Jessica Alba Talks to Elle Magazine about Race in Hollywood

by Racialicious Special Correspondent Latoya Peterson

Really, I say, has your skin color hindered you that much?

Alba shoots me an exasperated look.

Yeah, I could let this be the beginning and the end of this post. Jessica Alba is being interviewed by Andrew Goldman in the February issue of Elle Magazine and he poses the question to launch a thousand eye rolls.

Hello - have you read the last 50 or so interviews with any woman of color in the film industry?

Everyone from Maggie Q to Nia Long has complained about the lack of good roles for non-white folks. More times out of not, you’re auditioning for a niche role in an indie film that targets xxx community, competing for a high profile role playing a stereotype, or trying to nail the audition and convince the director that you can add your own brown flavor to the film and still make it work.

Still, I must admit, the coverline did hook me a bit: “Jessica Alba on race in Hollywood, using sex to get ahead, and why actors make bad boyfriends.”

Considering Perez Hilton’s long term diatribe against her and the professional penalty actors may pay when they find themselves speaking out against domestic injustices, Alba was the last person I expected to go on the record about her feelings on race. I wondered if the text would be some watered down version of “It’s not about my race, it’s about talent.”

A page or so into the article, it becomes clear that Alba has not been drinking the Tiger Woods Kool-Aid:

As assimilated as Alba’s upbringing was, she never felt there was a well-defined place for her in Hollywood. “Nobody really knew what to do with me,” she says. “Everyone wants to categorize you and pigeonhole you. I’m half Latin, but I grew up in the States, and I can’t get roles playing a Latina because I don’t speak Spanish. And I didn’t want to be the best friend, or the promiscuous girl, or the maid, because those stereotypes still exist with Latin roles. I wanted to be a leading lady. And I thought that because I have brown skin shouldn’t make any difference. Why should only Aryan-looking girls be that girl?”

Really, I say, has your skin color hindered you that much?

Alba shoots me an exasperated look. “How many leading leadies are you aware of?” she says. “Lindsay Lohan, Kate Bosworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jessical Biel, Rachel McAdams. We have Jennifer Lopez, Halle Berry, me, and who else?”

Uh, Eva Mendes?

“Mendes,” she says flatly. “But is Mendes greenlighting movies?”

A good point.

So often in these kind of conversations, people only look at the superficial representation of the problem (As in, “But I know of at least three black characters on major shows! Why is this such a big deal?) rather than thinking about the power dynamics in the entertainment industry. The reporter in this piece implies that she is exagerating the problem by quickly naming another lead woman of color - without thinking about how representation without power or influence is kind of a hollow victory.

What is most telling about this piece - whether it was by whim of the reporter or whim of the editor - is that after Alba makes a critical point power and race, the piece jumps to her personal history.

Her question to the reporter is left hanging.

Seven paragraphs later, the piece ends. Race is never mentioned again.

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Comments

  1. Cynthia wrote:

    “…or trying to nail the audition and convince the director that you can add your own brown flavor to the film and still make it work.”

    Is “brown” the term of ALL non-white women now? I thought “brown” referred to Latino/as in the US and South Asians in Canada. Not sure if East Asian women want to be called “brown.”

  2. bradski wrote:

    Cynthia,

    Jessica Alba has brown skin. She refers to herself and is well aware of how others perceive her and the realities of Hollywood.

    I think Alba’s criticism takes me back to the problem I had with Angelina Jolie’s portrayal of Mariane Pearl. There are plenty of brown-skinned actresses who could have played the role. They were all shut out of one of the few, big movie roles that revolved around a woman of color.

    Alba should be applauded for speaking directly to the issue and not sugar coating it. Until people of color have the resources and power to make decisions about casting and production of major content, few roles will exist.

    Look at the number of Asian American actors who have had to travel to Asia for their big breaks in film and television. Some of them didn’t speak the language of the countries where they found success but managed to push through to start a career.

  3. Kenny wrote:

    Good to see Alba hasn’t been fooled by the Holywood trickery. Many of her characters are White . I wonder if she will ever have a Latin leading man.

  4. Ike wrote:

    Can’t speak for anyone else, but if you want to include me in “brown”, I’m cool with that.

  5. Cynthia wrote:

    Thandi Newton (spelling?) would have been the only actress I can think of who would have made a good Marianne Pearl. In any case, we can’t always look at race issues from a North American perspective. Please realize that Marianne grew up in Europe, and their views on race aren’t necessarily the same as ours. Marianne proably isn’t too upset with this, if at all, since she attended the premiere and I believe had something to do with the production. She could have disassociated with the film completely if she had been upset with the casting choice. Anyway, I know people who get upset at when I call myself an Old Girl of my high school. “Old Girl” is the term that the school, and many other similar schools (usually single-sex) in the British Commonwealth. Males are Old Boys. I don’t see how it’s all that terribly upseting/sexist/agist to use the term. To put it in a more common perspective: it’s like Asian Americans/Canadians getting upset at the word “Oriental.” It’s still perfectly non-racist in the UK. “Oriental”=East Asian there. Asian in the UK is “South Asian” to us.

  6. Gregory A. Butler wrote:

    I’m quite pleasantly suprised to see Jessica Alba of all people speaking out against racism in Hollywood!!!

    It kinda makes sense though - just read through a lot of the articles about her in White men’s magazines - they’re shot through with the worst kind of sexualized racial fetishizing.

    I guess she’s been reading her press clippings, and finally had enough!!!

  7. e wrote:

    VivirLatino had some discussion about Alba’s previously stated race thoughts:
    http://vivirlatino.com/2007/06/15/jessica-albas-got-something-to-say-about-mexicans.php

    In most places I’ve read, Alba’s consistently avoided matters of race. I’m hopeful she’s seeing some positives to her mixed ethnicity beyond what jobs she’ll get.

  8. Dan wrote:

    Cynthia, nice call on Thandie Newton.

    I was also wondering if a European actress like Alex Kingston was cast as Marianne Pearl if there would be such a controversy.

    On Jessica, I’m not saying she hasn’t lost roles for being ‘too brown’, but come on, it’s Hollywood.

    She wouldn’t be where she is now without her looks and (maybe more importantly) shape. I’ve seen better acting from Sara Ramirez (Grey’s Anatomy) and America Ferrera (Ugly Betty) and they don’t seem to be getting many leading lady roles.

    She also seems to forget about Eva Longoria, Penélope Cruz, and most importantly Salma Hayek. Ms. Hayek has moved from actress to producer and is creating positive roles for latinas.

    Maybe she should try less ‘exasperated looks’ and follow Salma’s lead and produce films?

  9. Kenda wrote:

    Dan, Jessica should not be relegated to a spot behind the cameras if she wants to be a leading lady. Hollywood is what needs to change, not her and her brown skin.

  10. tasha wrote:

    Other than being passed over for period pieces or WASP tales, I can’t really appreciate how Jessica’s appearance has hindered her career. After all, she was cast as Sue Storm, wasn’t she? No one looks at Jessica Alba and thinks that her being half Latina would threaten box office or magazine sales, the way they would a Black actress. On the one hand I’m aware of how race may be an obstacle in the way of her getting certain roles, but on the other hand, because of her high profile, I’m tempted to think that her lack luster body of work is more of a hinderance to her being considered a more serious actress than race. Of course you could argue that race has impacted her body of work, as far as what parts she’s been offered, but there are Black actresses, like Naomie Harris and Sophie Okonedo, that aren’t showered with magazine covers and editorials every other week like Alba, yet have managed to rack up impressive, memorable roles in both British and American tv and film.

  11. Alston wrote:

    Dan,

    She’s still young yet. She could grow into such a commanding role.

  12. Colin wrote:

    Personally, I haven’t seen particularly GREAT acting from Alba in movies nor on TV. So I do not have reason to doubt race would play a huge part in what roles she doesn’t get, I just know if I were doing, let’s say Macbeth, she would not be on my top 20 list to play Lady Macbeth, even if she has played the role before.

  13. kristen wrote:

    i would ask everyone to check out Unapologetic Mexican to see some more of Ms. Alba’s thoughts on being Latina or “brown”.

    I couldn’t believe what i read

    and oh yes, i could care less about this chick

  14. Carolyn A.-B. wrote:

    I’m glad to see Ms. Alba address the inequities in Tinseltown. But I think there is a bottom line and that is beauty, and having a certain beauty that is appreciated by whites.
    This is why slender actresses (not Ms. Ramirez or Ms. Ferrara) and those with straight hair, smaller noses and lighter skin (not Rosie Perez) are preferred by casting agents. Lucy Liu gets the sexy roles that Ming-na doesn’t; Halle Berry plays the love interest, yet Queen Latifah doesn’t. Who in America ever got to see Marianne Sagebrecht again after she stole our hearts in “Bagdad Cafe”? Why do we so seldom see her co-star, CCH Pounder, a major talent?
    Yet just look at how hard Vanity Fair magazine tries to sell us on Diane Kruger and Gretchen Moll!
    It ain’t about the talent. Looks are a wonderful distraction, but I’d love to see more talented actresses, not just pretty ones.
    (By the way, Penelope Cruz is a Spaniard like her countrymen Antonio Banderas and Javier Bardem. They are not Latinos or Hispanics.)

  15. Phil C. wrote:

    I’m also glad to see Ms. Alba address the inequities in Tinseltown, too. She obviously is consciously aware of such things. I was an extra on Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, which was shot in Vancouver, & I noticed she acknowledged the few people of colour on set, including me. (In the beginning of the film, the outdoor ‘nightclub’ scene when you see her walk with her co-star, and you see a shoulder go by, that was my shoulder in the scene!).

  16. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Kristen -

    Nezua has written some very thoughtful posts about this. Thank you for bringing them to my attention.

    I encourage everyone to read them:

    http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/06/the_apologetic_unmexicana.html
    http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/08/laptop_revolutionary_back_from_yearlykos_6.html
    http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/10/death_in_the_passing_lane_white_lens_8.html

    If there are others I did not see, please feel free to leave them here.

    Also, thanks to e for the VivirLatino links.

  17. Bianca Reagan wrote:

    I read the part of the article that Elle had on their website. I’m more offended by the predatory way that Andrew Goldman writes about Jessica Alba. Not like she is a talented performer, but more like she’s simply a Maxim girl who shocks him by actually having a brain.

    “Walker seems to have been similarly taken when he told a reporter in 2006 that “I couldn’t take my eyes off that ass. I’m sorry. She’s beautiful,” and went on to describe Alba not as the consummate actress, but rather as “the kind of girl you want to have angry sex with for the rest of your life.” Nice. ”

    Ew.

  18. Morgan wrote:

    if it was anyone else besides Jessica Alba. . . didn’t she admit at one point that she’s a mediocre actress who gets parts based on her body? Of course, that doesn’t stop the media from selling her as a big-tuchased Latina tigress with some leopard-print thong shot.

  19. hbsoul wrote:

    thanks for enlightening everyone on the “latina” penelope cruz, carolyn.

  20. Jeremy Pierce wrote:

    The fact that she played such a mainstream role in Fantastic Four doesn’t undermine the claim that it’s harder for her to get such roles than it is for people who are more white. Even if it’s a high-profile role, it’s just one role. She may have been turned down for many roles and been told that her skin is too dark. Getting the Invisible Woman role is perfectly consistent with that.

    I do think the fact that she had that role is a good sign that things are getting better. It’s a very white role. They had to dye her hair blond, although they forgot the eyebrows, so it looks pretty fake. Her skin is light enough that it would have been fine otherwise. Many white people have skin as dark as hers, including some with blond hair, and many tan themselves to be that dark also.

  21. Orville wrote:

    I applaud Jessica Alba for having the courage to speak the truth. We know how hard it is for non white women in Hollywood. I am glad she spoke her mind and talked about this very important issue.

    Latoya bravo for breaking the piece down! You are an amazing writer.

  22. Orville wrote:

    Penelope Cruz may be Latin but remember Penelope is a white woman she is a Spaniard from Spain. I understand in the United States the USA racial classification system like to lump in Spaniards with American Latinos but there is a major difference. For one, Penelope Cruz and Paz Vega are Europeans born in Europe and a part of the European Union. In Europe the Europeans consider the Spaniards to be white people. And in Spain the Spaniards also view themselves as white because they are.

  23. Orville wrote:

    I also wanted to add the Spanish spoken in Spain the accent is different then in the United States or Latin America. The Spaniards are Europeans.

  24. tasha wrote:

    I disagree Jeremy. The fact that she was even considered for that role, in such a mainstream commercial film, says a lot about her marketability and the latitude that she’s given despite her not being completely white. A Black actress would have never gotten the part of Sue Storm. I don’t think race is as much of an obstacle in the way of Alba getting more serious parts as the way she’s perceived in the industry as a light weight, and who’s fault is that really? Look at Kerry Washington. Kerry’s Black, but when you compare Kerry’s body of work to Jessica’s, one definitely appears to have more acting chops than the other, and Kerry’s much darker and isn’t on mainstream magazine covers and in tv cosmetics ads every time you turn around like Jessica Alba. Kerry doesn’t get nearly as much exposure yet has done more memorable work, starring in Oscar nominated films like Ray, Last King of Scotland, and yes, Fantastic Four, and even screwball comedies like that Wayans Bros. movie. America Ferrera is at least 40 lbs. heavier than Alba and she has a Golden Globe and critical accliam for her roles on Ugly Betty, Real Women Have Curves, The Sisterhood the Traveling Pants, etc. Look at Rosario Dawson and her body of work compared to Alba’s or Zoe Saldana’s body of work compared to Jessica Alba’s. Rosario and Zoe are browner than Jessica. Colin’s right. If I’m casting Lady MacBeth, she’s not high on the list, and it isn’t because of her race.

  25. Nicole wrote:

    Orville, I think your statements demonstrate exactly the type of logic that plagues Latinas and perpetuates racialization.

    You speak of whiteness as if it is uncontested or irrefutable. This is a very Eurocentric position that fails to consider “white” as itself a constructed category. Assuming the epistemic validity of “white” encourages its use as the standard against which all people are compared.

    In reality one cannot determine if Penelope is any more “white” than Salma or anyone else. But people insist that it is logical to discuss race and categorize individuals according to the binary opposition of “white” and everything else, which is therefore “non-white.”

    This logic allows comparisons between artificial categories, encouraging bogus hierarchies and the stereotypes that follow.

  26. LeAnne@hairsmystory wrote:

    She actually said more than I would have expected her to. I thought she was going to outright deny that she is latino. But, it’s not my place to say. I’m not latino, so I personally don’t care nor do I feel the entitlement to care. I cannot comment on how I feel that latinos should act or should identify themselves in the media. Also, I’m not Jessica Alba.

    Although, I do find her sugarcoating of her more “ethnic roots” to be quite bizarre. But, at least she put that asian rumor to rest. Ain’t nothing about this chick japanese or filipino
    hairsmystory.com

  27. dorothy@WUB wrote:

    I think its pretty telling that she got the part on Fantasic 4 with blonde hair. The truth is the better roles go to white woman not because their more attractive than black, latin and asain women. But because thats what Hollywood thinks the world wants to see or maybe thats just what the directors want to see or maybe thats just the choice that required the least brain power to think up. Of course if that was true than every Nicole Kidman and Gweynth Paltrow movie wouldn’t be such huge bombs at the box office.

    As for Jessica besides Dark Angel she really hasn’t displayed much acting chops. I do think shes capable of portraying characters with more depth and but Jessica is doing really smart movie roles. High profile actions and comedies that are going to make her a ton of money and increase her visibility.

  28. SolShine7 wrote:

    Jessica Alba deserves a hat tip for her bold comments. And I agree with Dorothty, Alba’s best role yet was Max in Dark Angel. But she’s got potential. Hopefully, she gets some good roles.

  29. Derek wrote:

    I read that she said in a magazine interview that she doesn’t identify with her latin roots since she is only half mexican and only her paternal grandfather speaks Spanish blah blah blah…Now she complains about being too dark to get the kind of jobs she wants in Hollywood? I am so confused…

  30. Jeremy Pierce wrote:

    Derek, those statements are perfectly consistent. She doesn’t identify culturally with the Latino tradition, but she does look dark enough for people to be more hesitant at giving her certain roles. One is an issue of what culture she sees as hers, and the other is an issue of how people see her from looking at her. Why should those always go in the same direction?

  31. Emma wrote:

    Maybe she should stop using the excuse of her race as the reason why she finds it difficult to get good roles. Honestly, she’s an awful actress!! If she wants to be taken more seriously, then maybe she should stop posing half naked any chance she can get and concentrate more on getting some acting lessons! And if she says she doesn’t identify with the latino community, then so be it! She grew up in America, never learned Spanish and was never exposed to latin traditions. It’s a lot more refreshing than someone who milks the fact that they’re of a certain origin although they might never have visited the country nor can they speak the language, just to appeal to a certain market whenever they feel like it! Ahem, Christina Aguilera!!

  32. Ventimiglia wrote:

    I want to comment about some of what I have read here. There is something called “el mestizaje en europa” (the mix of races in Europe), especially in Spain. If you see Penelope’s father and Javier Bardem’s mother, they could be considered mestice by their physic, but, they are Europeans. On the other hand I have met people in the U.S.A who looks like nordic physically, but, they have Native American heritage and socially they are considered Caucasian. I have read…that Arabians are considered white. There are also white people in South America, North America, the Caribbean, which are considered hispanic or Latinos and are of european ancestry. Being borned in Spain does not guarantee the purity of the race. I think that many people are not aware of the migration in Europe and all the mixture of races and new Europeans. I read someone made the distinction of the accent. The Canary Islands is also Spain. Their accent is similar to some of South America countries. In the United States the tone of the skin is very important. James Garder was considered white and he had native american ancestry. Who is the expert to catalogue somebody and stamp their race by the place someone is born, by the tone of their skin, by his accent? Maybe the expert is DNA.

  33. Theresa wrote:

    I am peruvian, hungarian, polish and german. But i am naturally tan, all year.

    A week ago, I was called a spic as a “joke”. But i didn’t laugh, not because i was offended but because of how dumb society really is and how much they base their opinions or really their intelligence on color.

    Jessica Alba, for all you jealous ladies, is a very talented actress. She TOOK acting classes at a young age and has been in major movies since. Of course she is going to express her agitated opinions for being turned down for color. SO WHAT if she hasn’t been to mexico or can’t speak spanish…The girl’s upset because she’s being turned down for roles that are based on white women and SHE CAN EXPRESS it all she wants.

  34. Tom wrote:

    yes it’s true Jessica Alba can’t easily be pigeonholed in the roles she plays and fitting her with blue contact lenses and coloring her hair just serves just to highlight the lack of new ideas in the entertainment industry at present, I’m glad she broke the mould it’s an opportunity for the industry to use it’s imagination again and forget the stereotype and generate more new and interesting characters worthy of her talent.

  35. Ty wrote:

    The funny thing ius that jessica can’t act her way out of paper bag and is in a very privileged position for a no talent girl, who bitches about some sort of implied racism. It’s always the privileged who get to spout off, about sexism, racism, yada, yada, but the real people whop are poor and working till they die have no voice, and they are of all races and sexes and whatevers.
    The poor girl whould go to acting school or retire or something as she is merely eye-candy

  36. DivergentDana wrote:

    I hate that whole “work harder” mantra. Not because I believe it’s bad to do that, but because I know that most people of any given group are mediocre, and I feel that they should be allowed to be, instead of being expected to reward any discriminatory industry by being the best with and for less. It’s just not fair for a non-white actress to be expected to be head and shoulders above her colleagues to get a comparable amount of work. Sure, she’s eye candy… and she should get the same amount of opportunities to be eye candy that Jessica Biel and the rest of the talent-challenged, pneumatic starlets get.

  37. Levitika Christiyani wrote:

    I think Jessica Alba can’t easily be pigeonholed in the roles she plays and fitting her with blue contact lenses and coloring her hair just serves just to highlight the lack of new ideas in the entertainment industry.Jessica Alba is a beautifull woman in Hollywood. Jessica Alba, for all you jealous ladies, is a very talented actress. She TOOK acting classes at a young age and has been in major movies since. Of course she is going to express her agitated opinions for being turned down for color.

  38. Krystian Kowalczyk wrote:

    I have to say, I prefer my women Aryan-looking (i.e. Scarlet Johanson=perfect). But Alba is stunning by any standards. That her color is the only thing holding her back is a shame.

    As for her talent, the only complaint I have is that she hasn’t really been given any roles that do her abilities justice. A crying shame indeed. I guess she has a fair point about the race thing.

  39. Crystal wrote:

    It is fine that you prefer your women more Aryan looking, but some people don’t prefer Aryan looking women. So it is not fair for Hollywood to cater to a few. And maybe that is the problem, many casting directors prefer white women, and that is way women of color can not find jobs in Hollywood. We as Americans need to open our eyes to the the fact that beauty, and TALENT comes in all colors.

  40. Opal Ellyse wrote:

    I love that Jessica Alba had the guts to speak on the issue, I like just about all of her movies, and she is on top right now, so for her to speak on this without the sugar coating means she is conscious. I don’t mind the term “brown” at all, I’m biracial myself (black and white), I think that her saying “brown” is uniting all of us, and including us all together because let’s face it, there is a major double standard in Hollywood and it’s not just a black/white thing. . .it’s Latinas, Asians, Middle Eastern, Native American, all non whites. . .yeah she spoke for more of us by saying “brown” than just Latina. . .that says bundles. Go Jessica! more power to ya girl:)

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