What’s race between friends?

by guest contributor Tami, originally published at What Tami Said

The social construct we call race is complicated, but there are a few things about it that I know to be true. One thing is that everyone who grows up in this country absorbs some prejudice–everyone, no matter their race. Also, many people have no real relationships with anyone outside of their own culture. Most racial misunderstandings are borne of ignorance not malice. As a woman of color, I try to keep that truth in mind. Nevertheless, last year I lost a good friend. And our parting can be blamed on race–biases that I felt my friend was unwilling to examine and that I was unable to forgive.

There were other strains on my end of our friendship. My friend, let’s call her Mona, could be overbearing and self-centered, and she possessed a frankness that sometimes crossed the line to rudeness. But to be honest, that was part of her charm. When we met, we were both working for a large public relations agency. I liked Mona the minute I met her. I have a soft spot for misfits, and she didn’t fit in with the agency types–those skinny, stylish girls with their Kate Spade bags and rich daddies. Neither did I. Mona was smart, loud, sassy and a little hippie dippy. She liked to talk about past lives and “bad energy,” and she would rail against the patriarchy and “the man.” While I philosophically talked about politics, she would get in the trenches and volunteer to help Democratic campaigns in other cities. Mona and I became good friends.

It occurred to me sometimes that my friend’s “power to the people” ideology was somewhat theoretical. I knew she had other friends of color, but I also knew that they were like me–educated and assimilated–friends who could slip easily into the mainstream. But aren’t we all most comfortable with people who share our interests, values and likes? Race was not a precious topic between Mona and I. We discussed it openly. I explained the black women and hair thing. She talked about what it was like as a white woman to date black men. Then something changed.

About a year and a half into our friendship, Mona moved away to Washington, D.C. and I gradually began to sense that life in that black city was changing my friend. She seemed hardened and less tolerant. Maybe for her, familiarity bred contempt. Estrangement began with a comment here and there. There was the remark about a colleague that was a black woman but really sharp and pretty. Then something about how she usually didn’t get along with Jewish women. Then, Katrina happened.

I was horrified watching civilization fall apart in New Orleans–people begging for water, bodies floating, towns keeping neighbors from crossing bridges to safety, the media labeling American citizens “refugees,” and our president congratulating the inept crony who failed to grasp the magnitude of the whole disaster. In the aftermath, I talked to Mona on the phone. “Yeah, I sent money to the animal shelters down there,” she said, adding “but I didn’t send any money to those fucking people.”

Those fucking people. Her words felt like a slap. I wondered if she meant those fucking poor people or those fucking black people. I didn’t like it either way. I realize that internal and external factors affect one’s situation in life. But those desperate people on my television set didn’t need a lecture or contempt. They needed compassion. Though I sat warm and safe in a home more than 1,000 miles north of the Gulf, I identified with the Katrina survivors–those forgotten and inconvenient black people. And I felt attacked by my friend’s inhumane position. We spoke for a long time that evening about poverty and race, but Mona failed to muster much sympathy for the victims of the hurricane. I hung up the phone feeling anxious and sad.

Some people would have ended the relationship there, I know. But I knew Mona as a friend who had always been generous, supportive and good to me. Her recent comments didn’t square with the person I had known for years–the good liberal who had a guru and took annual treks to commune with nature in the mountains. We spoke sporadically over the following months, then it ended with one last phone call. We were speaking on the run, as long-distance friends often do. I was in the drive-thru at the neighborhood Dairy Queen and Mona was running some errand hundreds of miles away, annoyed she said by D.C.’s celebration of “fucking” Emancipation Day, a commemoration of the day the city’s slaves were freed. “Everything is closed. It’s ridiculous!” She said. “Between this, the Duke case and Don Imus, I’m getting really sick of this shit.” I didn’t have to ask what shit that was.

I ended that conversation quickly and I haven’t spoken with Mona since, though she has left a few messages. I just let the figurative and literal distance grow between us. I feel like a coward for not confronting her and telling her why we can’t be friends. Maybe she agrees. Maybe she was finding our discussions about race difficult and frustrating. I never asked. I feel guilty, like I betrayed people of color by not getting angry, not slamming the phone down at the first sign of my friend’s prejudice, not immediately thinking Mona was a bad person–a racist. But what would that have solved? I am old enough to know that a lot of good people have screwed up beliefs about other races. You don’t educate people and change minds by walking away. But I did walk away. It’s just easier not to talk about race, isn’t it?

I don’t hate Mona. In fact, as I write this, I feel a little protective, like I’ve painted her too negatively. In addition to doing the things that ended our friendship, Mona wrangled the photographer at my wedding, listened to me kvetch and moan when corporate life got to me, stayed on the phone with me during a late night hysterical drive from Chicago to Atlanta (don’t ask), called herself my husband’s “football wife” because she likes to talk about the NFL as much as he does. She did a lot of good things. And I miss her. I tried to understand her. I tried to educate her. I just couldn’t accept feeling that someone who was dear to me held my people in disdain, even as she called me friend.

I wish race weren’t so damned complicated.

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Comments

  1. tmj707 wrote:

    This is a way deep post. I’m sure you’ll hear alot of this but: you should have told her. Told her after Katrina. Even if she didn’t get it, she would’ve got that you were upset with her words and thoughts etc. So when it came down the the Emancipation convo, she either could’ve toned it down, or you all would’ve had a SERIOUS convo about why her thoughts on race/black folks had changed.

    But honestly, a lot of white people find it easy to be “liberal” in white neighborhoods. When they are confronted by the results of their white privilege while living amongst Black folks (poverty, inequality, poor education & schools and the list goes on), their white guilt kicks in as a defense mode tactic and there you go.

    I think this friendship could be saved, but it would take a lot of work. But I don’t fault you for not wanting to do that work–that shyte is tiring!!!!! You are married, prolly have other friends…
    Is it really our job to educate white folks on some stuff they REPEATEDLY REFUSE and don’t really want to learn? No. But…if you miss her…

  2. Ange wrote:

    You have not painted her negatively, this Mona is not the “new Mona”. She is/was always That Mona, you for whatever reasons chose not to see it. Rule # 1: Don’t form friendships with women (especially white women) who considers themselves misfits. Rule #2: See rule number 1.

    What I know of this culture(was not born or raised here) from my observations, is that people crave acceptance and inclusion. As much as she pretended not to want to be like THOSE girls (the skinny ones with daddy’s money). She secretly and desparately wanted to be accepted by them and to be a part of their clique.

    Instead what did she get, YOU, the “poor little black girl” So she moves to DC, encountering a lot of poor and working class Blacks, and poor little Mona’s racist attitudes just can’t lie dormant anymore.

    If the skinny daddy’s girls had invited her to be a part of their little circle, she would have dropped you a long time ago. The only reason she keeps calling is because white women don’t handle rejection well. It wouldn’t have been a big deal if she cut you off first. You will be better off without her in your life. She is pathetic, maybe it would have been better to form a frienship with one of the skinny women. At least with them, there is no pretending, you know exactly what they are all about. God I dislike the Mona types.

  3. SF Mom wrote:

    You miss her?? You must be a very patient and forgiving person to have kept the friendship going that long. Where did her humanity go?

    My mother is currently transitioning from a warm and caring person to a right-wing conservative who likes to rail against all those “illegals” who (in her mind) are taking the silver spoon out of her mouth. I try to discuss her positions with her, try to draw the line so she does not offend my spouse, the son of immigrant farmworkers, or our children. But if she doesn’t stop, distance is the only thing I can do. She has to know that she is saying things that hurt us, just as your ex-friend had to know it. It is a choice they are making.

  4. georgia wrote:

    Ange your post sounds more pathetic than the one sided description of “Mona”.

    Am I to understand that minorities deserve compassion and understanding and to be judged for who they are as individuals, yet “skinny” white women do not.

    I’m not white, but I am a woman, and I am “skinny” so I find it annoying when “chubbies” make general statements about us and assume all thinness is not natural or some sort of fashion statement.

    I also wouldn’t jump to hate Mona. Friendships are complicated and trying to explain their downfall is next to impossible. She may no longer be the person that Tami wanted her to be, but I she states the she doesn’t hate Mona, and readers to have an reason to hate her or “those people like her” either.

  5. UGh wrote:

    Uh yeah, I am non-confrontational but I do call my FRIENDS on their BS. If a person is truly your friend you call them on their BS.

  6. B wrote:

    Thanks for the post. I think your response to the situation was appropriate. A few years ago, responded to similar situations in a more confrontational way, and it wasn’t worth it–the friendship ended, but in an ugly, drawn-out way as opposed to your tapering off.

  7. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Hey Tami -

    Great post. I feel you on growing apart from friends who start to articulate beliefs and prejudices. It is hard, hard, hard. I wonder if that is why so many people insulate within their own respective groups. If everyone I know thinks like me, I won’t have to deal with mess like this…

    I think some of the issues that come up with interracial friendships is the whole idea that this friend “isn’t like that” so it won’t matter if you talk about people who are like that. Some things - like cultural identity and perspective - are hard to articulate to someone who has never experienced it. I’ll give you props for a least broaching the Katrina issue. But it is difficult to talk about race, especially when the person you are speaking to just isn’t listening.

    About the guilt - yes, I feel you on that. A lot of times, when you are in the moment, words kind of escape you. When I was much younger, I was casual friends with a girl in my french class. Then one day, the girl made a remark along the lines of “I really like you Toya! You’re not like the mean, I’ll-beat-you-up-black-kids!”

    The fuck?

    Words totally failed me. What the hell do you say to that? So, instead of dealing with it, I just moved seats. (It was freshman year of high school, so all this fabulous idea of racial deconstruction and analysis didn’t really occur to me.)

    I honestly don’t know what I would have done in your position. A lot of the folks I used to know have been lost to time and distance - so while my friend group is very diverse, there is one group of people conspicously missing.

    While I occassionally wonder about this (of all the white people I meet on the job or at yoga and I can’t count one close white friend?) talking to the other members of the Brownish coalition lets me know that I am not the only one who woke up to a dearth of white friends. I wonder what happened between childhood and adulthood?

  8. AZ wrote:

    C’mon people, can we please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about any group of people? This is a great post and merits a much more thorough analysis than “white women don’t handle rejection well.”

  9. ciji wrote:

    Really, Georgia? You really feel oppressed by “chubbies” because they envy your skinniness? You really think their comments are about YOU and not expressions of their own unhappiness? Sounds like a nice problem to have.

  10. Cynthia C wrote:

    Of course, you’ll get those “libreal” white people who are shocked and upset that certain ethnic groups are so assimilated. They wonder why on EARTH you decided to give up your “old country culture” when it’s “so beautiful.” So a bride named Melissa Chu wears a Vera Wang bridal gown. What’s wrong with that? Vera Wang herself wore one of her gowns, IRC.

  11. dalia wrote:

    co-sign georgia on many accounts.

    ange sounds just as bitter and “racia;” as the mona portrayed in this story.

    it’s always interesting when blacks get hot under the collar about whites behaviours, and fail to see their own ignorance and intolerance. let me be the first to say, ange, that i am aware i do not know you–not your passions, your beliefs, nor your experiences. but man, your comment was laced with something awful-tasting.

    like the writer, i always feel like i’m somehow betraying my race when i don’t call someone out for using terms like “those people,” or muttering bitterly about black history month. but at the same time, it’s not my burden to change bigoted thinking. some people evolve, some people regress… i can only strive to keep myself surrounded with positive, open-minded, this-century-thinking people.

    i too, wish race weren’t so damned complicated.

  12. dalia wrote:

    sorry, that should have been “racial”.

  13. Katie wrote:

    Thanks for this post, Tami. I’m in the process of probably losing some white friends over some racist shit that they did/stood by and watched/told me I overreacted to.

    It’s hard to lose a friend, and it’s harder to lose a friend you realize you never really knew.

  14. Winn wrote:

    Tami,

    Thank you for such a thoughtful and heartfelt post. I have been in your shoes before, both with friends and with partners. I know how difficult and painful it can be to have those honest conversations about race, but it can be so worth it, whether it saves the relationship or not. I am going on 26 years with my very best friend, who is Caucasian. We always promised each other we would talk very honestly about racial issues, and we have stuck to that, though it has often been uncomfortable and awkward. I’ve called her on it when I felt she was using our friendship to take liberties she was not entitled to take, and challenged her to confront herself when she expressed attitudes I found troubling (like Mona, she began to seem hardened and less tolerant after, not moving to a majority black environment, but working as a case manager for Katrina Aid recipients, and having mostly black clientele). On the other hand, she asks me honest and frank questions about race that many others would be afraid to ask, and never responds to my criticism with defensiveness or anger, but genuine interest, respect, and contrition. She also doesn’t allow me to think I can get away with prejudiced or myopic attitudes myself simply because I am of color. We call each other on our shit, and always have. People often think friendship is supposed to be easy, but to me, any worthwhile friendship takes work, which sometimes includes confrontation and tension. However, you also have to ask if the friendship is worth the time and effort it takes. As tmj707 says, “that shyte is tiring”! You have to do what’s best for your own psyche and peace of mind, and it might just be best to let Mona go.

  15. atlasien wrote:

    To armchair-psychologize…

    I bet Mona formerly had an idealistic and naive understanding of race. She placed black people on a pedestal. Then, when they disappointed her by turning out to be normal people subject to normal human flaws, the pedestal crumbled and she began to resent “them” (the black race as a whole). They did not appreciate her for appreciating them, therefore she feels wounded and betrayed.

    My advice is to write her a letter and try to explain how her attitude hurts you. Bring it to a personal level. Explain that when she says “those people”… that means YOU. Ask her if she really feels so attacked that she has become capable of so much cruelty and disrespectfulness towards her friend. If she doesn’t apologize after that, let the friendship go. You will feel better for at least trying once.

  16. Amory wrote:

    Hi Tami! Thank you for posting this. It seems as though the more racism becomes “visible” (to whites), the more intensely white people react to conversations about race.
    I would argue that this woman was always racist. The idea that living in a neighborhood made up mostly of people of color can “make” someone racist reminds me of a post from a few months back here on Racialicious about an article written by a white woman on that very thing. It was published in a newspaper– I forget which one– but I will try to find it and post a link.

    Basically, I think that your “friend” is comfortable with her privilege. Anything which fundamentally challenges its invisibility/ “birthright” status (as Katrina certainly did and does) will cause intense, sometimes aggro reactions in people like that. I am a white woman who is working to educate myself and many of my friends & family on white privilege, and I have seen this many times in white people.

    I think that it is really shitty that the relationship ended that way. But I believe it should not be on YOU to educate HER, or on YOU to salvage that friendship SHE wrecked with her racism. You didn’t end that friendship, she did. Even if she’s still writing/ calling you, unless she’s addressing what should be very clearly her white supremacist values, she’s attempting to re-engage your role in a relationship she’s having with herself. By that I mean she has to be willing to do real work to change herself, not expect you to conform to her idea of a “friendship” which MUST have been affected somehow by her internalized sense of entitlement and power.

    Peace.

  17. DLS wrote:

    Wow….well-written and deep. Isn’t it easier to confront those with whom we know we’ll have little to no further communication with than with those we have a bond? I know there have been plenty of times when I wish I had said something to someone I (once) considered close. I would like to say thta I would handle a situation like that differently, but who is to say? What I will say is that if she ever does contact you again, you should explain your feelings. Not for her benefit, but for your own…..

  18. Orville wrote:

    This post is very profound and honest it reminds me of Audre Lorde’s very important book “Sister Outsider”. I am glad this blog entry was written. One thing I noticed about Racialicious is I don’t see enough posts about racism between friends. Let’ts be honest we all have prejudices. In “Sister Outsider” Lorde talks about the fact that the oppressed we have to constantly teach the oppressor about oppression. It can be very tiring thing to do. I don’t blame you for not wanting to explain anymore.

  19. Amory wrote:

    found it:

    http://www.racialicious.com/2007/06/29/racism-as-a-lifestyle-choice/

    and here’s the article from the St. Petersburg Times:

    http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/21/Features/One_woman_s_lament__M.shtml

  20. Wendi Muse wrote:

    thanks for this. it reminds me of a recent friendship “breaking up” that i went through when i found out a friend was a complete islamaphobe, despite his liberal leftist leanings and complete understanding of history of marginalized peoples…so i can definitely relate.

  21. W.W. wrote:

    I second atlasien: it sounds like Mona is a white liberal who used to believe in “colorblindness,” but doesn’t quite know how to deal with race in a city that undermines that ideal.

    First, I’d point her to Angry Black Woman’s blog on White Privilege.

    Secondly, I’d point her to the conversations on Feministe a few months ago about the role of race and street harassment. Street harassment is a gigantic problem in D.C. I grew up in New York City and Philadelphia, and so I had experienced it as a teenager. However, the harassment up north is nowhere near as pervasive as it is here. Further, the harassment seems to be more racialized here than in my former hometowns. I suspect it may have something to do with the rate and/or demographic pattern of gentrification and Metro use, but I’m not really sure.

  22. Mickey wrote:

    Awesome is the only word to describe this post.

    I have White girl friends that don’t get the privilege thing. My sista friends and I say it all the time: White girls are pretty until proven otherwise.

  23. Wendi Muse wrote:

    i am going to agree with a commenter above who noted that it’s unfair to make sweeping generalizations about groups of people…even if they are of the majority! i agree that this post is not a bulletin board upon which people should throw their angst against white friends who just didn’t get it. especially as i have many of friends of different races who have shown their ignorance and even hatred toward other groups in my presence, somehow thinking that our friendship would lend itself to my being more understanding of their bigotry.

    i also agree with some of the posters above who mentioned how easily one’s trust in and/or admiration of/respect for a certain group can easily corrode when you have frequent negative experiences with that group. i’ve had to catch myself many times and say “_____ fill in the blank race, gender, etc are not ALL like that, this is just a bad example” in order to function and discontinue what could lead me down a path to hatred. i agree that catcalling certainly has that effect. if i didn’t work dilligently to interrupt the desire to generalize, i would certaintly hate all black men at this point, and not due to stereotypes but because of PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. but i fight the urge to do that and try to counter the negative evidence by reminding myself that my father was a black man, and he wasn’t like the ones who say lewd things to me on the street, and that there are other awesome black men out there as well.

    i think for women like mona, with whom many of us could easily identity at one point of our life or another, as we all are prey to ignorance and, on the flip side, stereotyping via negative experiences, there just needs to be a little bit more positive representations of the group to counter the bad, and unfortunately, for a lot of racial/ethnic/national minorities in this country, that is hard to come by, thus making hatred and stereotyping sooooooo easy to do.

  24. Ange wrote:

    hmmm Georgia, I am actually siding with the skinny women. Delude yourselves all you want about white women….if it will make you feel better. You are all so caught up in your psuedo intellect, that no other points of views are encouraged. Let me just type away with my ten dollar words and show how smart I am by spinning the same s**t, day in day out. Time for some of you to get a life, a real life, and stop taking everything so personal. I don’t comment that often, because you know, I have a life outside this blog. I stand by my comments, American white women are for the most part, pretentious, non-confrontational,and always seeking the acceptance of others who shun them. So please read my posts with understanding, I said she would have been better off forming the friendship with one of the skinny girls. And no dear I am not fat, far from it. The anger comes from knowing what I said is most likely true. Get lives, you big bullies, sitting around kissing each other’s a**. “The moment you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.” Mark Twain.

    You are all BORING!

  25. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    It’s fine for us to disagree and argue on this blog, but let’s please keep it civil. Everyone, please read our comment moderation policy, particularly these points:

    3. Don’t make personal attacks. If you’re not smart enough to win an argument without resorting to calling someone fat, stupid, crazy, or whatever, maybe you should work on your rhetorical skills.

    7. Try not to speak in generalizations. Don’t attribute characteristics to entire ethnic or racial groups. Adding modifiers like “some” or talking specifically about your personal experiences help reduce the likelihood that you’re stereotyping entire communities.

  26. michelle wrote:

    You know, on some level, a hard part of growing older is growing apart from people that you otherwise could not have seen yourself without.

    Mona, if she is a real friend, will find a way back to you, and you to her. Sounds corny, but true. I don’t know if was “always a racist” but I do know that things happen to people that can accentuate very small and dark parts of their personality. That is her issue and not necessarily yours to navigate, unless you choose to. Look, I don’t think anyone should judge you on your choice to avoid conflict with someone you love, step away and take time to chill. In fact, maybe more people need to adopt that mentality in their interpersonal relationships. So, you did what was best for you and right in the moment. To the poster who described a beautiful friendship, congrats. But what is key is that you guys have always been calling each other on your bs. You developed a language for your friendship early on that, over the course of 27 years, you have become very adept at speaking with one another. Mona and Tami don’t seem to have such a long history to call on in times of interpersonal racial turmoil.

    Tami, your post really speaks to an issue that so many of have or have had. And there are many ways to deal with it, but it is nice to know that I am not alone in these issues.

    “White girls are pretty until proven utherwise!” I gotta say, I totally feel that! I am sure that many White girls will feel that that statement is a gross and unfair generalization. And I get that, however, my experience has been that White girls get more liberal access to privledge (especially the privledges of pretty) than Black girls any day of the week.

  27. michelle wrote:

    Some white girls…I meant, some white girls have access to pretty…not all. My bad, y’all. I tried to frame it in my personal experience, but I should have added some…

  28. Jenn wrote:

    It’s sad that experiences like these are not uncommon for folks of colour, and it leaves so many minorities feeling like they should wash their hands of having White friends, at all. I’ve had many friends with whom these issues have occurred — some of them I’ve lost, some of them we’ve tried to work through the problems (with varying success).

    Tami, I don’t think you should blame yourself. You have not portrayed Mona as anything more than what she is — a woman, with as many flaws as anyone else. As a friend, you tolerated her flaws as much as she tolerated yours, until it reached a point where you couldn’t tolerate it anymore. When race and friendship intersect, it’s always hard to know how to navigate, because you just don’t want to believe that someone you knew and trusted could have an opinion that you feel so undermines who YOU are as a person.

    I think you should ignore those who would berate you for not speaking back fiercely, or waving that proud POC badge — it’s not always easy to maintain that fierceness in the face of a real, emotional sense of betrayal. And maybe the very fact that you took a stand and decided not to be Mona’s friend anymore is statement enough.

  29. LoveIsDope wrote:

    Thanks for sharing Tami. I don’t know Mona, obviously, but I don’t think you were being too harsh in your depiction. You formed a bond with her based on an “others” status, but once your “otherness” was different from hers and you two were experiencing different stimuli, you began to understand that her off-the-beaten path mantra only went so far and for certain reasons. Sure she went to volunteer for campaigns and marched or whatever, but let some old slave sh*t prevent her from going to the bank, then it’s just too much.

    I have friends and acquaintances of various races and various depths of connections. I’ve actually never experienced this though. I’m almost certain that if I had really deep conversations with everyone I knew, I’d run into this, but I think I’ve done a good job so far of who I label as real friends.

    If you had kept her as a “work friend,” you would probably never have gotten close enough to know these things about her that you don’t like. She clearly is not good friend material for you and it’s too bad you had to learn that after you had invested so much into the friendship.

  30. lunanoire wrote:

    I have a friend who is Korean-American who has a low tolerance for white women who are ignorant of their privilege. I think our college experience at a small (white) women’s liberal arts college was a major factor.
    As for me, in my head I have a list of people who “get it” regarding institutional oppression, those who don’t, and those yet to be determined.

  31. tomi wrote:

    Very thoughtful post. While i don’t have close white friends, i do have Asian friends who i’m really close to. Once my Brunien friend told me that the reason she was friends with me was because i’m Black. I explained to her how i felt about this comment and we ended up brushing it off as a joke. Since then, i’ve noticed that she’s gone out of her way to make me feel like her friend, calling me more often etc. My closest circle of friends are all Black but i find it that they are the ones with programmed mindsets for example they just can’t seem to understand why i read Racialicious or why i want to talk about race relations and explain why colourblindness does not solve any problems. I find it easier to explain race and race relations to my Asian friends.

  32. Colin wrote:

    Amazing post, Tami.

    Basic point for me is this: Friendship is love, and love probably ends in betrayal. I think race sure is complicated, but having a true friend is moreso. You have done well to stay civil; when I have been called derogatory names for fun by the people I thought were my friends, I was not so forgiving, nor so pacifistic.

    I have but one question: What were racial discussions with her like before hand? You said the topic could be broached, but were there hints that “Mona” might be hiding inner anger at POC or seeing the world through a Eurocentric prism?

  33. uneeksistah wrote:

    All i have to say is, i have had a couple of really close white friends in my life. But everytime, it seems as though we can only get “so ” close before race and/or class would end it. IT’s almost like how the rich hang out with each other. They understand each other, and don’t have to worry about defending there pointless, selfish spending habits. The same can be applied to race. It is easier for me to understand another person of my race because i know that they know all about the prejudices of blacks in america. I know its hard sometimes for a white person to REALLY understand race and what it feels like for your whole entire life….

  34. noelle wrote:

    i appreciated this post greatly. its beauty lies in the communication of angst - the heart-wrenching choice to let go of the friendship.

    i have to admit - it really bugs me that some readers respond with intolerant and sweeping generalizations about certain groups (women, white women, skinnies, etc). isn’t this the kind of thinking which pins us to fixed identities, rooted and static? i am more than the skin on my body, even as i live and breathe in my body, and my skin is my public face. yet i am more.

    i am white. i am listening. i read this article with an open heart, listening to the author’s voice, the lessons i can take with it into my life and friendships.

    i don’t need applause or kudos for this. just lend me the same favor please one day, when you’re reading about my complicated experiences in my own skin.

  35. Tami wrote:

    Thank you all for your comments.

    Regarding Mona, I don’t think living around black folks made her racist, but I do think , as someone stated above, that living around real, non-idealized black people brought out dormant prejudices.

    Also, please know that I did confront Mona when she made racist comments. We once had the friendship that Winn describes: We called each other on our bs. That’s part of any real relationship. And I think someone who makes an occaisional unintentional prejudiced remark deserves some slack and some education. But my former friend’s remarks were more than slips of the tongue. To me they signaled a growing deep disdain for black people. I’m not sure how you talk someone out of that and I don’t want a friendship that is based on me constantly having to teach about my race.

    I do miss the bond I once had with Mona. I do think it was real for both of us. I don’t agree with your assessment, Ange, but thank you for sharing it. Unfortunately, given what has transpired, I don’t think Mona and I can ever go back to that place, even if we were to reconcile.

  36. Mike wrote:

    I think your friend did all the negative painting her self.

  37. La - msviswan wrote:

    This was a wonderful post Tami, you presented it well. I also notice a few “white denial” mission defenders went hay wire into defense mode and declared an attack to try negate your acuity on this issue. Pay no mind. All the same, everyone has their own opinions. I couldn’t bare to read all the comments anyway. I’ve been in your shoes, but I was not as close to my white female friend. I had to cut her off for similar reasons, I didn’t tell her why because I felt she was not worth it. I also think she befriended me years back, because she really wanted insight on black and Hispanic men.

    Now, I want to say my simple and honest opinion about “Mona”. It’s possible she always had these racist feelings towards people of color, but found you “different”. Therefore, easily restrained her negative feelings around you because there was no need. Especially since your friendship always seemed to be in a somewhat racially “safe” setting beforehand. As you hinted, while she may have moved to a more highly black populated environment, her “tolerance” eluded her - (to put it nicely) but, the truth basically came out. I also think she was being somewhat testy or even blatant when she said the more recent things in your presence. Perhaps she was trying to take her frustration and newly enhanced racial resentments out on you - in a twisted way. Just saying.

    Ignorance is one thing, but I don’t think this girl was that ignorant. I know you miss her, but as an outsider to your friendship, I don’t know if she is really worth being called a “friend” to you.

  38. jen* wrote:

    wow, Tami, great post. When I stop and think about it, I’ve got very few white friends. And the few I have, well, we’re not nearly as open as you and ‘Mona’ were with each other. Race is hugely complicated, and most of the time, I’m just not in the mood to teach. So I totally feel you on the guilt of not calling out folks on their crap.

    At work, it’s a different thing, cuz no one talks about race-hot-potato [’cept for us black people, amongst ourselves], but there’s a STRONG homophobic vibe. So people feel comfortable making comments and ‘jokes’ about homosexuals.

    Living in SC, folks feel quite free to share their anti-gay feelings [though they fall short of being as rampantly terrible as that Phelps character] and my responses are often carefully tempered to maintain peace. Sometimes I hate that I’m so averse to confrontation - and personally wonder how far I’ll let things go. [a la Pastor Martin Niemöller]

    I will say this, environment does affect who you are/how you respond. It seems that I am now less apt to call people on their homophobic crap, than I was when I first moved here. [I’d probably been here a week, when a coworker told me that he and his wife had gone to a flea market and seen a gay couple walking around. The man said that his wife wanted to get away from them - that she didn’t want to touch them. (I’m not quite sure why touching them would have been an eventuality, but I didn’t ask) I was shocked - and bluntly asked, “Why? What did she think would happen?” The response consisted of hemming and hawing, no real answer.]

    I still call people on some stuff at work, but I guess I”m starting to feel overloaded. As the only liberal in my office, I’d end up spending half my days knee-jerking the “It’s Asian - not Oriental”, “No, there’s a lot of stuff I can eat as a vegetarian”, “Gay is not going to rub off on you”, “Just cuz they speak Spanish, it doesn’t mean they’re all Mexican”, and of course, “the flag is most certainly NOT just a symbol of states’ rights. [states’s rights to WHAT, I might add]”

    needless to say, i’m thinking of moving. but in the meantime, thanks for writing this.

  39. Mes Deux Cents wrote:

    Tami,

    Great post!

  40. Anon wrote:

    Reminds me of a fool I once dated (or maybe I was the fool) who once referred to small black children as “niglets”. Niglets! To my face! Ouch. I was rendered speechless and even now (it’s been 10 years), I wouldn’t know what to say in response. My shocked expression could not possibly have conveyed the extent of my horror in finding out that I was sleeping with a racist. He’s an overprivileged white man and would never be caught reading this blog, but hope springs eternal. Niglets? Aaargh! I’m still mortified.

  41. Anons wrote:

    Thank you Tami for sharing and opening yourself up to all this.

    This really made me think so very hard about your situation, and I tried to keep my biases out of a response. I found myself arriving at an unexpected, unusual, uncomfortable place for me with a strange possible piece of insight: I don’t think Mona’s beef is about “race”. And unlike with me, I think your friendship can be saved if posturing/dancing around what’s really eating you both can come to the surface soon..

    Something happened to her when she moved– a relationship, a friend she made to replace you, etc–, but it’s not clear if you actually asked her *what happened* when she moved away. There could be guilt, anger, etc. that has nothing to do with “blacks” yet everything to with an experience she had that’s been building, funneling, and churning for some time and just now coming out.

    She may be flaky/flighty but she’s not stupid– she knew the makeup of the cities she was moving to and you likely talked about what she could face. Something’s missing.

    That she hurt you she may not get. Sounds like she’s growing up enough to be able to express and articulate something complex for her, that’s all too familiar to you.

    Your her friend, she dinged your people repeatedly. You can forgive the person and forget this latest act (but truly forgive, listen to, accept her flaws, and don’t use against her). Or don’t forgive, but let it (and her) go when ready. Forgive her, but don’t forget this and redefine the terms of your friendship (setting your needs and limits out there is key always). Or don’t forgive and don’t forget,and be more vigilant, maybe more vocal and consistent with what you’ve learned across all your relationships.

    Maybe some combo of the above?

    Above all, just accept some friendships end, people change, without explanations– but not so quickly with so much history without a catalyst. Good luck to you…

  42. georgia wrote:

    Ange, I will repeat that I am not white, not that it matters.

    I still think you are overly hostile towards white women, but it is you choice and right to feel like that if you want to. I only commented because the fact that you would make such statements on this website seems ridiculous.

    Sorry Ciji

    I meant for “chubbies” to be an idiotic way to describe those who are not the “skinny girls” in response to the negative use of skinny in the other post. I don’t have a problem with people because of their size

    I also don’t feel oppressed by anyone. I just don’t think that people should feel that they cannot relate to one another because of differences in size, race, sex. . .

  43. Adrianna wrote:

    Great Post!!Very insightful. I started having a diverse group of friends when I moved to the States.

    It’s exciting to make friends from different backgrounds when you come from a country where everyone looks like you. This also meant I came with no baggages about people from other ethnicities. I found myself at odds with some of my African American classmate, because i wasn’t “acting black enough” . So I was friends with mostly white kids and and the immigrants kids like me.
    I do have some problem of my 2 white friends, One I haven’t told her anything about some of her comments. I’d hate conflict ,because she is very naive, . the Other We have had serious conversation aboI ut it and He has mended his way.

    My biggest baggage I have to admit is with some black people and their colorism.I have had to deal with a lot of colorism crap from people in my own country to know that as human beings we are all capable of prejudices and bigotry . Now If I could only find a way to explain that to my best friend who is African American And gets real Paranoid when we are with my white friends or around white people period.

  44. HumBum wrote:

    To La - msviswan and others:

    You haven’t been in this girl’s shoes *if* you haven’t been as close to your “white, female, friend”. The fact that people keep emphasizing the label in the first place, rather than “my clueless friend”, “my insensitive friend”, “my racially insensitive friend”, underscores the nervousness and distance you maintained (on purpose? unconsciously?) in your relations with people you think are your friends (or who believe are your friends).

    If all it takes is a difference of opinion a misplaced phrase, or ignorance, and your unwillingness to show them what’s right or tell them why they’re doing wrong because it’s not worth it– you were never friends anyway.

    But don’t insult yourself or them by making it into something so dramatic like you are being used, especially if you never speak/spoke your mind girl. Being friends means honesty with yourself so you can expect and recognize it in others; having self- respect so you can show respect to others, right? If that’s missing what’s the point?

    As long as you repeat that you have/had “your white friend”– instead of “a friend” that you care/cared about, you’re guilty of the same thing that irks you when they did it to you as a “black/hispanic/asian friend”. So no high horse, power trip, race victim sides here.

    Tami talk to *your friend* and let her talk to *her friend* but you need to do it raw no BS and make her get her stuff on the table, and you get your gripes in too (no holding back, I think you are with what she’s about). No abstract stuff, but reality and what it means to you. Then weigh where to go. Don’t know what the future holds but it won’t be the same as before. I’m betting deeper and stronger if you’re both honest and take the risk to let go of what you’re working with now (it’s broken). Get something better. Get truth. Peace and good luck to you.

  45. Ed wrote:

    This reminds me of a situation my wife got into with a woman she met in the last year.

    What they had in common was adoption. We had and her (ex) friend was in the process.

    What they didn’t have in common was ethnicity. One a Jew, the other Japanese. Both 3rd generation Americans.

    An attempt at a frank conversation about the difficulties involved in adopting from another culture led her (ex) friend to believe that my wife was biased against her because she is Japanese.

    Knowing my wife and what she meant, that isn’t true at all. But her friend kept how she felt to herself and just slowly pulled back. At some point my wife asked what was up and out it all came, and with an absolute decree that she would not be friends with her ever again.

    This was very hard for my wife and I think a rather stupid mistake on the part of her mistaken friend. These are exactly the sorts of things that need to be discussed when they come up, not weeks later after one’s assumptions have become mistakes.

  46. HumBum wrote:

    Ed: Repeat that last line over and over again loudly, please…

  47. Hot Tramp wrote:

    Coming to this post late, but I wanted to thank you for writing it. It’s touching and hard and true, and it helps me to understand a number of friendships that are tainted by differing views on race. I’ll be linking people to it.

  48. Karl wrote:

    I’m sorry but I can’t help but think that the entire article was…well….pathetic. The writer (and most assimilated people of color when confronted, rather when put in a position where they can not ignore the blatant racism that’s been around them the whole time) reminds me of a religious person who realizes that his/her god isnt as perfect/all knowing as preached about in the scriptures. I mean really, the writer put that white woman on a pedestal (not the other way around), and felt stupid when her true colors rang through. Period. What’s with you assimilated P.O.C’s and your desperate need to be looked at/accepted/touched on the head/loved by white people/persons. I mean honestly…does the writer expect us to believe that all of the racist rantings from friend just spontaneously manifested themselves when she went to D.C (the result of being in proximity to blacks that arent as lightskinned/intelligent/progressive/perfect -perfect because, after all she has white friends/employed or middle class as the writer?) Give me a break. Truly pathetic.

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