4th generation racist: Can you be anti-racist if you’re anti-white?

by Racialicious special correspondent Latoya Peterson

Disclaimer: The thoughts and ideas presented in this very long post do not reflect the thoughts or feelings of the blog owner, or any of the blog affiliates. The piece chronicles my journey from being anti-white, to grudging tolerance, to what I am working toward now - full acceptance of all people, regardless of race. The thoughts below are not necessarily what I believe now - but they are all beliefs I have held at some time or another.

If you are already threatened by any perceived anti-white sentiments on this site, you may want to stop reading now. However, if you want to explore issues that some PoCs have with white people (as more than a few of my sentiments are shared) and why it is important to acknowledge and overcome these ideas, read on. I’ll be checking in throughout the day to respond to questions and comments, as this is such a provocative topic. — LP

How do racists think?

Where do their racist beliefs come from? How do they continue to justify their beliefs in our increasingly multi-culti society?

For me, finding the answers to these questions are easy.

All I have to do is look inside of myself.

The reason I am involved with racial activism today, the motivation behind wanting to build bridges and understanding between different groups of people, the reason I found Racialicious in the first place all stems from one thing: my intrinsic bias against white people.

The bias I acquired - and the racist behavior I engaged in due to that bias - was fostered in two ways.

First, there was anti-white sentiment reinforced by my family, who had experienced all kinds of problems interacting with white society. Starting with my great-grandmother claiming African-American heritage in lieu of her actual Native American heritage (effectively choosing a life marred with prejudice over possible extermination) and ending with my mother’s instructions on how to navigate a world that is hostile to people of color, my family holds a deep mistrust against white people.

Second, there is the reinforcement by my community. Many people of color harbor some sort of bias or issue with white people. It could be subtle comments about differences or insulation within one’s own community or outright hatred - the undercurrent of bias exists, and is actively reinforced by the PoC community.

My understanding of race in America came to me through lessons. The lessons that were taught to me, all by well meaning people, were attempts to shield me from internalizing hatred for the self. I learned at a very early age to question all things taught to me by white establishments - to watch what I learned in school, because they would tell me that Columbus was a hero, that the US was infallible, and that the only Negro worth knowing was Martin Luther King, Jr.

Here’s an example of one such lesson:

White people have no history. They have spent their time on earth consumed with hatred and anger, releasing their hatred on the more civilized people of color, destroying empires and technological insights with their greed. They are inherently cruel and destructive.

Does that sound strange? Ridiculous even? How can a person reasonably claim that white people have no history, that an entire race of people are inherently cruel and destructive? It just doesn’t make logical sense!

And yet, society perpetuates the same ideas. Society teaches that people of color have no history outside of slavery, or white dominance. If there were historic accomplishments made by people of color, they are not important enough to note in history books.

Think about your education.

How much do you know - that you learned in primary and secondary school - about the history of other nations? How much time did you focus on European history and American history? How did your curriculum treat African, Arabic, and Asian (including South East Asian) history? Did you get one year out of twelve devoted to learning about other nations? (I did - it was a course called Modern World History.)

Many Americans are unaware that our history is told from a skewed perspective. People of color only exist in the context of white people - slavery, the Opium Wars, the Alamo, the building of the Panama Canal…major history lessons are learned with white people at the forefront. With that type of world view, are we really surprised when people hold on to erroneous ideas like Blacks benefited from slavery?

Like a fencer, I learned to evaluate words and situations, to perceive threats, and then parry and thrust damaging white messages back at their senders. However, I soon discovered there is very little tolerance for race based assertions -negative or positive - in our world. We would rather pretend race does not exist, save for a few cute cultural celebrations. I would go to my predominantly white school - a situation which changed as I got older - and hear the buzzwords. Diversity. Tolerance. Acceptance.

Active racial discourse is discouraged. You are admonished to keep any thoughts that could possibly be seen as divisive to yourself. So, you smile on and the thoughts still fester. You interact with your white coworkers, hear ideas, thoughts, and perceptions that conflict with your experience -but you say nothing. It is not your place. I am sure white people are doing the same thing - withholding the natural thoughts and questions that arise, and allowing biases and preconceptions to take up residence in your mind.

Eventually, thoughts turn into opinions. You listen to their perspectives, so very different from your own, and do not participate. You make friends, hang out after school, break bread, have sleepovers, get invited to bar mitzvahs - all the while realizing that there is a gulf that exists between your world and theirs.

For a while, I indulged all of my racist thoughts and ways of thinking. My best friend was white, but I did not trust her on a certain level. We shared everything - everything but what was important. We talked about school and friendships and assignments, but never did we discuss the OJ trial - which was a topic of discussion in seventh grade. We all knew where the quiet lines were drawn. I never told her about my family, and never discussed race or class. In high school, I started hanging out with other alternative black kids - my white friends began to fade into the background. One by one, I lost touch with them. A comment about Affirmative Action brought one friendship up short. Another friend moved abroad and fell in love with Germany - this, coupled with her growing Republican identity also created a rift in our communication.

Somewhere along the line, my feelings toward white people had solidified into outright avoidance. Their whiteness alienated me, because I could not see past it. Even when discussing ideas and concepts with my colleagues, there were lines I could not cross, conversations I did not want to venture into.

Exploring race with white people is quite often an exercise in futility. As most people do, we understand the world by forming a perspective from our experiences. It can be difficult to understand the weight of something that you have never personally experienced.

I stopped discussing race in high school, because I was disgusted at the shallow, parroted perspectives that were served up repeatedly as if they were unique thoughts.

I continued to stay away from those conversations in college, primarily because my interactions with white people had functionally ended. Outside of work, I no longer inhabited those kinds of social circles. My world was mixed and diverse, but lacking in white people. I had (and continued to have) friends from around the globe, of all experiences and languages and hues. But white people are missing.

Occasionally, I would become friendly with white people. Maybe on the job, maybe at a film club meeting, maybe someone I see everyday checking the mail.

Eventually, someone might broach the topic of race. (Normally, after checking out my site and looking at some of the blogs I write for, including this one.) Eventually, they would offer their perceptions on race in America:

“I think we need to stop looking at what divides us, and think about what unites us.”

A nice sentiment on its face, but it is also a highly effective method of shutting down the discussion of real issues. [Side note: can someone please tell the community of Jena to unite to get those kids out of jail?]

“People need to just realize that we’re an evolutionary blip on the radar screen. All of this black vs. white stuff is bullshit, and when we’re wiped out, it will be replaced by something else.”

One of my coworkers said this to me post-Imus debacle. Ironically, he made another comment while he was exploring moving down South. Visiting a prospective neighborhood in South Carolina, he was taken aback at the mistrust he encountered from the African-Americans in that community.

“They are looking at me like I did something wrong! I didn’t turn the hoses on anyone! I understand bad things happen, but we’re never going to get anywhere if people keep holding on to the past.”

Hey, like you said, it’s just a blip in society’s evolution. Brush it off.

Or one of my favorites:

“I think people (of color) need to stop trying to separate themselves so much from white society. You need to realize that we need to work together to get things done - you won’t get much accomplished without us.”

I almost had a Malcolm X moment.* I had to step back from that conversation, and refrain from some kind of comment about white hubris.

As you can see, my attempts to foster a dialogue about race with non-PoCs has been a less than satisfying experience.

So why did I start to challenge my racist beliefs?

To be honest, I don’t know.

Refuting racist beliefs doesn’t really have any major benefits in society.

You don’t get a cookie.

You don’t get a gold star for good work.

You don’t even get your OJ prize.

What you do get is people treating you differently for not laughing at their racist jokes. You get to chastise yourself endlessly throughout the course of the day, trying to self-correct all the little racist thoughts that pop into your mind.

You get to have interactions that COMPLETELY JUSTIFY your racist thoughts and have to fight off those thoughts anyway.

It’s a lot of work, trying to be less racist, trying to eradicate racism from yourself.

When I discovered Racialicious, I was at my most alienated. I was stuck on business in some depressed former mill town, over in the heartland of white America, with no other minorities in sight. That’s when I first started listening to the podcast.

I was elated! Intelligent conversations about race, from different perspectives! And here was the best part - it was created by people of color. I could learn about issues in Asian America, Latin America, Arab America, I could hear about issues abroad, and communicate with other PoCs sharing their perspectives.

And yet - white people were here too. In the PoC space. I chafed. Then I decided to ignore it. Then I decided I couldn’t ignore it because if people are here to learn about different perspectives, they should be allowed to. Then I wanted to ignore it, as it became clear that some white people on Racialicious want to inject their white viewpoint into the discussions, with no heed for understanding the points and issues raised.

So I was conflicted.

But as I continued reading, learning, growing - and eventually contributing my words and ideas to Racialicious - the growing irony of what I was doing was staring me in the face.

It’s real hard to be an anti-racist activist if you’re anti-white.

Post-adolescence, I had let go of a lot of my anger toward white people. But it was not until recently that I began to actively challenge my perceptions of white people. To work toward overcoming all the internalized prejudice I held. One day, I hope to be able to look at a group of white people and see people - not just run anthropological commentary in my head.

I made a conscious decision to work to overcome these racist perspectives. To listen to and try to understand where white people are coming from. To share experiences, rather than just talk at each other.

There may not be much of an incentive in our society to stop being racist.

But I suppose I prefer that to the alternative.

After all, who wants to be the kind of asshole that judges others on the color of their skin, rather than the content of their character?

*For those interested, what came to mind was something similar to this quote:

It is not a case of our people . . . wanting either separation or integration.The use of these words actually clouds the real picture. The 22 million Afro-Americans don’t seek either separation or integration. They seek recognition and respect as human beings.
—Malcolm X, “Kup’s Show”, Channel 7, TV, Chicago, aired 23 May 1964, FBI, MMI 100-41040

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Comments

  1. Wendi Muse wrote:

    this piece could easily have become like one of those older articles featured here about white women expressing their growing hatred for black and latino men…

    except a huge difference is that their racism is continuing to grow unchecked as they fail to challenge themselves to think beyond the stereotypes they have formed. though your piece is clearly from a black american perspective, which some close-minded people may find alienating, i think that it provides an important lesson to all of us when it comes to dealing with internal struggles of prejudice and how to overcome them.

    thanks for being so open about your experience. i hope that the readers gain a lot from this.

  2. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    Great post, Latoya. This is such a taboo topic among anti-racist people. I’ve been wanting to discuss this on Addicted to Race for a long time now.

    Once you start learning more about racism, and about the history of racism, it’s very difficult to not simply associate white people in general with racism. And thereby develop anti-white sentiments.

    It’s important to check these feelings because anti-white sentiments are racism as well.

  3. Tiffany in Houston wrote:

    This post was very powerful. This could be me. I have NO white friends, and never had. I still harbor mistrust of white folks based on some the same experiences you have had. My world outside of work is totally black. I went to a black college, pledged a black sorority, and grew up in a black neighorhood. I live in Texas and here and other areas of the South, that’s not so hard to do in terms of having a majority black experience.

    That’s why I am here at Racialious..I need to expand my WORLD view.

    I look forward to reading other responses.

  4. atlasien wrote:

    I believe bitterness holds people back. I also believe it’s possible to have a healthy anger at the social construct of “whiteness” without holding unhealthy anger towards random individual human beings who happen to be white.

    Your story reminds me of something a Latina woman confessed to me in college. She said she had so much anger as a teenager, because of racist abuse, that she used to go to nightclubs, pick fights with white girls and beat them up. She said she felt ashamed and wished she could apologize… but now she was in a much healthier place, emotionally.

  5. mireille wrote:

    Thank you Latoya for your candid introspection.
    It’s true, being a legitimate anti-racist activist seems to reap no rewards in the real world. I am indebted to this blog for giving me a place to openly discuss topics of race and ethnicity with an intellectual rigor I have never found anywhere else.
    I find myself having to check my anti white biases increasingly often. It might sound funny, but some of my favorite people are white men-My father, my boyfriend, all of my professors, many of my best friends. And yet as I become more resolved and informed on racial issues, I find myself becoming frustrated with them. My boyfriend, a regular reader of racialicious, is reluctant to join in discussion here because he doesn’t know if as a white man his option will be valued or relevant. My father seems intellectually stagnant on racial issues and takes his privilege for granted. Many of my white friends make kitchy, racist jokes because “we’ve moved past that, haven’t we?”. I use to laugh…But I can’t anymore.

    I really don’t know what I’d do without this blog. I try not to let my quiet hero worship of you, Carmen and Wendi show but you all really do inspire me, the lowly community college student. Thank you again for being so candid.

  6. Kara in NYC wrote:

    Wow,this post really hit home. I was mistreated and alienated while growing up in a predominately white neighborhood and it took me a long time to get over all the pain, hurt and bitterness. Shoot, I guess I am still getting over it.

  7. drydock wrote:

    Latoya– I enjoyed this piece a lot. Thanks for sharing.

  8. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    Here’s a question for all of you. Why do you think the issue of anti-white racism is so little discussed in anti-racist circles?

    Is it that none of us want to admit we have these feelings? Or that we’re afraid of being labeled as hypocrites?

  9. Jack D. wrote:

    Sensitive, reasonable white folk have a hard time expressing discomfort they feel on the receiving end of anti-white racism — even around their own friends of color — because they don’t want to appear to be whiny anti-ANTI-racists. I appreciate Latoya’s narrative. Thank you.

  10. atlasien wrote:

    I believe one reason (among several possible) it isn’t discussed that much is because of the legions of racism deniers waiting to say “I KNEW people who talked about race were the REAL racists! This proves it! Reverse racism is worse than racism, which doesn’t exist anyway!” Which is exhausting.

  11. Michelle wrote:

    Carmen…

    Great question and I don’t really have an answer….but I do have an idea….

    You know, a common theme in our generation of women of color (I say women because that is who I have talked to the most about this issue, however I am sure that men can agree) is the pain of exclusion. Many of us grew up in situations where when we were around White people (if we didn’t live or go to school exclusively with White people), we were looked upon as so foreign, so alien, so other that we were made to feel less than. Not to mention the things that we heard, that we said and done to us and young people…and when you are young, especially adolescent, those experiences can wound and knife through your psyche. Perhaps we are still so close to those experiences. Perhaps it is not just as simple as anti-white racisim that needs to be addressed, but maybe expunging the demons first. You know, sometimes people can’t really hold rational thought or rational conversations until the immediate and (what is the term I am looking for) well, irrational pain is properly dealt with.

    I don’t know, for me…when I am around white people (and I am not at my best) it is not just about being racist, I am literally twelve years old, feeling scared and small and helpless.

  12. Kai wrote:

    Latoya, Carmen, well I don’t see “anti-white” as “racism” in the way these words are tradtionally used, though perhaps we are trying to redefine things here. Anti-white prejudice is obviously unright, but it’s an individual emotion rather than an overarching historical power structure which defines Class Society and global geopolitical imperial discourse. Or maybe we’re using these words differently? Personally I haven’t experienced any taboos regarding this subject, in fact it gets raised all time in my circles. I simply believe the analysis must connect and correspond personal feelings and behaviors to the actual shape of the external world, to the verifiable structure of power and wealth in our national and global society. How many black mortgage conglomerates hurt whites by denying them loans for property ownership? How many vice versa? How many brown countries bomb and invade white countries with impunity? How many vice versa? When I talk about racism, these are the things that I’m talking about, not personal feelings of resentment detached from actualized power and oppression. We probably need to continually clarify this rhetoric, though.

  13. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Thanks everyone.

    Tiffany - I know what you mean. One of the best things about being here was understanding other minority perspectives. It’s refreshing to learn about something a bit different, right?

    Atlasien - Bitterness does hold you back. I think what really kind of shocked me was that I wasn’t so angry that I was taking things out on individual white people - I still managed to maintain friendships, right up until after high school.

    What shocked me was the kind of low opinion I held about white people. I was beyond the point of being shocked by racist or bigoted behavior, because that is what I had grown to expect. I just assumed white people as a whole didn’t give a fuck about race relations, and if they did, they could not be bothered to do anything about it. At that point, I felt like explaining race and concepts was pointless - and nothing meaningful would ever come of it.

    I’m hoping that I’ll be able to prove myself wrong, by being more involved, and by really taking the time to listen to perspectives from white activists. It is so easy to tune out a message you don’t agree with.

    Mireille -

    Thanks for the support! It means a lot, especially when our viewpoints on one thing or another don’t go over well.

    The anti-white bias is a tought thing to check, especially because you run into so many issues of disagreement. Even with people with the sincere desire to learn, sometimes you just don’t want to teach…or, if their truths conflict with your truths, there is a bit of an ideological battle on your hands.

    Still, glad you are working on it - and working on race relations with people who are close to you.

    Kara - I feel you. You internalize so much.

    The funny thing (which is a bit off topic) is one of the most common negative experiences that my friends have with whites - being called a racial slur - has never happened to me. I don’t know why that is, but no one has ever said anything like that to me.

    At least to my face, anyway…

    So, it is interesting how we experience and process behavior by others.

    Drydock - Glad you liked it.

    Carmen -

    I feel like anti-white racism is accepted in many communities. It’s so common, it is a way of life. Also, white people don’t represent themselves too well in racial discussions. Things come off condescending (intentional or not), or naive, or dismissive. Or white people are outright denying the struggles that PoCs go through. Or its liberal bullshitting. I, for one, am trying to learn to scale back when discussing race with white people, and not immediately attack whenever something is said that I do not agree with. However, I do wish white people would be more willing to discuss issues of race as an open discussion, and not a definitive debate.

    I have to run to yoga, but when I get back, I’ll share a story when a white susbtitute teacher tried to break the ice in my high school class with a race-based joke…and how my reaction caused a ton of tension…

  14. Allen wrote:

    Carmen

    I think most people hate having view hypocrisy in themselves and that’s why they don’t want to discuss their anti-white feelings. Plus, growing up black, I was taught a lot of things about white people that make it really hard to take them at face value. Then I got in the real world and experienced all the things my parents warned me about. So, like Latoya, I’m trying to do better, but it can be frustrating when you realize that your only reward is the same sense of personal satisfaction that most people are still able to obtain while clinging to their own racial biases.

  15. Dan wrote:

    In re Carmen’s question, I think PoC are hesitant to look at anti-white sentiments because they don’t want to confirm the fantasies of persecution (by affirmative action, political correctness, not being able to use the n-word, etc, etc) that so many white folks labor under. A lot of white people who aren’t so educated about racial issues will jump to the conclusion that “look, people of color are racist too, so I guess I’m off the hook about my own racism!”

    I think in the long run it’s important to do as Latoya suggests, but in the short term I understand very well why PoC have a hard time letting go.

  16. David Wynn wrote:

    Latoya, I fully enjoyed your piece. Thank you so much for sharing. In my view, the most important idea you fleshed out was that of self-acceptance. Not just for what we want to be, but for the stages we go through to get there as well. An embrace of imperfection is a more than rare and welcome addition to the dialogue I find myself participating in all too often.

  17. egypt4 wrote:

    Latoya said, “Also, white people don’t represent themselves too well in racial discussions. Things come off condescending (intentional or not), or naive, or dismissive. Or white people are outright denying the struggles that PoCs go through. Or its liberal bullshitting.”

    Oh, I so agree with this. I cringe, sometimes, when I read comments like those made by that guy Brad in the Titus post. The thing that bugs me is how it always becomes about them, the white person.

    I’m white, so the closest I get to this is in my experience as a feminist. It seems like particularly in the 90s, there were all these men, smart but anti-feminist men, who would want to get into these big debates, “You mean you’re a feminist? But you don’t hate men.” The guys who would sign up for women’s studies classes and always ask a million basic question which slowed the class down so that we who wanted to talk and study more in-depth couldn’t do it. Et cetera. It gets so old.

    But I also know it can be really helpful to have conversations with people, in a relaxed setting, where you can talk honestly about race, religion, sexuality, etc. I had a great chat like this on a long car ride recently with two colleagues who are black. We talked about hair and body image and it was great.

    I’ve just moved to Egypt and have had some questions about Islam and local customs, and a female American convert and I had a nice chat where she answered lots of my questions. It was really helpful for me and she seemed glad to share what she knew. Then again, I wouldn’t live here if I were anti-Muslim so maybe this isn’t really relevant at all.

    I’ll also add that sometimes I get those weird questions from white people because my kids are black. One guy, a friend’s brother, whom I had just met, asked me about the n-word and why he wasn’t allowed to say it. Of course I talked to him about it, but he sounded so ignorant and unwilling, really, to learn. So now we just avoid him (very easy to do overseas!).

    I’ve strayed off-topic but I wanted to also say thanks to Latoya and Carmen for treading where few go.

  18. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    > Anti-white prejudice is obviously unright, but it’s an individual emotion rather than an overarching historical power structure which defines Class Society and global geopolitical imperial discourse.

    Kai, I don’t know that anti-white prejudice, as you call it, is just an individual emotion. It’s oftentimes a reaction to white supremacy/privilege, and therefore it’s sort of built into the system. And if it’s part of the system, then to me it’s still racism.

    I really don’t buy into the whole “POC’s can’t be racist, only prejudiced” thing. I don’t think you’re saying that exactly, but it could be read as that.

  19. Kai wrote:

    Carmen, I think I understand your point, which is that white supremacy also causes the dysfunction of people of color resenting white people. Is that right?

  20. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    Kai, yes. But to add onto that, I also think it’s a mistake to say that anti-white prejudice doesn’t count as racism.

  21. LM wrote:

    Latoya, great piece. Your candor sets a good example, and you have a nice way of expressing your mental byplay, too.

    Among many interesting points: “Refuting racist beliefs doesn’t really have any major benefits in society.”

    My first thought: “Sure, it does… at least if you change the verbiage slightly, to “for society.” True, that won’t necessarily bring adulation to the individual, especially in real time. But bringing down the a white supremacist structure isn’t the work of a single committed person, or even a single dedicated movement. It’s many individuals and many societal forces… we’re part of society so it’s our work to do. Or not do.

    My second thought: “Refuting racist beliefs is part of personal development”… along the same lines as Tiffany in Houston’s comment about expanding her world view. It’s not that we can’t function with our flaws, but failing to address the worst of them can eventually limit us. For most people, that’s OK… many of us are perfectly happy (though not proud of) being limited in this or other ways. This isn’t doing it for white people, or black people, or anyone else, it’s doing it for yourself. Sure, it’s not easy, but it’s worthwhile. (BTW, carried too far it’s easy for many people to become martyrs to the cause, a position that again I think many people are happy to fill because of the adulation they think they’re due. Just because something ain’t easy doesn’t mean it must be viewed as a sacrifice. By that logic, not stepping out of our comfort zones is just as much of a sacrifice. It’s just a matter of which we choose.)

    Ultimately I think that the true warriors in this cause are those who make it important to themselves but not about themselves. Or to flip that, know that it’s not about you but be about it. And so I don’t cause misunderstanding, I’m not suggesting that stuff doesn’t happen at a personal level — of course that shapes our mindset and range of experiences. But causing change, within ourselves and in society, requires us to push past what happens to us, to step back and see the larger context.

    So much more racing through my mind, but I’m got to break for now. I hope I’m decipherable if not prolific.

  22. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Hey, I criticize white people and culture all the time…and I’m white.

    Someone please give Latoya a gold star and a cookie for her many fine essays on Racialicious.

    Carmen is getting a lot of publicity and acclaim for her work on race. So am I, to a lesser degree, on my website and blog. Others here may be having similar experiences.

    So I wouldn’t be too quick to assume it’s a thankless job. I’d say a sizable minority of the population is ready for a message of tolerance and inclusiveness. That group is only going to grow as the dinosaurs die off and the young inherit the earth.

  23. mireille wrote:

    Oh, the PoC can’t be racist thing is so absolutely absurd. My mother has an awful racist streak in her…Though, I would like to adjust that and say it’s more classist than anything, but it’s still humiliating and awful.

    Both of my parents are strangely classist (perhaps racist?) against poor white people. Trailer trash is a white racial stereotype. My father was shocked (but accepting) that I am dating a boy from rural Tennessee. Both of my parents have made comments about how well spoken, cultured and well informed he is. My father also grew up poor and through 30 + years of education has become comfortably upper middle class. They simply assumed I would never date a boy so far removed from my affluent upbringing. In my father’s case, is this an example of white vs white racism? Is that even possible?
    Bringing it a step further, why are white racial stereotypes like the drunk co-ed, the depraved mass murder, etc. never called out for what they are?
    Also, have you ever heard Asian girlfriends or wives of white men say anything racist against their significant other or family? I know this is now TOTALLY off topic, but I had a friend who said the most derogatory thing against the white women in her boyfriend’s family. I found it really puzzling because she HATED any whisper of anti white sentiments by other PoC.

  24. xenia wrote:

    I arrived in the US a decade ago as a refugee. In my part of the world, people look phenotypically white, although very curly, almost kinky hair is not uncommon (I’m not from Latin America). I always cross “other” just on principle, first because I do not see myself as white, second because I wish the proportion of non-whites in the US to increase.

    I could write a novel about my impressions on racism, but I’ll pass. Just a few observations: We were first settled in a poor, exclusively black area in a major city in the South. Perhaps a third of the refugee kids came to identify themselves as white. About a third didn’t care. The rest learned English in black schools, dated black teenagers, and remained in the area. (When I say black, I do not mean that “blacks” or “Afro-Americans” are one homogeneous mass. The English language, which reflects the racist society, pushes this generalization upon me. Sorry.)

    I succeeded in enrolling in a prestigious university. Years later, after I have left the US, it is still a matter of great shame and wonder that there always seemed to be a veil between me, and black kids, especially males. Black body language, the jokes, the awareness that they could not count on protection from the state, those were all familiar to me, whereas US white middle class people seemed both alienated and naive. Yet, no long term friendship formed between me and any black kids at my university, although I have had moments of great emotional intimacy between me and one or two black immigrant girls. I am not talking here about sex, or about hoping that some mystical black “mojo” if you allow, would pass onto me. I am simply talking about friendship, regular contacts, confidence, laughing and crying together. While being poor, I am very bookish, and not exceedingly social or interested in sports, so you could blame it on my particularity.

    However, I experienced something interesting on the last trip to the US. (I live in a third world country now, btw.) Of course, I was the only “white” woman at the airport with non-blondified hair. As it often happens in those situations, I felt a surge of solidarity and love for women
    of color, for the textures of their hair, for the faces which did not look like the standardized empty Britney lookalikes. The next few days the experience repeated itself: on the street, in the stores, in any open spaces I rejoiced to see black people, I felt warmer and more protected.

    The third week in the US I realized that on the subway and in the street I had started to move away from black people, to make myself smaller and move into a corner when a group of black boys passed me on the street. I did not have any solidarity with the whites, but I tend to stare them down and smirk at them rather than physically move away from them. I analyzed my thoughts and I realized they had become more subtly racist as well, reflecting everyone else’s consciousness.

    In short, my first week I felt acutely my own poor, third world background, and my emotions and my body language were in sync. The third week, the general racism around all of us started inundating me. I suddenly disliked my own body as well, seeing it as too small, too fat. Perhaps straight hair could be beautiful occasionally? Perhaps there is a reason to fear some black men qua black?

    I was happy to leave, it had turned into a torture, as I did not like the whites and I did not trust them, yet I knew that I am not black, neither by culture, nor by recent ancestry.

    It was good to stop in Egypt on my trip back. Not only is it one of the most hospitable country in the world, not only are most people resolutely against the war, but you also realize the absurdity and the evil of the US racial hierarchy. In Egypt, although Egyptians can be xenophobic as well, the concept of race really does not make any sense. The physical appearance of the people reflects Egypt
    s history and geography: Middle Eastern, African and Mediterranean, all at once, often in the same face. I only wished most people in the US reflected the US history and looked like a European, African, Native American and Asian mixture. Perhaps then the current war would not have been possible, and musings such as mine would be unnecessary.

  25. xenia wrote:

    Sorry for one more post, hope this is legit.

    PS If I were black in the US, I would hate the white people, as Malcolm X did, and my feelings would only become more nuanced with greater age and experience. However, I also think I would leave the country, and I would settle somewhere where I would not have to inflict self-doubt upon myself every moment of my existence. It gets tiring to fight against the great majority which has most of the power.

  26. Annahid@rogers.com wrote:

    Hey,

    A quick note from a Canadian anti-racist/ diversity educator…. congrats on writing such an honest, edge-pushing piece. I believe we need to find ways beyond the white/ guilty and coloured/angry duality that has been the limitation of pure anti-racism theory and approaches.

    Quick and random thoughts:
    -people of colour also have responsibilty to undo their own bias towards other groups. eg.many muslim communities have strong prejudice toward black people.
    -alongside the systemic story of racism there is also the story of personal healing. Both things are true and how do we hold space for more than one truth…
    -How can we find ways across the emotional divide and create spaces adn offer skills to keep people inquisitive, open and fundamentally in connection with one another?

    If we start holding whiteness as the problem as opposed to power dynamics themselves, we are in danger of de-humanizing white folks- as you point out in your article, we are then guilty of the same…

  27. Angela wrote:

    Powerful post Latoya. I’m still trying to sort out my position as an anti-racist since I was alienated by black people for most of my life and feel somewhat like a fraud (or, like Paul *g*) in taking up the cudgel and wielding it. But even now that I’m involved, I’m beginning to see the frustration and mistrust and clouds of mistrusting myself that crop up when wanting to discuss racial issues with white people, and I’m faced for the first time with the “novelty” of being rejected by white people. o.O Brava.

  28. BSA Pontif wrote:

    This is a GREAT post. I’d be very interested to hear you weigh in on the Millenia Black v. Penguin Group situation.

  29. alessandra wrote:

    just a note on the “people of color can’t be racist”– i firmly agree and think it would be helpful to actually have some common definition of racism so as not confuse it with prejudice. racism is race prejudice COMBINED with institutional power. race prejudice, stereotyping, and flat-out hatred, however are fully accessible (and utilized by) whites and people of color alike.

    historically, in the u.s. institutional power has simply not been accessible to people of color. as such, they (we) have not had the power or influence to create and maintain institutions or structures that are built on anti-white principles and policies. in cases where we have it is most certainly the exception.

    i would urge you to complicate your understanding of what exactly racism IS and how it has historically operated as opposed to prejudice which, though nonetheless poisonous, has had and continues to yield its own distinct results.

  30. dnA wrote:

    anti-white people or anti-whiteness?

  31. Benjamin wrote:

    being white doesn’t mean that you HAVE Privilege and supremacy,

    the eastern european, the jewish, the french-canadians,the acadians, the basque , ukranian, polish and many more i forget don’t have necesseraly this white PRIVILEGE and white SUPREMACY that the white ANGLO-SAXON have.

    i’m just tired that you put all the white people in the same basket , there’s too much generalization

    you should talk about the ANGLO SAXON privilege and supremacy, not the WHITE privilege

  32. Benjamin wrote:

    “Guilty Of Being White” by Minor Threat

    I’m sorry
    For something I didn’t do
    Lynched somebody
    But I don’t know who
    You blame me for slavery
    A hundred years before I was born

    GUILTY OF BEING WHITE [x4]

    I’m sorry
    For something I didn’t do
    Lynched somebody
    But I don’t know who
    You blame me for slavery
    A hundred years before I was born

    GUILTY OF BEING WHITE [x4]

    I’m a convict
    GUILTY
    Of a racist crime
    GUILTY
    I’ve only served
    GUILTY
    19 years of my time

    I’m sorry
    For something I didn’t do
    Lynched somebody
    But I don’t know who
    You blame me for slavery
    A hundred years before I was born

    GUILTY OF BEING WHITE [x4]

  33. gatamala wrote:

    Wow! You folks have managed to flesh out some serious issues here.

    Xenia Thanks for sharing your POV. You show how the more obvious and extreme forms of the battles swallow up other voices, and inflict a lot of pain. For all your battle scars you’ve gained a hell of a lot of insight.

    My thing is that I’ve been very familiar with whites due to my upbringing. However, I did have some other black folks that participated in community activities. To this day, I can hang with all, but sometimes I just need a “break” from educating or bearing insults.

    Sadly this experience was filled w/ the kind of things that Latoya mentioned. Racial slurs starting from kindergarten. The nword came in 4th grade. White parents wouldn’t let their daughters stay the night (same neighborhood). People moved out when we moved in. Physical attacks.

    LP your feelings mirror some of mine. However I cannot consider people that I can’t be “racially comfortable” (my own feeling) with as friends. Even in retrospect, I guess they were just acquaintances.

  34. Lisa wrote:

    I’ll chime in that when I meet white people, especially from the US, I automatically assume the worst from them. I assume they will be ignorant, arrogant and self-important. 70% of the time they are.

    They’re not blatantly racist, but often subtly so: the naive assumption that their lifestyle, socioeconomic position, cultural habits, what they see in the mirror is “normal”. And that anything different is “abnormal”. They tend to stick to their “own”, and avoid interaction with people who would challenge their assumptions. It makes me really uncomfortable to be around, placing in the dilemma of whether to ignore obnoxious remarks, or be the “killjoy” who calls people out on it.

    I am arguably racist towards white Americans - and I am one myself.

    I’ve lived in China for a decade, and get so frustrated with all the prejudices that people have towards me here, assuming because I’m white that I am stupid, gullible, loud and inconsiderate. But, most Caucasians in Asia do act that way, so I understand and sympathise with those biases.

    I suppose the formula works universally. Saying that some/most/a lot of ____ people are ____ may be quite true, not just or actually a stereotype. The problem is when the “some/most/a lot” becomes “all”.

  35. atlasien wrote:

    There are competing definitions of racism out there… I personally like the really simple definition that racism = prejudice plus power. Just plain power. If a large prejudiced non-white person physically beats up a small, white just-minding-their-own-business person, that’s racism to me.

    I agree institutionalized racism towards whites is rare and very much an exception. Anti-affirmative-action zealots love digging it out and blowing it way out of proportion wherever they can find it… but it does exist.

    I also think minorities face a higher penalty for anti-white prejudice/racism than the other way around. Even if a person can successfully organize life to totally minimize contact with white people, it’s often limiting economically… whereas prejudiced white people can limit their contact with non-whites much, much more easily. Odds are everyone will have to deal with a white teacher, banker, policeman, etc. at some point in their life and if you have nervousness and lack of confidence in that dealing, the outcome may not be optimal.

  36. atlasien wrote:

    Ha, I just saw that Minor Threat lyric post.

    I knew a kid in Miami who used it as his theme song… he made it his own by always singing the chorus “GUILTY OF BEING PUERTO RICAN!”.

  37. La - msviswan wrote:

    Latoya, this is a wonderful article and it’s very thought provoking. I could say so much about it because I relate so well. However, I do somewhat agree with Kai’s assessment on the comparison accept. This brings me to Carmen’s question:

    Atlasien said something similar to how I feel. I think things get taken out of context and have a nasty way of twisting in the other direction. I don’t like the reverse racism psychology rhetoric in attempt to dismiss my legitimates on anti-color racism. It’s exhausting and some people use it to cover aid their denial.

    Anyway, I feel relieved I can express these feelings also. I personally do not have any white friends and never really did. This is partly because I live in a predominately black community and mostly because I now have a strong intolerance for potential white denial. Sometimes I want to have white friends, but I don’t know how to relate. I try not to marginalize all white people, but I do have a strong distrust. This distrust was not passed on from my family, but from my own observations. I also get suspicious and annoyed when I see older white men with young black women. I start to think of my bias towards my older white Danish grandfather and my younger black grandmother. Michelle mentioned above, when she’s sometimes around white people she may feel helpless or so. I found that interesting because I’m the opposite. I found most of my experience with white people to be condescending towards me. Therefore, I now realize I subconsciously maintain an extra assertive demeanor to purposely somewhat intimidate them, I guess. I also realized, I stopped smiling with white people as an adult, because I’m afraid they take it for weakness or submissiveness. I’m trying hard to work on these :bias” issues I have. I’m getting tired and drained from being this defensive way, but I’m so afraid to let my guard down. Right now, I have an older white female Republican co-worker that’s putting me back from progress more each day.

    Someone in the office mentioned they pray for Latinos and Blacks to be at peace because they read Latinos were randomly killing blacks in LA, and a young black girl died recently. White female coworker, sarcastically asked if that’s the same state that let OJ go?

    Someone mentioned less blacks are signing up for the military since the war, white female coworker says out of the blue HER ancestors fought in the civil war to end “slavery”. (?)

    You see, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about too. It may seem minor, but how can I honestly be close friends with a maybe younger white female if she also happens to share these similar sentiments as well?

    Anyway, like I said I too can relate and I’m still re-evaluate my own bias feelings either way. Sorry to be so long, I love talking about race relations.

    Peace to all,

  38. donna darko wrote:

    Anti-white racism can be caused by prejudice based on experience, but yeah, it’s still racism.

    Whereas anti-POC racism is mostly caused by prejudice based on ignorance.

  39. egypt4 wrote:

    Xenia, I want to respond to your comment about race not exisitng in Egypt. I disagree. I’ve only been here a short time, but comments I’ve heard from other people who live here suggest otherwise.

    Many Egyptians are light br0wn, Arab stock, with straight, dark hair and brown eyes. However, there are many darker Egyptians, who are usually “Nubians” from the southern part of Egypt near Sudan. These people look like black Africans, not Middle Eastern Arabs. And you won’t see many Nubians with a lot of political power in Egypt.

    A white American woman friend of mine who has a black daughter says she has noticed different and preferential treatment of her daughter by the Nubians, especially in bureaucratic situations where things are held up.

    As a smart woman pointed out on my own blog, even in old tomb paintings, women are portrayed as having lighter skin than the men.

    Finally, colorism exists elsewhere in Africa, at least in Ethiopia. People in Ethiopia range from light brown to very dark. When I adopted my first son, an Ethiopian friend in Ethiopia commented to me, “Oh, good, he’s not dark; he’s light.”

    This has little to do with Latoya’s post, but I did want to correct some misperceptions about Egypt.

  40. ccch wrote:

    Great piece!. About time too!.

    Living, working in Europe as a PoC has helped me greatly to confront my inbred prejudices as most Europeans, although discreet, are not afraid to call one out on such “discrepancies”. This had the benefit of dismantling the chip on the shoulder I brought over here with me and finally enabling me to openly discuss with my colleagues about racism. It amazed me how enlightening my European colleagues are, but do realize they’re coming from a “freer” historical stand point.
    Although I as a PoC may carry a burden of my history, the opposite is true for whites and anyone. Dialogue and the willingness to empathise (no man is ultimately an island) should be givens if our goal is to absolve guilt and blame towards a humanely richer society.

    PS: I love the expression PoC as it’s not exclusive. For too long other minorities’ voices haven’t been heard!

  41. crista wrote:

    oooo i like what atlasien wrote: “”I also think minorities face a higher penalty for anti-white prejudice/racism than the other way around. Even if a person can successfully organize life to totally minimize contact with white people, it’s often limiting economically… whereas prejudiced white people can limit their contact with non-whites much, much more easily.”

    j agree!!!!! basically, if they want to, a white person can forget race even exists, save for a few added color on TV.

    I think its pretty hard for someone who is not white to forget that, even if the contact is minimal. the magazines at the grocery store the smiling faces on advertising the people on billboards, the nation’s leaders, the president, the celebrities…… i mean how many look like ”you??” (do i need to argue the importanct of seeing someone in the media who looks like yourself)

    So, facing, dealing with, talking about, discussing, self questions, and all the self discipline that goes into informing your own opinions on race, and racism is something that can never be forgot. I think the dialogue is more…there..like how the author described. Not saying only white people are racists, but i think its probably something more of an active racism, dynamic..changing.

    For white racists, they can actually go on in a happy go lucky world never questioning and never really having that dialogue. I think there are people who are white who have never questioned their place.

    i think it would be hard in America to find someone who wasn’t white who had.

  42. latinamericanprinces wrote:

    I’m pretty new to Racialicious but am totally addicted. This is by far the most outstanding post I have read to date. As others have pointed out power is important in the discussion, as well as self-esteem. There is a difference between hate/prejudice JUST for the sake of hate/prejudice and hate/prejudice resulting from a lifetime of bad experiences. Of course getting over the hate is vital in both cases. And hating back isn’t going to solve anything.

    Getting over ignorance is another story though, which is one of the most difficult parts of the issue these days. Today’s insidious, subtle racism is harder to combat because most people just don’t see it (don’t want to see it, can’t be bothered, etc. etc.).

    But in this post and discussion I see some incredibly heartening breakthroughs.

    1. self-healing and coming to terms. I sometimes wonder if blogging makes a difference but the comments from people about increasing self-awareness and self-healing are proof of the power of the medium. I think it is because of the dialogical and reciprocal nature of it.

    2. racism is a dialogue between Others. While power has historically made the discussion seem one side, this post and it’s double-sided discussion marks an important shift in the discussion of racism and issues of race (in my humble opinion). Ok, this is hard for me to put into words. It may sound a bit strange, but bear with me please. In crude terms: blacks didn’t even have enough power to be racist before, but that has been changing. Now it is critical though to avoid walking down that racist path and dialogue more as equals. Not that it is completely equal yet, but the next step in achieving greater equality should perhaps be dialoguing more as equals.

    3. “white people” as it is sometimes used is a dehumanizing, stereotyping label also. Just as we latinos, arab americans, blacks and other groups are fighting to be recognized as highly diverse groups and to break the stereotypes imposed on us, we should avoid stereotyping and lumping the Other. The Golden Rule or Ethic of Reciprocity is a good guidance here.

    Having never personally experienced extreme racism and discrimination in the U.S., it was difficult to completely understand some people’s feelings in reaction, but I have always firmly believed all humans are equal and we should keep fighting for that reality. In Europe I have experienced some frustration for treatment I receive for being American (I can’t help where I was born, anymore than one can help what color one’s skin is), so I am beginning to understand the hatred better. I am also surprised by how much some native Dutch remind me of ignorant, racist white Americans. However all of it just shows that racism, prejudice and hate come in all forms and sizes. We are all the same and yet we are all different. It’s amazing and so hard to comprehend at the same time. And there just isn’t one solution. We need as many solutions as there are problems and open, honest and balanced dialogue (like on this post) seems like a good way to go.

    You are all heroes in my book!

  43. The Joy Princess wrote:

    LP: you may want to think about possibly submitting some version of this to the My Turn column in Newsweek, depending on how you feel about sharing such a personal story with such a mag and audience.

  44. Lainad wrote:

    Great post, Latoya.

    I agree with atlesien, I think that it is more socially tolerable when whites express racist thoughts / ideology verus when a person of colour does. It seems rational; and for POC’s it’s like, “how dare you? You are ungrateful.” As a transracial adoptee whose family is white, I get that alot when my anti-racist work and writings are brought up during family events.

    Whenever I answer a question on a project or something I wrote ( hey, my parents brag about me…totally clueless but I love them!) one of my relatives thinks that providing their opinion as a “explanation,” it will solve all the racial problems of the world, or stop me from doing what I do. Several years ago, I stopped notifying people whenever something was published or I when I appeared on a radio or TV program because of the response and knowing how I would respond, which is biting my lip so I wouldn’t curse them out. It is hurtful how despite these people knowing me (or believing that they do) all my life, they think so little of me that my life’s work is considered irrelevant.

    Despite my family situation, I too stugggle sometimes with anti-white sentiments and one of the above posters hit it on the head for me: from not only the racism I experienced at a young age but the exclusion, of not feeling like a human being has impacted me greatly - not feeling like a woman, a sexual being who can exercise their sensuality in a positive, healthy way without being taken advantage of (curiously enough, a lot of my black girlfriends struggle with that too).

    It is hard to reconcile the hatred I felt as a kid because I knew that how I was treated was wrong, but the resentment I am still struggling with because of the emotional baggage that has lasted over 30 years has greatly affected my adult life. So my thoughts are because of lived experiences and I have a difficult time sympathising with whites who harbour racist thoughts just for the sake of having them. There is a difference, even though both circumstances are wrong.

    Off to therapy!!!

  45. merq wrote:

    Killer post, Latoya. And great comments, folks.

  46. Tracey wrote:

    I always get to the discussion late since my firewall prevents me from commenting from work. I just wanted to say how much I loved this post. Thank you so much for putting yourself out there and writing it. I agree that it is one of the very special things about this forum that people can be so much more open than they often are in other places that should matter just as much (like schools and communities).

  47. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Kai/Alessandra -

    I completely see your points. I have heard the arguments many times about how POCs cannot be racist because they lack power to enforce their racist beliefs.

    While I understand the argument, I do not agree with it. A large component of racism does come from power. However, people lacking in social power can also be racist.

    I intentionally identified my actions as racist, not simply prejudiced, because I feel that many people of color do not see prejudiced or bigoted behavior as racism.

    This is especially important with how PoCs interact with each other. If I do not see myself as racist, why would I think comments aimed at other races were racist?

    I have heard African-Americans use racial slurs against Asians (first gen or otherwise) and Muslims, and vice versa. But they do not perceive the comments as racist.

    I personally feel like claiming an ugly label such as “racist” does force you to think through your motives for saying what you are saying and doing what you are doing. That’s why the word was used.

    As for Anti-White Racism vs. Anti-White Prejudice…is it ok if we adjourn this temporarily in favor of dedicating a conversation to it in the future? I think the concepts that are put forth in that argument are worth exploring and examining as a whole topic - not just notes in a comments section.

  48. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Benjamin -

    Please explain to me how in the context of American conversation, I can quickly determine your ethnic make up and background by the color of your skin.

    Unfortunately, I cannot.

    I have met a sum total of one white person who took the pains to identify himself as anything other than the generic term “white.”

    He identified as French-Canadian - and my experiences with him were the same as with any other random white person. He told e - in a suggestive manner - that women of color were more wild in bed, and had better sex drives.

    Unbidden mind you - we weren’t dating, we were two coworkers waiting for the metro after work.

    Also, Benjamin, also keep in mind that white people have the luxury of complete assimilation.

    Even if your relatives came over here in the 1980s, fleeing from oppressive poverty, social injustice, persecution, or what have you, once you shed your accent, you can become one of the many “white” Americans in this country. If you grew up here, you have for the most part assimilated.

    My family might have been in America for centuries - and I say might because I do not know - but I will always be acknowledged as being black first, American second. You could be a second generation settler, and be seen as American first, white second.

    Unless you SAY otherwise, I will not know.

    Also, I don’t think anyone is “guilty” of being white. People are guilty of being willfully ignorant of history, and people are guilty of willfully ignoring how this tainted history we share plays out in today’s society.

    I invite you to stay and check out some more of our conversations. As you can see from my post, I am trying not to judge people solely on their whiteness.

    However, quoting trite song lyrics makes it kind of difficult for me…I’m having yet another “justified racist moment,” so can you please refrain from doing that?

    I look forward to seeing your comments in other discussions.

  49. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    LM, Xenia, Gatamala, La, Lainad, ccch, Crista, donna, and egypt - great comments. I really appreciate you all sharing your experiences and perspectives.

    Donna - that is a great way to look at things. A bit simplified, but I like how you phrased it.

    LM - I agree…the last thing I want is martyrdom for the cause. And, as I think I wrote in another post, I cannot stand self-hating white people.

    We are working through some very heavy topics and issues, and anger & guilt are two emotions that quickly rise to the surface. But I think white people have been done a great disservice by being made to feel that being proud of your heritage is wrong. What’s worse, I feel, is that the entire concept of “white pride” has been co-opted by white supremacists - where do regular white people go to be proud of their achievements?

    I know a lot of white people take their interest in culture and heritage, and channel that into being American - however, that is difficult to do, as America was built on the backs of so many different types of people.

    I would be interested to see how some of our white readers try to reconcile that tricky balance. Do white people feel as though they can express pride in their race?

    I feel like PoCs have a lot more of an opportunity to come to grips with both the negative aspects and the positive aspects of our histories.

    So while African-Americans may cringe when Hot Ghetto Mess seems to reinforce the negative stereotypes and reflections that are attributed to our race, we can still find a shared element of pride in our culture, heritage and perseverance.

    I wonder how white people find a balance.

  50. ccch wrote:

    Latoya Peterson wrote:
    I wonder how white people find a balance.

    So do I.

    Latoya/anyone
    Do you think that’s why the media (which is largely white) re-enforces the negative stereotypes of minorities?. Could it be perhaps a form of protest, as, like Latoya insinuated, they perhaps lack a “shared element of pride in their culture”, because they are not allowed to show pride in their heritage for fear of being labeled racist?. OMGoodness!!!.

    Man, this blog helped to open my perspective to other minorities, now you’re forcing me to place myself, to analyse, empathise with the majority. And I honestly don’t like what I’ve been projecting!!!

  51. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Joy -

    Interesting thought. It is way personal, and I agonized over this piece for about three months before I was able to express all of these feelings in a way I felt would be a conversation, and not a vent or a rant or a justification of my own prejudices.

    I spent a lot of time thinking about some of LM’s comments to my post on Cathy Sulstri, and wondering if my strong reaction to her piece was a part of my anti-white prejudice. I eventually came to the conclusion that it was a combination of things:

    1. Some of it was anti-white sentiment. I find it very hard to drum up sympathy for white people who present themselves as helpless in dealing with their racist thoughts, or as if they are victims of us harsh minority perspectives. (Hence why that Minor Threat song chafes me a bit - what, am I supposed to shed a tear for your false sense of oppression?)

    2. It was also my cynicism as a writer. As a freelancer fighting to get published, I know how powerful a hook is in getting your foot in the door. A white woman writing is just like anyone else. A white woman that is a reluctant racist has a hook. She can explore her feelings in multiple op-ed pieces. It is a piece that many white people can relate to (remember that real housewives comment about chinamen, and the waves of support that followed.) It could potentially be a book deal. So, in effect, being a racist would be profitable, and could lead to more work. A cynical capitalist viewpoint, but a true one…

    3. The quick brush off. I am also put off from having these conversations with whites because at any time they can choose to opt-out. Penalty free. I invited Sulustri here on her blog, and she did not respond, as far as I know. I did, however, see a piece where she confronts the white supremacists who posted on her blog, and emphatically tells her neighbor “I would rather live here the rest of my life, than to ever be like them!”

    I read that and thought, there’s the cop-out. You have found someone else to villify - those are the real racists. No more introspection needed. And as far as I am aware, there has not been any more discussion of race on that blog. So now - rightly or wrongly - I feel justified that it was all an act. She didn’t give a fuck about eradicating her racist thoughts, she found peace with them instead.

    Like I said, I could be misconstruing. But that is how I felt.

    Still, LM’s comments (or rather, his reactions to my comments) really stuck me deep, and kind of forced me to write this one.

    Sharing this with a mass audience though, I need to think about.

    The readers of Racialicious, I feel a connection to. You prove your dedication to conversation, insight, and thought by just being here. I really do feel that this is an intimate space, and I value the opinions and ideas presented by the people who take the time to comment regularly.

    I read your blogs that you link to, your reactions to other posts, and I feel like there is a connection here.

    Taking these ideas into a less forgiving space - particularly early on in my writing career, could have ramifications beyond what I can consider.

    So, thank you for the suggestion, and I think this would be a great dialogue to open up to a larger audience.

    However, the most important thing to me when I write is to make sure my ideas are understood. Clearly. The last thing I would want is for white readers to take the piece as an attack. So, if anyone has any suggestions on how to provoke thought, rather than create a divisive debate, please let me know.

    (Luckily, this topic is evergreen - no real rush to make a decision now.)

  52. crista wrote:

    its hard to express ”pride” in something that in society is read as just ‘normal” and just the way things are ‘’supposed” to be. I think there is a small nuance to the way you discuss this racialized term of WHITE and then these underlying identifications of nationality (irish, german, etc. etc.)

    i think people who are not white usually dont have this ‘’solidarity” like, oh we are white together.that will bring us together and create common ground.

    from the time i grew up i was taught that who i am is defined individually. I was never forced to be recognized first by a giant collective ”you are (insert race) so you should do this action.”

    So..while there is this idea of ”the black experiance” or maybe ” the asian experiance” those things fail to recognize the vast difference of experiances that can be contained under the skin of that person which are also tempered by class..

    ”the white experiance” recognizes that, at least i think if you are talking about us white folk getting together to talk about ourselves. It about where you are from, what your parents did. The collective ”pride” i think comes in another forms.

    And definately not taught..wow JFK was an awesome president and WHITE. lets me proud of that…

    Now, maybe people who are looking in, who think of all the benefits and privaledges affored white people, you see this white experiance very very clearly. and you see commonalities. But for me, as white person. I am taught to see my experiance as the norm. And see myself only as an individual. Its everyone else who is ”different.”

  53. Kai wrote:

    Latoya, I absolutely see your point as well; and knowing what a fine crafter of language you are, there was no doubt in my mind that your word choices were conscious and meaningful.

    I agree that the taxonomy of racism deserves a whole examination and discussion unto itself. And of course I agree that POC can hold racist attitudes toward other POC; indeed I like to say that all of us, of all backgrounds, who are socialized in a racist society internalize and participate in racism, even against ourselves, in our own minds. One of my big goals as an anti-racist is coalition-building between communities of color, and needless to say it can be tough-going, since racism is designed to pit us against one another as we triangulate against whiteness. When people of color propagate or uphold racism, I usually describe this behavior as “pro-racist” in order to distinguish my usage from the reactionary usage you see on the far right, which is intended to reduce the word “racism” to a bunch of relativistic criss-crossed fingerpointing which ignores empirical social inequality and race-class stratification. But then, I’m not married to any particular semantic scheme either, so we’ll see where all this goes.

    In any case, thanks for this wonderful piece of prose and rich discussion! I totally understand your hesitancy of going mass market with a piece like this, it is highly charged terrain with plenty of peril; though of course if you do decide to go big, I’ll be cheering you on.

    Peace.

  54. Mark N. wrote:

    Latoya, this post is bloody brilliant.

    I wish to continue on something Latinamericanprincess said about perceptions of Americans overseas. I found that when I experienced anti-Americanism while living abroad that it didn’t matter about the ethnic origins of my American friends abroad when it came to getting blamed for actions (both current and long in the past) taken by our country. I realized that at least in my experience, we all, fairly or unfairly, seem to have to share the burdens of empire, the legacy wrought by slavery and brutal removal of natives from this continent, etc. Even those among the oppressed in this country are tainted by the fact that we are citizens of this global superpower. Not that I’m suggesting this will bring us all together as uberpatriots or something like that nor do I mean to say we shouldn’t vigorously challenge our own beliefs. However, I do find it fascinating just how many layers all of these fears and prejudices have, especially when the international meets the local. Once again though, brilliant post and great comments, I’m so so glad that I discovered this site, I really do learn more and more with every post.

  55. LM wrote:

    I’m reading through the comments and there are so many dangling threads off which I’m tempted to spin that I’m verging on paralysis.

    On the concept of “white pride” (Latoya #49): I think there’s no such thing, except as a racist response to the concept of “black” or any other racial/ethnic pride, which tends to spring from completely different contexts. So no one ought try to co-opt “white pride” from white supremacist groups.

    This isn’t to say that a white person has nothing to be proud of… but it isn’t of being white. It’s also not to say white people should be ashamed of being white.

    But the short way most white Americans express non-virulent “white pride” is by saying, “I’m proud to be an American.” And we’re all familiar with what goes unsaid behind that seemingly innocent phrase. (BTW — I’m not against people being proud to be Americans, or against them saying it. The problems come from ignorance about why someone else — including your fellow American — might be uncomfortable about saying the same thing, or why that pride as an American ought well be mixed with shame.)

    I don’t have time now to lay my thoughts out in more detail but will do my best to return here shortly. In the meantime, if someone would like to build on or shred my beginning I will read with interest.

  56. Lloyd Webber wrote:

    This post hits pretty close to home. I’ve been struggling with these kinds of internal feelings pretty much since I’ve been interacting with white people. I moved to Canada as a teenager, and the sheer amount of ignorant comments I got such as “have you ever seen a car?, how come you speak english?, do you speak in clicks?” The fact that I refused to humor their ignorant questions just made me somewhat of a pariah. I was only one of 2 blacks in the entire school and the crushing sense of isolation was pretty overwhelming. Pretty much all my experiences with whites have been negative. And yet I try very hard not to make any sweeping generalizations, but so far the rewards I’ve gotten for trying my best to be anti racist is just more ridicule and the most hurtful slurs and remarks possible. But its the right thing to do so one must continue.

  57. MoxieHart wrote:

    Hey,
    I’m new to Racialicious, I just found out about it through Bitch magazine.
    I identify as white/Native American–I look very white but my Native American heritage is really important to me.
    I liked this article a lot. It did make me uncomfortable, in a good way, because it made me question some assumptions that I’d taken for granted.
    So thanks for posting this.

  58. atlasien wrote:

    Yep this is a great discussion!

    LP: “What’s worse, I feel, is that the entire concept of “white pride” has been co-opted by white supremacists - where do regular white people go to be proud of their achievements?”

    I think it’s actually not too hard for truly progressive white people to negotiate this. It sounds tricky in theory, but regular people do it all the time… they just celebrate other aspects of their identity: ethnic and regional. As a white person you can be a proud Southerner, Vermonter, Acadian, Portuguese-descended, Scotch-Irish, etcetera. Being proud of these aspects of your identity doesn’t invoke hatred and exclusion like “white pride” does. I think that’s the healthiest position for a white person to take: proud of their ethnic and regional identity inherited from their ancestors, neutral and critical (but not guilty or ashamed) when it comes to their whiteness.

    I forgot where I read this, but there was a great book that argued that white people have a lot of freedom to separate their race and ethnicity. A simple example: you can be a proud Irish-American without going into “white pride” or sparing much thought about what it means to be white. The same book argued that African-Americans have the least degree of freedom to separate race and ethnicity. So it’s socially unacceptable to say you’re a proud Irish-American if you are of visible black descent, even if you’re equally of Irish descent… race restricts ethnicity.

    Other people of color fall somewhere between those two extremes. For example, Asian-Americans strongly articulate their separate ethnicities but are still lumped together as one race. The situation with Latinos is weird and complicated… ethnicity restricts race (Anglo-socially, a black Latino is often ambiguously black, a white Latino ambiguously white) and becomes a quasi-racial category in itself.

  59. CScarlet wrote:

    Latoya- I have enjoyed every one of your posts so, so much. You have such an open writing style.

    I really relate at this point in my life to your description of the process/state of being an anti-racist. Being the one that stares or tries to ignore racist jokes. Being told you have no sense of humor. Checking yourself, every minute, with every thought. And thinking over your day and cringing over things you said/did or could have.

    Again, this was so awesome.

  60. Colin wrote:

    “The reason I am involved with racial activism today, the motivation behind wanting to build bridges and understanding between different groups of people, the reason I found Racialicious in the first place all stems from one thing: my intrinsic bias against white people.”

    I don’t understand; are you saying here that your anti-racist activities were part and parcel with your anti-white prejudice?

  61. JC wrote:

    I don’t really find myself being anti-white in real life; in fact I tried hard not to think of anyone around me in racist stereotypes.

    However, I find myself being weary of white dominated media and cultural ideas. I often try to debug my mind to avoid looking at the world through “white” and Euro-centric eyes. I also find myself prefer creative efforts, whether it be music, film, books, or works of art, by people of color (or rather, anyone not White). It’s not that I would hate a book by a white author, but I would enjoy and seek out works by a non-white person.

    I guess you can call this anti-white racism in a way, but as hard as I try, this cultural bias is something I can’t diminish no matter how hard I try. I feel like I’m living in a lily white world, and any sort of “color” will keep my intellectual mind alive. I guess deep inside I’m just sick and tired of white people claiming everything of value in the history of mankind as their own achievement.

  62. Emily wrote:

    Latoya -

    You asked if white people have cultural pride in being white outside of white supremecist organizations and I think the answer is no. I think expressing pride in “white people’s achievements” would be weird, though I suppose it is done in certain euphemistic ways.

    What I mean is, being proud of the contributions of “Western Civilization” or emphasizing the importance of the “judeo-christian” heritage of our legal system is I think for some people code for celebrating the historical achievements of white people as a group. Of course, using it that way erases the contributions of non-whites within those broader categories.

    Other than these types of euphemisms, I think many white people do take pride in the achievements of a sub-group that they identify with - either by country of origin or by religion or by some more local unit of identity such as home town. I don’t know if any of these are really “equivalent” since PoC of course have home towns and religions and countries of origin too.

    I guess one question for me that comes out of that paragraph of your comment is - what is white people’s “heritage.” For me, I think, I have always considered my “heritage” Jewish, though my “race” is white. I think it’s sort of strange but interesting too to think about to what degree I even have a concept of “white heritage.” I do think the only people putting out a concrete notion of “white heritage” are white supremecists.

  63. LM wrote:

    Co-sign with crista #52, Atlasien #58 and Emily #62 as a continuation of my comments #55 (not that they were responding to mine).

  64. Mimi wrote:

    Xenia: “PS If I were black in the US, I would hate the white people, as Malcolm X did”.

    Please go to the official Malcolm X website and read his biography. http://www.cmgworldwide.com/historic/malcolm/about/index.php

    I think it’s a huge discredit to Malcolm X and his important work to bring it down to the base statement that he hated white people. He was one of many people that paved the way for us to be having discussions like this.

    “That same year, Malcolm went on a pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The trip proved life altering. For the first time, Malcolm shared his thoughts and beliefs with different cultures, and found the response to be overwhelmingly positive. When he returned, Malcolm said he had met “blonde-haired, blued-eyed men I could call my brothers.” He returned to the United States with a new outlook on integration and a new hope for the future. This time when Malcolm spoke, instead of just preaching to African-Americans, he had a message for all races.”

  65. Kai wrote:

    Emily, great points. There’s a big difference between ethnic pride and “white” pride (and “racial pride”, but that’s another matter). From what I understand, whiteness has no actual corporeal meaning outside of the context of white supremacism, it’s a socially constructed class defined by the class structure which it serves. It was invented for that purpose and has been modified over the course of history to suit changing socio-political circumstances. In contrast, ethnic pride — Irish pride, Italian pride, Greek pride, Jewish pride, etc — celebrates the positive accomplishments of a cultural lineage, and all the people in that lineage who made positive contributions to their civilization, oftentimes before the modern construction of whiteness even existed.

  66. egypt4 wrote:

    I don’t have “white pride” and would run screaming from anyone who said they did! But I certainly don’t think I need it either.

    I think of my heritage as being a combo of French, Polish, German, and Irish ancestors, though I relate most to one more than the others, because of family ties on that side. I have a sense of being a native New Englander with a liberal Catholic upbringing.

    On another note: I filled out an equal employment card the other day and noted again that people of Middle Eastern descent are lumped with people of European descent. But people of Middle Eastern descent (or appeared Middle Eastern descent, or who appear Muslim, or any combo) face huge discriminimation in the US.

    So counting numbers (which is what those forms do) doesn’t give a sense of the big picture at all.

  67. xenia wrote:

    egypt4–

    I am not naive about politics, and my husband and I both speak Arabic, and he has lived in Egypt. Africans have been enslaved since classical Egyptian times, but they have also held very high positions of power, and they were not the only slaves, as Turks, Caucasians, Slavs and an occasional Italian were also enslaved, and it was no chattel slavery. It’s complicated, and it meant something different for each period of time. As for the color of women in ancient Egyptian representations, you can also turn it around and say blackness is the sign of stronger male power. Aristocratic women were paler, because they were not exposed to the sun. So, you look at race and you find history and class. The US is the same way, but their racism is in some ways more interesting, because it is one of the pillars of the entire society, and everyone is constantly affected by it.

    Power structures, as everywhere, have shifted constantly. Many Egyptians today may hold racist ideas, but it is a fact that most Egyptians are also undeniably mixed: from Circassians to Greeks to Arabs to many-subsaharan Africans, everyone’s family tree is marked by that complex and rich history. You cannot define “the average Egyptian” as white, the appearance of most people denies the firm existence of separate races. So, racism in Egypt is also a form of self-hatred, and it is not the same kind as in the US. In the US, if racism were gone, it would also shake much of the capitalism. Egypt, as a client state to the US, would be capitalist regardless of racism or lack of it. Racism in its current form is an import (older forms may have been different, but they never stopped people from intermarrying). So, the Egyptian racism is not a cornerstone of the society as it is in the US and it is less virulent. You don’t have lynching of Africans as Africans.

    Where I’m from, people found most Scandinavians uglier than blacks, because they could not brown up in the sun, and yet I know many people wouldn’t be happy if a black guy married their daughter (to name the classic nasty petit bourgeois argument). But in my country, blacks were extremely rare before the 20th century, so you can call it a form of peasant stupidity toward anyone who is not from his village. During the war, many girls married blacks, because suddenly blackness meant a good passport and the possibility to emigrate. So, within just a few years, the understanding of race changed.

    In short, sure there is racism in Egypt, but in great part it is influenced by colonialism, by self-hatred, by the inane Lebanese pop culture. I insist that racism, just like anti-Semitism or today’s anti-Arabism, is historical. It is not immutable and it is not eternal. If most refugees from the south were wealthy, there would be few comments about their color of skin.

    Again, if you want to talk about the Lebanese, I would agree that they are very racist…but I do not know if they have always been so either.

  68. FrancesM wrote:

    Wow! Latoya your honesty was so beautiful! I struggle with racism (which I define as prejudice towards individuals & groups based upon notions of race) and wholly identify as an anti-racist activist. I’m guilty of making Jewish jokes. I’m guilty of not being as nice to someone as I could because they were white. I’m guilty of seeing the quote-unquote big black man walking towards me at night & being scared. I’m guilty of seeing people acting out my preconceived notions of them & hating them.

    I’d like to think or at least I hope that my work as an activist & doing tangible works to benefit equality for all humans has helped my racist karma. But what seems to help me most is doing just what you did Latoya- honesty. To admit my prejudice, to admit my mistakes. To admit these things & then actively work towards changing my thoughts & attitudes. If I don’t acknowledge the hate & pain of racism I can’t move past it & help others to do the same.

    The forgiveness & understanding of my own prejudices helped me to feel a little less angry towards those who are or would be racist towards me. That maybe if we all had ways to take action & see racism not only as something that “kinda sucks for some people” but as what I feel it is, a dis-ease of perception, we can really heal ourselves & the world(s) around us.

    So how do we take ACTION? I heard a long time ago that people can’t think their way into right action, but must act their way into right thinking. So far there is no 12 step racism recovery group. There are no prejudice rehab’s. But there are groups like Carmen’s anti-racism group. There is this wonderful website Racialicious & the equally great podcast Addicted to Race that gives folks a chance to listen. And to really listen with all out heart is a great way to take action.

    The price we pay for being honest can be great. So many are afraid of their own feelings. But getting honest with ourselves & then finding the ways to do the real work of erasing racism within & around us does have rewards. The rewards are being able to have that one moment when we look at someone & see the person & not just their skin color. We get moments where we can be satisfied with the freedom knowing ourselves & becoming the people we wish to become. We get to listen (as George Michael would say) without prejudice one moment, one day at a time. We get to know others experiences with race & racism & not shut them down. We get to see folk’s skin not as something that defines a them but adds to their experience.

    Well that’s enough out of me! Peace y’all.
    ~F

  69. Dawn wrote:

    Thanks Latoya:

    I have thought quite a bit about this lately as I try to put my own feelings in perspective. I find on an individual level I do okay, but it’s the “group” think or systematic racism that triggers some pretty angry thoughts that I have held onto over the years. Some picked up from family some developed from observation.

    I just tell myself to try and find a healthy balance, because it really is not all in my head… some folks are racist. However, I remind myself that hatred tends to destroy the one who hates more quickly than the one who is hated. And I am trying to stick around as long as I am supposed to.

  70. squidfly wrote:

    James Baldwin wrote; What did the Irish, the Jews, the Polish and the Italians have to give up in order to be white in America ?
    Racsim was imposed on me, I didn’t seek it.
    I discovered around the age of 10 that white people were always reacting to me, and no matter what, they would always remind me that I was Black.
    I’ve never turned the other cheek, because the white kids I knew would throw a punch.
    I don’t believe in being the teacher to white folks and holding their hands to walk through the scary forest of their race issues.
    I don’t judge my friends on skin color, but nine times out of ten white people will dissapoint and just say something idiotic.
    When it comes to race white people just get stupid, it’s like mad cow disease.
    When the media sidesteps, the comment by the cop in the Larry Craig sting…”I expected someone from the hood to lie” or Lindsay Lohan getting a free pass on “It was the Black Kid” You either make a decison to move on, or internalize the rage and take it out on other people of color, which in turn becomes, intra-racism. POC are under assault in America and in Europe, and you have to decide if you’re in the battle or not, because if you’re not then you better have a great medical Insurance, because the stress, the daily slights and tears of the soul, dealing with White Supremacy will eat at you like a parasite.
    If people push, then you have to push back. I’m not racist but I am a race man. My favorite phrase of the moment is “Speak truth to Power” Because when I speak the Historical truth, then I may sound like a racist.
    The solution, maybe a race Rehab for White folks?

  71. Christopher wrote:

    Please find the Race Traitor article “The White Anti-Racist Is an Oxymoron:
    An Open Letter to “White Anti-Racists””

    I personally believe in the abolition of the concept of whiteness. It was an idea constructed out of imperialism and, like “nigger”, does nothing but invoke ideas of superiority and inferiority and who has a full stake in the enterprises of humanity…

  72. ilana wrote:

    Thank you for this article- I find it truly inspiring that you have undertaken this journey and this introspection. As a Ashkenazi Jew who “passes” I found it very relevant to try to understand why some people f color harbor anti-white sentiments.

    In response to someone’s above comment (I forget who), I think that Whites may be quiet in regard to anti-White racism in anti-racist circles is because they feel that they have no right to complain when other groups have suffered on a much greater scale, historically. Or they may feel they might be judged. I know that I’ve felt this way on occasion.

    Anyway, thanks for a really inspiring and relevant post. I always enjoy Latoya’s articles.

  73. LM wrote:

    @ Christopher… I think many people struggle with is the notion that biology, by itself, is NOT determinant of attitudes, actions, decisions, later in life re: race. Therefore it’s a long, lonely leap for most people in the United States to view the concept of “whiteness” itself can be coincidental to skin color.

    Part of this is that “whiteness,” like the word “racism” has many widely variant meanings to different people, often depending on the context. And that yes, contrary to what I wrote a paragraph ago, skin color is an incredibly important component to “whiteness.”

    The thing is that “whiteness” — the component of racism, not the description of skin color — needs buy-in from us that says skin color along determines things, instead of reactions to the built-in (but often hidden and unspoken) lies of a racist system and structure. So if we support the notion that white people are racist because of their biology (alone), we are supporting the notion of “whiteness,” which in turn justifies other components of racism.

    On a ground-floor level, I guess what I’m saying is that a white man in America does not have to succumb to “whiteness” though most outside observers would see this person as a “white man,” leading to relatively predictable acceptance and rejection based on race when that’s a determining factor. In the end, any changes we’re making — beyond those already in motion — mean we’re acting against the grain of society. This just happens to be one of those areas.

    I’m getting dizzy from all this. This stuff is incredibly taxing to write about coherently (I feel like 75 percent of my ideas at the start of this post starting flying about, and they won’t let me catch them), which is another reason why I admire so much Carmen, Kai, Latoya, Wendi et al. for writing consistently and well.

  74. Michelle wrote:

    #56, “The crushing sense of isolation..” What a tragicaly beautiful comment on what the experience of racism can sometimes feel like.

    Just to add my thoughts and questions…..Other than the experience of being free of having to think about race, ever…is there any thing about being White than POC in America aren’t intimately familiar with? This may seem like a stretch, but I feel that most people of color in America, in order to survive and thrive, must have an intimate understanding of what it means to be white because white-ness equates with normalcy in America. What is there about being White that any person of color couldn’t articulate? I think a case can be made that America’s experience and experiment with freedom was largely based on being able to check an ethnic identity at the door, or rather the portals of Ellis Island, and to become White and thereby fully American. America was the great “equalizer” by becoming one of the first countries in modern history to organize it’s definitions of humanity around race (with the two poles being Black and White) rather than class, birth order, the status of one’s parents, or one’s religion (and I recognize that Jews faced discrimation in America, but certaintly not the level persecution that Jews faced in Russia, Poland, etc.).

    So, I agree with many of the above post and I really believe there is not a White identity, and if there is, I think it equates with being a “real” American. We are all invited to share the culture, we just don’t have the priveledges. However, “White” people are granted full and unquestioned participation in the American dream.

    Lastly, LP, Wendi, Carmen, et al…I would love to see you guys publish a book with all of your articles. It would wonderful!

  75. dnA wrote:

    To whomever posted those old ass minor threat lyrics, you should know that Ian Macaye came around a few years later and realized he wasn’t such a victim…

    From Fugazi’s “Suggestion”:

    Why can’t i walk down a street free of suggestion?
    Is my body the only trait in the eye’s of men?
    I’ve got some skin
    You want to look in
    There lays no reward in what you discover
    You spent yourself watching me suffer
    Suffer you words, suffer your eyes, suffer your hands
    Suffer your interpretation of what it is to be a man

    I’ve got some skin
    You want to look in
    She does nothing to deserve it
    He only wants to observe it
    We sit back like they taught us
    We keep quiet like they taught us
    He just wants to prove it
    She does nothing to remove it
    We don’t want anyone to mind us
    So we play the roles that they assigned us
    She does nothing to conceal it
    He touches her ’cause he wants to feel it
    We blame her for being there
    But we are all guilty

    I may listen to mostly Hip-hop, but I’m still from DC. Don’t try to quote some ignorant ass teenage punk shit from my city and act like that’s the last word.

  76. Latoya Peterson wrote: