who cares what she wants?).

  42. DivergentDana wrote:

    “The problem was that the magazine produced an editor with an intolerant beauty standard, but the panel discussion didn’t address how Glamour was going to prevent that from happening again.”

    She was a staffer, not an editor… big difference.

  43. jen* wrote:

    I was excited to see that there would actually be a discussion on race in Glamour, and I wondered how they would handle it. I actually saved it until last to read, when I had time to fully digest it. I guess I’d built it up in my mind that this was the beginning of turning over a new [more inclusive] leaf.

    Instead, I got more of the same trite responses, shallow dialog, and no real conclusion at the end of the whole dog and pony show it turned out to be. Needless to say, I was sorely disappointed.

    The sidebars just introduced confusion for me. But I’m still not sure how I feel about the white woman who wanted a big butt - to be like those “ultra-sexy” black girls at her school. I’m pretty sure I could’ve done without that one.

  44. Globalistgirl wrote:

    Jill wrote:

    “I haven’t read Glamour in ages, either, because it feeds into the idea that it’s not enough to be white - I have to be tall and thin and tan and dress well and have straight hair (mine is very curly).”

    This made me laugh out loud - maybe I’m just cynical, but I get the feeling the beauty industry is out to trick us all into thinking we’re not pretty enough naturally. (I have arrow-straight hair and have always thought Americans think it should be curly, and likewise, tan I will never be. But I’ll be damned if I’m getting skin cancer to make someone else happy with my skin tone.) In some cases it may be easier to do than others, because there are cultural ideas floating around that you can reinforce about some groups of women being less pretty than others, but it doesn’t seem like *anyone* is pretty enough. No matter who you are, you’re being told that! There’s always something wrong, which if you only could fix would bring you fame, fortune and good-looking men falling from the sky. I’m not always this cynical about it - I like looking sharp, and I like others who bother putting on more than pajamas or shorts and a t-shirt when rolling out of bed, but that is not synonymous with everyone being proclaimed ugly with only degrees of uglyness separating us.

    I’m glad I read this, so when I enter the corporate world I can be ready to counter opinions about natural hair on black women. God knows I’m too lazy to get my hair into a bob every morning (and my hair isn’t far from that naturally!) as I’m busy eating most of the time I have before work. (As you might have guessed, I read no fashion or lifestyle magazines at all.) All women should be free to be as fussy or lax on their beauty concerns as they wish, and the more people speak up to say so, the closer we can all get to doing what we want and no more.

    I think the American obsession with thinness has to do with, fundamentally, food. American food is pretty much destined to make you fat unless you have a very high metabolism, which I think accounts for the dearth of medically normal-weighted women who aren’t skinny in a boy-like way. I see a lot of food and weight hysteria going on here, with large parts of the population having really no idea of what human beings are supposed to eat, and thus they get obsessed with being skinny because it seems like a miracle to be so. It certainly isn’t true that white women do not have figures, big breasts or big butts. I don’t know that much about the existence or non-existance of figures worldwide, but this idea that white = skinny and the converse I’ve only seen in the US. I’m still confused as to what skin color has to do with having a figure - doesn’t that vary much more among women with the same genetic heritage than between groups of women as a whole?

  45. Chrissy wrote:

    This is all so disturbing. I have seen beautiful people of every race and ethnicity and every combination thereof. I wish people would stop beating around the bush and call this what it is:racism. The goal of racism is perpetuate an idea that is false and make it so permanately imbedded in the unconscious mind that is accepted as true, while systematically alienating those who are viewed as a direct threat. In recent history there has been an acknowledgement of physical traits (larger, rounder behinds and fuller, thicker lips) that are typical in ethnic women are indeed beautiful and preferred by men. This is in direct opposition the European standard that has been promoted in Western and Western influenced cultures. As a result, cosmetic procedures and surgery became tools for those who do not naturally possess these characteristics to acquire them. This also brought attention to those who do possess these characteristics naturally. Apparently it is fear that those (women in particular) who posess these “ethnic” features could one day be the standard of beauty has lead to all out media blitz that has (once again) sought to promote a European partrician appearance. All of this at a time when ethnic women are becoming better educated and more financially independent with more resources and access to opportunities (and men) that were once off limits. I really wish we would address racism for what it is:a tatic to keep all of us for seeing ourselves as we truly are.

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