A Case for Hipsters (of color)?

by Racialicious special correspondent Wendi Muse

Lives in rapidly gentrifying neighborhood: check

Occasionally shops at Urban Outfitters, thrift stores, or grandma’s house: check

Tends to party in other rapidly gentrifying neighborhoods on weekends: check

Is likely to know or at least recognize 1 or more people a week on Last Night’s Party, Cobra Snake, or Blue States Lose: check, check, check

Spends more time per week changing hairstyle than showering: ok, ew, sooo NOT check

With the exception of the final point, I qualify pretty solidly as a card-carrying member of hipsterdom (*though, according to Carmen, the first rule of being hipster is never admitting to being one*). I’m what one could call a “conscious hipster,” as oxymoronic as that sounds. I genuinely care about the world. I blog about race and gender, I recycle, I hold doors for the elderly. . . but I also devote a lot of time to fashion, music, and other facets of materialism on which I find worthy enough to throw money. Does that make me a bottomless pit of indifference? I think not.

Unfortunately, pop references to hipsters are never quite flattering and, to be honest, I think most of us “have it coming.” After reading the piece on Wes Anderson, and the responses thereafter, I began to wonder whether my pending defense of hipsters had a future in the metaphoric trash heap. Afterall, this site, among many others, has been nothing close to forgiving for hipsters’ behavioral faux-pas, including, but not limited to: political indifference (passed off as white liberalism), superficiality, aversion to personal hygiene, endorsement of the objectification of women under the guise of post-modern feminism, and an inexplicable hunger for overpriced clothing that looks as though it’s been bought, sold, and worn three times over.

And more than anything, perhaps as a means of highlighting their flaws while simultaneously skirting the risk of inciting the wrath of equal rights groups or the anti-racist blogger community (*wink wink*), they are portrayed as overwhelmingly white.

The problem that lies therein, however, is that in this attempt to criticize a group that is considered to be teeming with silent predators to developing neighborhoods by way of its voracious consumerism in the face of poverty and quasi-colonial gaze, the people of color who make up a sizeable portion of the hipster clans in major cities are swept under the rug, virtually ignored for the sake of ease. Given, it’s much easier to stereotype a group when they are all exactly alike, right? Yet once the idea of color or class or queerness ends up in the mix, the critics get a little vertiginous, as their previously asserted sweeping generalizations may end up pulling them into a vortex of inaccuracy.

I decided to do a little impromptu research into the history of people of color in the United States who would probably be considered hipsters, at least if they were somehow superimposed over a backdrop of post-millennial modernity. I thought of Pachucos (more on them in a sec), people of color who were members of the beat generation, the followers of and participants in rock in its earliest (predominately black) stages, and even my mother, who identified as a “hippie” during her college years (and sometimes still does, though, nowadays, more as an optional fashion statement as opposed to an indication of political voice). Long story short, they’ve been out there for quite some time— people of color trickling back into the movements to which they gave birth, later to be co-opted by whites, and vice versa, and it’s still very much the case today. One particular “hipster” cultural movement, if you will, is one for which I have yet to find a name.

Hispanipster or Alterna-tino/a doesn’t have a nice ring to it. I didn’t want to try anything that even vaguely referenced borderlands or immigration because, well, those are overtly cliché and would be ripped apart by academics. So forgive me for having no name for a group of young people who identify as Latino who happen to have always been present and thriving despite receiving little acknowledgement by the popular media or the clueless general public. They’re the Latinos Laura Martinez over at Mi Blog Es Tu Blog hints at when she writes open letters to advertisers, reminding them that “Hey, we’re not all alike,” the Latinos who comprise the writing crew over at Guanabee, and they’re the Latinos I happen to call my friends and go out with on weekends.

And for the record, no, that was not a “Hey, I have Latino friends! Aren’t I so awesome and knowledgeable about Latino issues?” plug.

I note the entertainment + friendship factor here because without them, I would never have been exposed to Nacotheque, the party founded by DJs Amylu Meneses and Marcelo Cunning (pictured below). According to their myspace page:

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The music is an eclectic mesh of Spanish-language, rock n’ roll, new wave, indie rock, baile-funk, nouveau-eighties, electropop, disco, cumbia, and some hip-hop.

Nacotheque is beating the stereotype of parties that host Spanish-sung music and teaching the world what else is out there in the Spanish-sung indie/underground music scene. PAPERmag.com went so far as to dub Nacotheque as “The Spanish MisShapes”, but with more animated DJs and more fun party people. As Claire Frisbie from NYRemezcla.com explains, by blending their own backgrounds and musical tastes, “this dynamic duo have a knack for highlighting new music from all over Latin America and Spain, boasting an enviable collection of music, new and old, popular and obscure”.

And the founders have no qualms about making fun of the “scene” in which they play a significant part, as evidenced by the party’s name:

“Nacotheque” is a made up name combining the words naco and discotheque. “Naco” in Mexico is a way to describe the Latin American hard-drinking, jalopy-tinkering working class – whom Americans would consider cheesy white trash.

Reviving a pejorative term for the sake of profit is not exactly an original idea, nor is an underground Latino dance-music-style culture. In fact, the U.S. has seen quite a few such movements over the years, including the Pachucos, whom I mentioned earlier, who are defined as:

Mexican American youths who developed their own subculture during the 1930s and 1940s in the Southwestern United States. They wore distinctive clothes (such as Zoot Suits) and spoke their own dialect (Caló). Due to their double-marginalization stemming from their youth and ethnicity, there has always been a close association and cultural cross-pollination between the Pachuco subculture and the gang subculture. For this reason, many members of the predominant (Anglo) culture assumed that anyone dressed in pachuco was a gang member.

The term “Zoot Suit Riots” refers to the violent conflict that ensued between white sailors and Pachucos following WWII in Los Angeles. Poignantly documented as a musical play by Luis Valdez and immortalized by Edward James Olmos’ portrayal of the play’s narrator El Pachuco on Broadway, the portrayal of the riots and its participants in Zoot Suit gives the impression that the expression of culture through music, dance, and fashion can bear far more meaning than its creators may initially intend or than its spectators may be willing to acknowledge.

For some of my friends, and many of the young people who identify with the partygoers to whom Nacotheque caters, there is significant meaning in music choice and fashion sense, one that is linked to their sense of Latinidad. Fernando, an Argentine who immigrated to the United States as a child, and who has the most eclectic album collection known to man, feels that his expression of self through style is indicative of something more than buying power:

I love being Argentinean—I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. But I do love breaking the stereotype. I love to be unique. I don’t want to look like anyone else . . . or be anyone else. I don’t want to be a FREAK, you know, but I have to be different . . . constantly changing . . . innovative.

Unfortunately, despite the growing Latino population in the United States, the media representations of the Latino community are anything but “different . . . constantly changing . . . innovative.” Advertising agencies, tv show producers, and music executives cater to its Latino audience with blinders tightly fastened. All Latinos look the same, sound the same, act the same, and like to consume the same goods and participate in the same activities, or at least the average viewer/listener would gauge based on what the media tells us, including the Spanish-language networks, whom Fernando considers an ally in the continued perpetuation of stereotypes of Latinos:

[The typical ”Latino” stereotype is] evident in any show or commercial you see on the Latino networks. For God sakes, they’ll have a political commercial with reggaeton blasting in the background. Reggaeton does not appeal to all Latinos, in case they didn’t know.

Expecting many Americans to have a firm grasp on Latino culture and history seems high, but not entirely, once you consider how quickly they learned and believed stereotypes about Latinos they gained from the limited media exposure time given to the group. Claudia, a visitor to the United States from Mexico, and frequent Nacotheque attendee recounts:

[People react in shock when they find out I am Latina] from time to time, yes. Mostly “you don’t look Mexican at all” I can look Asian, European, or Latin—but from Argentina or whatever. Once a girl told me that it was a good thing that I was being told that I don’t look Mexican because by Mexican they mean short brown and ugly.

Wow.

My friend Kristal, a Native New Yorker and fellow baile funk-o-phile shared a similar experience:

So many people have reacted in shock in finding out that I am Latina. I have always asked people why the surprise. The thing they usually cite is my light skin. Sometimes I am asked if I am Spanish or what kind of Latina am I. Where are your parents from? I answer Colombia and Puerto Rico. Aren’t people black there? I mentally shake my head, but then go on to explain that Latinos are come in all different shades. That like the U.S., there was immigration from many countries and of course slavery of Africans and indigenous peoples.

. . . Plus I cannot tell you how many times drugs have been mentioned to my mother and myself. We just have to educate that person. Acknowledge that, yes, drugs have been a part of the turbulent history Colombia, but the country has so much to offer in terms of music, dance, science and environment.

Clearly, despite the prevalence of stereotypes, my Latino friends are able to bounce back, to challenge an interjection of ignorance (or even an intentional acceptance of stereotypes) and respond in a way that educates their interrogator. While it’s rare that the public actually considers the work that people who counter stereotypes put out as anything but examples of exceptions to the rule, I find that many young people, especially by way of forms of cultural expression that are universal, are exploring how to bridge the gap between “international” and “domestic.” Nacotheque and Latino hipsters (”Lipsters”?) are discovering, one party and one outfit at a time, that as trivial as their form of revelry may seem to the outside viewer, there is more than what meets the eye. While “breaking a stereotype,” so to speak, is not something that is necessarily being done intentionally, especially considering that, as Claudia asserts, my friends and many others are simply “being themselves”, it is inevitable that as more and more people who lack familiarity with Latino culture are exposed to people like them, the image of “Latino/a” that it set by the media will begin to erode.

Not only does their mere existence challenge stereotypes that emerge from the “outside” (”Oh my, a Latino who likes ROCK?”), but also those that are rooted “within” the Latino community, internalized and accepted as a part of what being authentically Latino means. Fernando, Claudia, and Kristal all noted that some people within the Latino community questioned their identity or connection to Latinidad as a result of their being “different,” and at times, this question of authenticity came from members of their own families. Yet as my friends exist within what post-colonial theorist Homi Bhabha would call the Third Space, a sense of culture in which a synthesis of two or more cultures is key, little attention is paid to old binaries that constitute what is “American” and what is not. Claudia made an incredibly insightful note on how her sense of identity has emerged as a result of a rapidly changing world:

. . . my generation. . . I think it is more of a globalization thing. . . [has] more choices than the ones [my parents] had back then. It is not only “American” influences that we get today, [but influences] from all over the world. I grew up in Mexico and that’s why most of my cultural influences are Mexican, but I have the possibility of traveling, of listening to music from all over the world, especially in a city as international as NY.

Globalization—the friend and foe of a post-modern existence. As it stares us in the face here in Claudia’s statement, it makes me wonder what is to come of the stereotypes that we know so well and cling to so tightly, partly in fear of losing ourselves.

But as Kristal reminded me, stereotypes have their place too:

Nacotheque is fun because they celebrate these stereotypes such as the telenovela. They play theme songs from them and everyone dances to them and sings [along]. . .

And that despite their prevalence, there is still room to be yourself:

I get complimented on the fact that people do not think I look Latina! As if it will help me succeed in life. I usually correct them and say that I am proud to be Latina and then mention that Latin American Studies was my major in college that I love to speak Spanish and travel to Latin America…I tend to go on and on..

I make/made a conscious choice to speak Spanish. When I was younger, I did not want to speak it. I was somewhat embarrassed until my late teens when it hit that I should . . . really embrace my culture and be proud of it.

So next time you think of all “hipsters” as mindless, misguided, generic people ruining a neighborhood or two, remember this. What you may see is a fashion statement, sure, but there are politics that go far beyond a party or two. The very act of being oneself is not a trend, and despite appearances, my friends and I don’t quite fit as neatly into the hipster mold as one may expect when they catch our vintage shoes or asymmetrical haircuts in a glance. I’m not acting as an apologist for the “bad” hipsters that are out there, but it’s worth noting that (prepare for a cheesy line in 5…4…3…2…1) just like snowflakes, no two are exactly alike :-)

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Comments

  1. gatamala wrote:

    Sometimes I wonder if I’m one of you people (that was a joke :) )…..but I think I’m too old.

    *shameless plug*
    On that note, Aterciopelados one of my.favorite.bands.

  2. Wendi Muse wrote:

    btw, special thanks to Claudia, Kristal, and Fernando for letting me interview them for this piece. also, hat tip to my co-worker Alex for sending me the hilarious Hipster Olympics video!

    ~Wendi

  3. Kristal wrote:

    alternatino/a….that’s not bad…not bad at all..

  4. rafi wrote:

    Good post. And reminded me of my own under-appreciated (!) commenting in defense of hipsters ( i always love playing devil’s advocate ) at hiphop-blogs and the assimilated negro about 2 years back.

    Particularly this post at TAN about the quest for the negro hipster…

    http://theassimilatednegro.blogspot.com/2006/01/quest-for-negro-hipster-continues.html

    Science is dropped in the comments.

    The word “hipster” has really become soiled.

  5. brad wrote:

    It’s interesting to see the examination of Latino identity and hipsterism. What seems to be ignored is that what what Americans consider Latino identity is a product of the United States. A few years ago an African American congresswoman referred to a white Cuban American congressman from Florida as white. The congressman took umbrage at this statement and said he was Latino/Hispanic. Given the history of Cuba and the construction of race there, the congressman’s statement was political and cynical.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Diaz-Balart

    In Latin America, people don’t see themselves as “Latino”/”Hispanic” as a racial/ethnic group. Argentines consider themselves white Europeans. The elite of Mexico are white as is reflected in much of the TV and film that is created.

    Gael Bernal Garcia just directed and starred in a new movie called “Deficit” in which he deals with issues of class, race, and social mobility. It’s a fascinating movie for its honest reflection of how much wealth and power are connected with skin color.

    When

  6. Wendi Muse wrote:

    rafi, thanks for that link to the old TAN piece. for those of you who are too lazy to click links, here are some of the really salient points rafi made that were relevant to this post:

    “Blogs recently have been giving the distorted idea that *most* people who can be classified as hipsters spend all their time mocking other races through the false front of mocking racism at extremely odd parties. This is an absurd generalization. Some people who live in NY, listen to indie rock and enjoy shabby chic attire or irony are also racially sensitive. Some are not. People are not quite so easily grouped by what music they listen to or what they look like. You would think hip hop fans would be aware of that.

    Now, on to the topic of the negro hipster. It’s absurd and speaks of a certain racist mindset to truly believe that all black people are automatically hip. This is like a jimmy-the-greek-ism. Yes there sure could be negro hipsters or hipsters of any race. First of all the word hipster itself is fluid as seen by its mutations over the decades and depending on whom you are speaking to. I know of some personally that I would say match the definition of hipster that you’ve been talking about: a predilection for certain kinds of obscure music, for cerebral conversation and aesthetic taste being the arbiter of cool. Apparently none of you spent any time at artsy fartsy schools in the New York area. Hipsters come in all races, shapes and sizes.”


    also, brad–i agree. the politics of race vary worldwide, and i have full knowledge of that. i wrote about race in latin america (though my focus was more on brazil) in a piece i did a few months ago: http://www.racialicious.com/2007/08/09/we-want-you-to-think-just-like-us/

    but yes, i agree. it’s just like if i were to move to another country, i probably would have a completely different take on my sense of self as an american as opposed to here, where american-ness is practically a side issue (as i am person of color)…it’s like race, gender, sexuality…all those things come first…and then oh yeah, nationality…blah. i would give it more thought if i lived elsewhere and all of a sudden was seen as a representative for american-ness

  7. gatamala wrote:

    Gael Bernal Garcia just directed and starred in a new movie called “Deficit

    I’ll check this out.

  8. squidfly wrote:

    Hip came out of the Jazz BeBop movement of the 40’s.
    With the phrase, If you think you’re Hip, then you’re probably not.

  9. Omer wrote:

    subaltern(ative) is still my fave.

  10. Blanky wrote:

    Not to be a complete moron, but what is this site’s accepted definition of “people of color”? Judging from the pallor of the hosts, it isn’t so much “phenotype.” Is it “a person primarily exposed to non white-American culture”?

  11. tasha wrote:

    Wendy, to be completely honest, I’ve never quite understood the furvor over the current hipster culture, and why so much ink and bandwith is being devoted to it. And I’m under 30. Actually, I take that back, I do understand the bandwith part, because the hipsters are the ones doing the blogging and the uploading of pictures and music and such on to the internet. However, I’m wildly ignorant of the contributions of current American hipsterism (if that’s a word) to mainstream popular culture ( music, fashion, commerce, politics, etc.) and though my logic is probably flawed, I often rationalize or assess the value of an artistic or cultural movement through it’s ability to impact the mainstream, especially something as widely discussed as hipster culture.

    So I have to ask, What/Where are the hipster movies? And I don’t mean films that appeal to hipster sensibilities like Wes Anderson films, but films that depict the culture and those consumed with it? When I was in high school, the film that truly encapsulated the mood of American youth in the mid-90’s was “Clueless,” and the shock-waves that film sent through popular culture reverberate to this very day. It affected the way people dressed, spoke, thought, shopped, and so on and so forth. What/What are the hipster tv shows akin to “Friends” or “The O.C.” What/Where’s the the hipster slang? What/Where are the important American hipster bands like those of the Seattle Grunge scene? If I didn’t listen to NPR, I wouldn’t know who the “Strokes” or the “Yeah, Yeah, Yeah’s” are, but I’ve heard UK artists like Amy Winehouse, Lily Allen, Lady Soverign, and “Arctic Monkeys” on the radio, and I live in the South.

  12. donna darko wrote:

    Speaking of hipsters, there are “uber-hot male and female Asians” on hipster bingo.

  13. Anonymous wrote:

    Blanky,

    I think it pretty much is phenotype. Pallor of the hosts? What exactly are you looking at?

  14. johnjihoonchang wrote:

    By your definition of hipster, is it a sub-class of yuppie (young urban professional)? I fit the yuppie category myself, but only fit a couple bullet points of the hipster.

  15. Blanky wrote:

    Anon:

    I’m looking at the picture right below “I note the entertainment + friendship factor here because without them, I would never have been exposed to Nacotheque, the party founded by DJs Amylu Meneses and Marcelo Cunning (pictured below). According to their myspace page:”

    The guy and girl are almost as light-skinned as the white backdrop behind them.

  16. al wrote:

    i don’t know about wendi’s definition, but to me, hipsters aren’t exactly a subclass of yuppie. there is a type of yuppie that is a hipster, but if you went on appearances/interests, a lot of hipsters are not yuppies, mainly because they aren’t professionals.

  17. donna darko wrote:

    White hipsters are kind of 2003 although they exist in N America, Europe, Latin America and Asia. John, they’re the opposite of yuppies, slackers.

    Today’s hipsters are typically associated most closely with a love of “alternative” art and performance, particularly music. They are commonly perceived to be devout fans of indie or independent rock and/or independent film. Hipsters may also enjoy or create DIY crafts, and enjoy any or all forms of fine art including conceptual or performance art. Contemporary hipsters are sometimes associated with leftist or liberal social and political views, a general appreciation of intellectual pursuits, and an ironic appreciation of lowbrow or lower class culture and subculture. –Wikipedia

  18. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    I am not familiar with hipsters. I really thought it might just be an NYC thing.

    But, according to Wiki, my best friend is a hipster and I have hipster tendencies:

    3. You carry a shoulder-strap messenger bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses. (I live by messenger bags and my next pair of specs will be nerd glasses)

    4. You have refined taste and consider yourself exceptionally cultured, but have one pop vice (ElimiDATE, Quiet Riot, and Entertainment Weekly are popular ones) that helps to define you as well-rounded.

    (I am not exceptionally cultured - but most of the museums in DC are free and I frequent them often.)

    8. You have one Republican friend whom you always describe as being your ‘one Republican friend.’

    (I had one in high school - does that count?)

    9. You enjoy complaining about gentrification even though you are responsible for it yourself.

    (uh…yeah.)

    11. You own records put out by Matador, DFA, Definitive Jux, Dischord, Warp, Thrill Jockey, Smells Like Records, Saddle Creek, and Drag City.

    (I love Definitive Jux. Never heard of the other stuff…)

    I am also apparently not a hipster…

    “11 Clues You Are Not a Hipster

    7. You eat at Popeye’s on a regular basis.
    (I also have way more body fat than the average hipster)

    10. You work in an office building that has a man-made pond and a fountain in its front lot.

    (Umm…that’s kind of the capital. Reflecting pool is kind of a man made pond. We’ve got fountains in random places….)

    12. You know nothing of R. Stevie Moore and would not listen to him given the opportunity.

    (Who the heck is that?)

    By the above-mentioned definitions, a picture of the consensus image of a hipster comes into some focus. Particularly, a hipster usually is characterized as possessing some of the following characteristics:

    * A liberal, ecological, and/or anti-capitalist political ideology. (Check, but I like capitalism.)

    * The active pursuit of indie, independent, DIY, non commercial, and/or non profit choices of consumption in any and all aspects of life, including listening to independent rock or any form of non-mainstream music (check), thrift store shopping (nope - too much work, not enough pay off), eating organic (when I can afford it), locally grown (ditto), vegetarian (occassionally), and/or vegan food (only when around vegans), drinking local microbrew beer ( I don’t like beer), listening to public radio (NPR, w00t!), etc.

    My boyfriend thinks I am too bougie to be a hipster…but it looks like hipsters are fairly bougie…looks like I’m still confused Wendi.

    But, great article!

  19. Kai wrote:

    Yeah I’m with Tasha, I have no idea what there is to either defend or attack about hipsterism, it’s not exactly a social construct that helps us organize our understanding of the world. Just about all writings on hipsterism that I’ve seen fall into two categories: (1) I’m a hipster; (2) I’m not a hipster. To which my response is generally: (1) good for you; (2) good for you.

    Blanky, this site’s definition of “person of color” is the same as the rest of the world’s definition of this widely accepted term. Still confused? Well let me tell you about these cool computer programs called “search engines” where you can actually type in words you’re curious about and find related material. Try it! Both hipsters and non-hipsters do it all the time!

  20. Jonas Cord Jr. wrote:

    I love to be unique. I don’t want to look like anyone else . . . or be anyone else. I don’t want to be a FREAK, you know, but I have to be different . . . constantly changing . . . innovative.

    Well then, she failed pretty hard at all of that when she decided to become a hipster.

    While “breaking a stereotype,” so to speak, is not something that is necessarily being done intentionally, especially considering that, as Claudia asserts, my friends and many others are simply “being themselves”…

    … by acting more like stereotypical hipsters than stereotypical minorities. Who cares?

    …it is inevitable that as more and more people who lack familiarity with Latino culture are exposed to people like them, the image of “Latino/a” that it set by the media will begin to erode.

    Why? Hipsters are a remarkably small part of any given population - nationally, racially, or any other way you slice it. “Wow! I guess some latinos are hipsters!” is not some great racial enlightenment that you can be proud of instigating.

    This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous - a pathetic attempt to conflate their own juvenile hipsterdom with constructive action on racial issues. Nice try. You’re just dressing like a clown and listening to bad music.

  21. Blanky wrote:

    Kai:

    Haha, you’re pretty funny!

    I did look that up, and guess what?
    One site says that it refers “only to blacks.”
    Another says it’s used to refer to “all non-whites.”
    Yet another says it “merely refers to level of skin melanin, and so fails to define correctly those who are not noticeably non-white or whose racial background includes both races of white and non-white.”
    Another claims that it refers to “disadvantaged people; who is ‘of color’ varies by location.”

    I don’t know which one is used for this site.
    It’d be nice if you told me.

  22. Wendi Muse wrote:

    1. thanks, latoya, for puting up some of the other definitions of hipster…my first few to open this article were a bit tongue-in-cheek
    you can find the full definition here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29

    i find it to be pretty accurate, so if you know absolutely nothing about hipsters, it’s worth taking a looksie. hipster can actually describe quite a large percentage of young people on major cities these days, it just so happens to be a pretty pejorative term that most people reject due to the stereotypes surrounding the term, understandably

    2. i think just like any other subculture, hipsters’ existence is seen as completely insignificant, a waste of time to discuss, etc…but as time goes on, and those people get older, in retrospect their way of life gains more importance. people thought the same of hippies, beatniks, zootsuiters, etc and now they are considered pretty iconic when it comes to style and american culture. it’s sad to me that people so quickly reject the prospect of learning about another group of people simply because of what stereotypes they have absorbed from television or a website or two. . . or simply from having only come across information about the group with a negative / unflattering lens.

    why not take the opportunity to um, learn?
    —-
    3. blanky (and others, who took a stab at this):
    to me, “of color” can be used loosely, and has been on this site. according to the census, as i recently learned after writing an article about iranian-american parisa’s presence on the real world (thanks, readers!), people of middle eastern and north african descent are considered “whites,” whereas here, that definition falls flat, based primarily on their experience in america as completely the opposite. i think it’s grown from the concept “colored” to mean more than just “black” in the united states…to encompass anyone’s whose ethnic or racial identity is considered marginalized. for example, as many of the interviewees noted and as i have in previous articles here, latino is a broad term that encompasses a ton of racial identities (as latino is technically an ethnicity). with that said, one can be a white latino, black latino, asian-latino, etc…but in the united states, thanks to our reliance upon the one drop rule to apply racial categories to the people we meet, we also happen to factor in nation of origin, last name, style of dress, religion and whole other slew of categories to consider someone non-white. i know tons of latinos who were shocked upon coming to the US that they were considered white in their home country, but not white here simply because of an accent, a last name, or by asserting “i was born in_________ (insert non-european/non-north american (excluding mexico) counry here)”

    i think “of color” is a really flexible term based on shared experiences of otherness and marignalization in the united states. i think it also is something people can assign to themselves.

    like lots of very light skinned people of south american, african, and/or asian descent still consider themselves of color despite possibly being able to pass as simply white in this country. why is that, and why do we accept or reject their use of this term?

    but i think that the fact that question was asked is really important. i agree, blanky, that it’s a concept worth considering and shouldn’t be discounted as something worthy of discussion.
    ——
    4. jonas,
    the person who added the first quotation is a man, not a woman. i interviewed 1 man and two women, friends of mine, for this article, just to clarify.

    from what they shared with me, that often tire of being viewed as objects to whom a certain product is geared based on a stereotype. they are tired of being held to behavioral expectations based on a stereotype. they tire of the simple fact that their being themselves, hipsters or not, if it somehow runs counter to a stereotype, is considered not being authentically latino. i think a lot of other members ethnic and racial groups who display behavior, style, music taste, whatever that is considered not like the stereotype deal with chastisement from the inside and outside of their community of this sort. this article is not saying being latino and a hipster is remarkable…in fact i say the idea is not original in any way…what i am getting at, more or less, is that hipsters are often stereotyped as being white…and openly criticized as a result of that generic whiteness…which is not only unfair to hipsters as a group of whites, but also unfair to non-whites who participate as a part of the subculture as well. not only that, but even if done unintentionally, the people i interviewed (and myself) do not fit into the stereotypes assigned for their ethnic group. considering that we exist, why have advertisers, magazines, and other pop culture/media outlets caught on to this yet? why am i still marketed to in a certain way because i have brown skin?

    people of color are not 1-dimensional…but little has been done to show otherwise in the media…just saying

    also, it’s unfortunate that you felt the need to insult people in order to get your point across. if you choose not to learn about others and their experiences, fine, but there is little need to put them down and trivialize their putting their experience in their own words.

    this site is about the intersection of pop culture and race…my coverage of hipsters of color, especially considering that they’re an awfully big majority of young people in new york city and other major cities here and abroad, is going with the theme of the site, and i make no apologies for that. just doing my job…

  23. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Blanky -

    Yeah, Wendi’s definition is good. Mine is a bit more basic, meaning any person that identifies as something other than white-european-caucasian. I do not distinguish between economic levels. And in terms of skin color, I still consider light skinned people to be POC. So even “white” Latinos are still considered POCs to me because they are not white-European. It’s horribly unscientific, but that’s kind of how I operate.

    ****

    I also want to second Wendi’s comments. The writers here share a lot of experiences that overlap with our personal lives. It is totally ok to attack an idea…but it is not ok to attack people. It really makes me not want to share certain things - I would rather withhold the experience than have my friends feelings hurt.

    Ditto with the “why are we discussing this instead of XXX”. The blog is about race & pop culture. If people want to talk about race without factoring in pop culture, there are plenty of other blogs where you can do that.

  24. donna darko wrote:

    I wanted to clarify.

    White hipsters are kind of 2003 although hipsters exist in N America, Europe, Latin America and Asia.

    They can be of any color.

  25. Jonas Cord Jr. wrote:

    they tire of the simple fact that their being themselves, hipsters or not, if it somehow runs counter to a stereotype, is considered not being authentically latino.

    Fair enough. In this case, they’ve got Latino-influenced music to back up their cultural authenticity. But what if they didn’t? What if they didn’t care for Latino music at all and loved hipster music?

    I guess this is what happens when we get hung up on the particular culture of ethnic groups (food, music, and so on) being intrinsic to the identity as opposed to the experience of being part of the ethnic group.

    what i am getting at, more or less, is that hipsters are often stereotyped as being white…and openly criticized as a result of that generic whiteness…which is not only unfair to hipsters as a group of whites, but also unfair to non-whites who participate as a part of the subculture as well.

    The whiteness attack is pretty unfair - but a tempting one when I know many hipsters consider themselves quite racially progressive yet are self-segregating themselves so damned severely. The aforementioned attitudes of white hipsters towards their minority cohorts further exemplifies the hypocrisy, I suppose.

    considering that we exist, why have advertisers, magazines, and other pop culture/media outlets caught on to this yet?

    Minority hipsters are a small fraction of a very small fraction of the general population. You’re not getting your own ads anytime soon - don’t feel bad, I don’t get any either. That being said, there’s no excusing the clumsy and insulting stereotypes used when targeting minorities in Advertising.

    also, it’s unfortunate that you felt the need to insult people in order to get your point across. if you choose not to learn about others and their experiences, fine, but there is little need to put them down and trivialize their putting their experience in their own words.

    Well, I’m somewhat sorry, and somewhat not. I’m being belligerent about a group whose affectations I find ridiculous— so what. There’s no subculture immunity clause from biting criticism. Someone that joins a club where everyone dresses the same and brags about being unique deserves ridicule.

    my coverage of hipsters of color, especially considering that they’re an awfully big majority of young people in new york city and other major cities here and abroad

    They are not a majority of New York City, young people, or any combination thereof. It’s a group you identify with, which is an understandable justification for why you are writing about it. But you’d be hard pressed to come up with a subgroup more culturally irrelevant to the population at large.

  26. LydiaSH wrote:

    As a hipster observer, I see more Asian females and males following the fashion than any other person of color.

  27. Alicia wrote:

    I know what Brad is talking about as far as there not being one “Latino” identity in Latin America.I am Puerto Rican and have been to Mexico as well, and the culture is WILDLY different. And yet, my friends and family in Puerto Rico, especially the ones thinking and talking about racism and these issues do talk about “Puerto Rican” as an identity in the context of race, even though, as you said, there’s a huge range of colors. Even though a light skinned Puerto Rican might be “white” in the context of la isla, it’s well understood by a lot of people that the entire island and people are also targets of racism (theres also a HELLUVA lot of hoping and wishing and praying that we were all just lily white spaniards, but thats another post). Also just want to give a heads up that though a lot of folks from Argentina think of themselves as white, others don’t.

  28. M wrote:

    As far as the self-segregation allegations, I don’t think it’s so much that as much as just hanging out with people who share your interests. Most of my nonwhite friends are Asian, Indian, and Latino because they happen to share a lot of the same cultural references I do (even the foreign-born ones). I mean, there are a hell of a lot of white people who don’t share my interests, and it’s not as though I would want to hang out with them either simply because we are the same race!

    Dating is another example…i know for me that music, film, and lifestyle are important in who I date. Everyone has their own criteria of importance (like religion, origin of family, work, etc) and I know what mine are. The nonwhite guys I’ve dated (and currenty date) share these elements with me. I’ve dated Asian and Latino “hipster” guys, because of the ratio of how many share such interests to the general ratio of how compatible you are with ANYONE period.

    Think of all the crushes and other people who have interested you over the years, and how obviously not all of them ended up in relationships or even dates. If there aren’t a lot of people of one race in your social groups to begin with, there’s less of a chance you’re going to end up dating.

    Regardless, great post!

  29. riley wrote:

    latoya, i think that hipster checklist is a starting place, but it’s sort of outdated and more accurately describes “indie yuppies” these days, who are best described as “aging hipsters.”

    hipsters are totally into all things DIY, often liberal politics and vegetarianism/veganism, but some of the other main characteristics are:

    majorly into art–considering the hipster prototype is an art school grad (or dropout), this is unsurprising

    appreciates things ironically–this may be sort of bizarre to people who are accustomed to liking things sincerely, but it’s a major component of hipsterism. hipsters embrace the over-the-top cheesiness, particularly of the 1980s and early 90s. this is partly nostalgia (since today’s hipsters were kids during these decade). this enthusiasm for ridiculous excesses of days past is juxtaposed with a sense of elitism about popular culture of TODAY. (example: it’s perfectly acceptable to like cheap trick, but it’s not kosher to like avril lavigne).

    hipsters are typically into partying (see the sites referenced above–last night’s party and cobra snake) to get an idea of what hipster parties (and hipsters) look like

    hipsters are often spoiled or affluent, but it’s not a necessity. the main thing is that you have the look and that you spend what little money you do have on cheap beer, a haircut that looks like you did it yourself and a nice camera.

    if you want to check the hipster scene, williamsburg in brooklyn is like, the mecca. also echo park in los angeles.

    it’s hard to describe as a subculture if you don’t already have a concept of what i’m talking about.

  30. Miguel wrote:

    Nope, sorry, still hate hipsters. Hipsters of color are (as to be expected) marginally more tolerable than white hipsters, but I’m sure as hell not going to forgive hipsterdom in general because a handful of hipsters (out of thousands) don’t suck.

  31. Jonas Cord wrote:

    Right on, Miguel.

    And to M:

    Dating is another example…i know for me that music, film, and lifestyle are important in who I date.

    Good lord, why not just name the three least important factors in a relationship, why don’t you? It seems to me the allure of belonging to superficial high school cliques is apparently going to postpone the sophistication of adulthood indefinitely for these people.

    You know, where your friends share some of your interests, but not most of them. But you have enough friends that it doesn’t matter, and you wind up encountering ideas and cultures different than your own that you wouldn’t otherwise. Oh, what a horrible nightmare that must be to all of you.

  32. donna darko wrote:

    Yeah I’m with Tasha, I have no idea what there is to either defend or attack about hipsterism, it’s not exactly a social construct that helps us organize our understanding of the world. –Kai

    There’s overlap with activists, anarchists and the counterculture. The Wikipedia definition (alternative music, indie music, independent film, crafts, art, performance art, leftist or liberal views, intellectualism and irony) describes the counterculture and people of all races around the world are countercultural.

  33. tasha wrote:

    Wendi said: i think just like any other subculture, hipsters’ existence is seen as completely insignificant, a waste of time to discuss, etc…but as time goes on, and those people get older, in retrospect their way of life gains more importance. people thought the same of hippies, beatniks, zootsuiters, etc and now they are considered pretty iconic when it comes to style and american culture

    I say:

    Hmm . . . I always thought that the hippie’s influence on popular culture was fairly immediate. However, you may be right about how time will have to elapse before the legacy of today’s hipsters can be truly evaluated and/or appreciated. Though, from a personal standpoint, having been an 80’s baby, I suppose I’m used to a certain instant gratification and being able to connect the dots fairly easily between mainstream trends and the cultural/artistic sources from which they derived. I’m having a problem doing that with hipster culture, but I’m glad you wrote this because what little insight I have into hipster culture hardly involved people of color. When I think “hipster” culture, I think Von Dutch trucker hats, I-pods, Sofia Coppola/Wes Anderson/Spike Jones movies, t-shirts with random messages, the Misshapes (though, I don’t quite know why they’re famous), Nylon magazine, Marc by Marc Jacobs, and that’s about it.

    Miguel, why do you hate hipsters? what did they do?

  34. Wendi Muse wrote:

    p.s. trucker hats, at least in nyc, are not en vogue anymore…not even for hipsters…and when i think of von dutch, i think of diesel-ed out, orange undertoned, overly tanned huge clubhopping types that like armani exchange and juicy couture…but again, that’s just in nyc…who knows if trucker hats still lurk somewhere in the US as a hipster staple…maybe LA?

    and the misshapes are famous as club promoters and djs…i went to one of their gigs…nothing to write home about, per se, but they have celebrities dj quite a bit, which is fun to witness if you’re a starf*cker…other than that, or if you want to end up on lastnightsparty, it’s not that exciting (at least not for me)

  35. Wendi Muse wrote:

    pps. hippies’ influence was immediate i think because it was accompanied by politics and because it was so strikingly different from what america had become…at least again, in terms of politics and lifestyle.

    but at the time, i’m sure there were people saying “god, i hate hippies. they just move into the neighborhood and ruin it. and they dress so weird…and they’re dirty…and stupid” etc

    hindsight is always 20/20, as they say

    i think hipster-dom, at least in the present, is less a sincere political movement (and um, not all hippies were exactly political), and more a style, music, and arts “movement” if you will, as most of the people who would be considered hipsters are the students and alumni of liberal arts colleges (including art and fashion schools).

    and again, i think the people we define as “hipsters” are mainly relegated to that category by way of appearance…so a lot of people get lumped into an unflattering category based on stereotypes people formed by way of limited or negative exposure to “hipsters” even if they may be the complete opposite of what people expect

  36. squidfly wrote:

    When DKNY, started to sell off the rack vintage wear, then the Neo-Hipster was born.
    Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Theolnius Monk, Chan Parker, Gerry Mulligan, Bud Powell, Billie Holiday, Charlie Mingus, Sarah Vaughn and Dizzy , to name but a few were the original movers of Hip, even creating a hip language, “The Big Apple” came from the Jazz musicians of the 30’s and 40’s.
    Today’s Hipster is the new (left bank) leisure class.

  37. donna darko wrote:

    music, film, and lifestyle are important in who I date.

    Good lord, why not just name the three least important factors in a relationship

    Independent movies, alternative music, lifestyle often bring people together.

    Nope, sorry, still hate hipsters.

    I’m not pro-hipster because it’s passe and I’m mostly anti-hippie because they were mostly self-indulgent non-activists. I do support countercultural style, music, and arts.

  38. riley wrote:

    trucker hats haven’t been hipster fashion in like five years, btw. von dutch is classic ashton kutcher overtanned club douchebag wear.

    i’m sorry if this is a) off-topic and b) makes me a bad person, but music, film and lifestyle are important to me in a person i date. music in particular is a huge part of my life and transcends the superficial role of “something to drive to/dance to/etc”. music says something to me and often expresses my particular worldview. accordingly, it’s important that the person i date have major overlap with me in the music department, because that’s indicative of their whole worldview/aesthetic.

  39. donna darko wrote:

    i’m sorry if this is a) off-topic and b) makes me a bad person, but music, film and lifestyle are important to me in a person i date

    this makes you a very, very bad person, riley.

  40. E wrote:

    There are three points that I would like to make on this entry from the point of view of a non-white Latina who grew up in a South American country.

    Stereotypes: I was surpriced when I came to this country that Latinos were seen as Salsa or Quebradita dancing, tortilla and chile eating individuals. While I fit the external stereotipe (dark, short and pudgy), I have been a roquera/alterlatina throughout, but I can dance salsa, I can’t stand chile and did not know what a tortilla was until I came to the Uniteds.

    I think that you are right in saying that not all Latinos fit the same mold, however, this is written in a way of “us vs. them” tone. With hipster Latinos being the good guys. Fitting the stereotype is not bad, its ok to like salsa or quebradita, its ok to eat beans everyday and eat spicy food. My problem with hipsters of any race or ethnicity is that while asserting their uniqueness, they do so with an air of superiority and dismissal to the general culture… not to mention that they have also become a stereotype. That’s why while I share some similarities with hipster, I would not..by any means classify myself as one.

    Tastes: I grew up listening to Yes and Pink Floyd in my South American country from my equaly short, brown, and pudgy father… and we were neither rich, white, nor hipster (I don’t think they existed back then). Having these tastes is different… not better, nor worst than people that fit the stereotype. I would hate to see the “latino hipsters” appropriating the stuff I love and judging people like me for the way we dress, the things we eat, the way we look, dancing salsa, etc.

    Race: Race in Latin America is a monster in and of itself. Most people in LA, even the indigenous, mestizo and black, cherish the little bit of white they have in them. Great think about the US… it is the great equalizer.

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