Free The Jena Six Now

by guest contributor dnA, originally published at Too Sense

I’ve been in my share of fights. It’s something that happens when you’re a young racially ambiguous kid thrust into the public school system in Washington D.C. A few of them I still have scars from.

The most consistent theme in my many trips to the Principal’s office is the fact that this answer, given by the parents of the white student who was allegedly beaten by six young black men (One of whom, Mychal Bell, has already been convicted by an all-white jury of aggravated battery and conspiracy and faces possibly 22 years in prison.) who are now charged with attempt to commit second degree murder and conspiracy, would never, ever fly. And that’s not just because my middle school Principal was like Shaft in retirement. From a July 1st segment on CNN:

KELLI BARKER, VICTIM’S MOTHER: He was getting kicked and stomped.

ROESGEN: Why?

BARKER: I don’t know. You tell me.

ROESGEN: For the first time, the parents of Justin Barker, the victim, agreed to be interviewed exclusively by CNN.

BARKER: Several lacerations on both sides. Both the ears was kind of really damaged. And both the eyes. His right eye was the worst. It had blood clots in it.

ROESGEN: Kelly and David Barker say Justin has no idea why he was attacked. But his injuries have cost $12,000 in medical bills and his parents do believe it was a case of attempted murder.

The answer “I don’t know” is simply dishonest, but shrewd, since it relies on the racism of the listener to fill in the blanks. “I don’t know” is reason enough for black people to become violent, because that after all, is our nature.

CNN tells the story of the Jena Six thustly:

SUSAN ROESGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT, (voice over): Reporters are not welcome these days at Jena High School where racial tension has led to charges of attempted murder. Back in September, black students sat under this tree in the school courtyard, where traditionally only white students sit. The next day, three white students hung nooses from the tree and were suspended. What the nooses meant divided the town.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think a couple boys made a mistake, you know, but I, you know, I think it’s all being blown out of proportion.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was very offended because that’s a racial slur against us.

ROESGEN: From there, things got worse. In November, someone set fire to the school, destroying one of its main buildings. Though police don’t know if there’s a connection to the nooses. Then in December, a school fight. A white student, Justin Barker, was knocked unconscious and kicked as he lay on the ground. Six black teenagers were accused of beating him.

A noose is not a slur.

A noose is a threat.

A noose says “nigger, I’m going to hang you.”

And let us not gloss over the fact that CNN uncritically reports it as “tradition” that only white students are allowed to sit under a particular tree. The way in which that fact is reported is an unqualified acceptance of the idea that black students did something wrong by not heeding the orders of white students. According to CNN, it is the black students who sought confrontation by defying “tradition”.

Not surprisingly, the July 1 CNN report only briefly touches on how out of proportion the reaction of the DA was to the incident.

This is a copy of the school handbook here at Jena High School. It says the punishment for a school fight is three days’ suspension.

But in this case, five of the six black teenagers are charged with attempted murder. And they face the possibility of spending the rest of their lives in prison. Carwyn Jones, Bryant Purvis, Robert Bailey Jr., Theodore Shaw, and a student who hasn’t been identified because he’s only 16, are all charged with attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. A sixth student, Mychal Bell, had his charge reduced to aggravated battery. But they all say they’re innocent. And one of them told us he didn’t even see what happened.

But a July 10 segment on Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now reveals that there was much more that occurred between the live threats hanging from a tree in a Jena schoolyard and the fight in which Justin Barker was injured.

JACQUIE SOOHEN: A series of incidents followed throughout the fall. In October, a black student was beaten for entering a private all-white party. Later that month, a white student pulled a gun on a group of black students at a gas station, claiming self-defense. The black students wrestled the gun away and reported the incident to police. They were charged with assault and robbery of the gun. No charges were ever filed against the white students in either incident. Then, in late November, someone tried to burn down the high school, creating even more tension.

A white student pulls a gun on a group of black students, who wrestle the gun away and call the police. In response, the black students are charged with assault and robbery. A school fight occurs, and the black students involved, all lacking say, firearms, are charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

CNN also failed to report the threats that DA Reed Walters made towards black students before the fight where Justin Barker was beaten. Walters made clear that hanging from a tree wasn’t the only way in which white power could end their lives.

MICHELLE ROGERS: The kids didn’t say anything. They were listening. The kids were quiet. And so, District Attorney Reed Walters, you know, proceeded to tell those kids that “I could end your lives with the stroke of a pen.” And the kids were just — it was like in awe that the district — you know, Reed Walters would tell these kids that. He held a pen in his hand and told those kids that, “See this pen in my hand? I can end your lives with the stroke of a pen.”

CNN also neglected to mention that the school did not inform the parents of black students that a few of their white classmates had been suspended for threatening them with hanging. To the school, it was a simple “prank”.

JACQUIE SOOHEN: The school’s superintendent dismissed the nooses as a prank, and after three days’ suspension, the three white students who hung the nooses were allowed back to school. Caseptla Bailey, Robert’s mother, said the school did not inform the parents of the incident.

As for the potential “murder” victim? He attended a school function the night of the beating. Apparently it wasn’t as vicious as his parents led CNN to believe.

Four days later, a white student was allegedly attacked in a school fight. The victim was taken to hospital and released shortly with a concussion. He attended a school function that evening. Six black students were charged with attempted second-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder, on charges that leave them facing between twenty and one hundred years in jail. The defendants, ranging in age from fifteen to seventeen, had their bonds set at between $70,000 and $138,000. The attack was written up in the local paper as fact, and DA Reed Walters published a statement in which he said, “When you are convicted, I will seek the maximum penalty allowed by law.”

The racism in the behavior of the local government is as flagrant as anything that occurred during segregation. The institutions of government in Jena, Louisiana are operating on de-facto Jim Crow; they carry out through cultural practice what was once law. And the mainstream media has felt absolutely no obligation to cover the story with appropriate depth.

The New York Times has not covered it at all. Neither has the Washington Post, whose vast website carries a single AP article on the subject. MSNBC has twice the AP articles on the subject the post does, which brings the grand total to two, with no original coverage on their website. Fox seems to have found one more AP article than MSNBC, with the extra one titled “White Students Removed Over Nooses,” the poor dears. CNN was presumably unable to adequately investigate because it was expending all of its journalistic resources attempting to fact check SiCKO and find out what Fred Thompson smells like. My mama has personally been on that ass trying to get me to blog about this and until now, I just haven’t had the words.

Consider the media attention given to Imus for his racial slurs towards the Rutgers Women’s basketball team, and consider the attention given to the Jena Six. Six young black men are about to be lynched in Jena, Louisiana, but there is no Hip-hop to blame, no “shock jock” culture, and no Al Sharpton to give the media a reason to change the subject. There is no Ray Nagin cussing on the radio, no corrupt congressmen, no looting, no lies about savagery in the Superdome.

The only thing in Louisiana waiting for the media is a mirror that shows everything that is ugly in this country that we have pretended to choke down in the name of tolerance.

And so they look away. Again.

The petition is here.

UPDATE: Justin Barker’s release from the hospital and subsequent appearance at a school function that same day is corroborated by a May 24 BBC report.

As racial tension grew last autumn and winter, there were race-related fights between teenagers in town. On 4 December, racial tension boiled over once more at the school when a white student, Justin Barker, was attacked by a small group of black students.

He fell to the ground and hit his head on the concrete, suffering bruising and concussion.

He was treated at the local hospital and released, and that same evening felt able to put in an appearance at a school function.

The BBC report also notes that Barker was later charged with carrying a concealed firearm on school grounds.

Mr Barker has since been charged with possessing a firearm in an arms-free zone (the school grounds).

I don’t have any info yet on how that turned out.

UPDATE 2: The reasons Truthout.org identifies as the possible motivation for Justin Barker’s beating reveal why his parents were reluctant to discuss the issue with CNN:

On Monday, December 4, at Jena High, a white student – who allegedly had been making racial taunts, including calling African-American students “niggers” while supporting the students who hung the nooses and who beat up the black student at the off-campus party – was knocked down, punched and kicked by black students. The white victim was taken to the hospital treated and released. He attended a social function that evening.

“I don’t know” indeed.

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Comments

  1. georgia wrote:

    I actually don’t think the noose was a threat. I believe that a threat would likely be followed by a physical confrontation.

    The young men who put up the nooses were cowards, if they wanted to actually threaten the black students they would have done so in person.They used the stunt because it was indirect, and probably allowed them more anonymity, protection they needed because of their cowardice.

    I also don’t think that the black students, or the white ones from the related fight should go unpunished. At my high school students faced assault charges for fighting and other punishment from the school, although the Jena six are being treated harshly.

    The racial tension in this story reminds me of a previous entry about a high school that only recently held its first interracial prom. I didn’t have this kind of high school experience but I hope that in the future students find non violent ways of confronting racism, or harassment of any nature.

    I don’t think that any violence should be excused because of taunting or provocation.

  2. Kellie wrote:

    I hadn’t heard a thing about this.

    It is shocking, yet not shocking considering what is happening to Genarlow Wilson or even the West Memphis Three (although they are white). I really just don’t get these people. Can they really be so blind to their own prejudices and the corruption of justice?

    There is no way these charges would have been filed against white students who committed a similar act against a black student who taunted them. No way.

  3. Chris wrote:

    I see the nooses a threat. I can understand why some people would not see it that way, but the nooses represent a way for the cowards to invoke lynching even though they themselves would probably not be willing or able to lynch anyone. However, that does not mean that they could not find others to carry out the task.

    I agree that if you are involved in a fight everyone involved should be punish equally, which seems not to be in the case in Jena. What type of message is this sending to the black youth in Jena though? If you defend yourself from someone pulling a gun on you and you call the cops and you get arrested, what was the point of calling the cops then. That type of bull is why some people turn to gangs.

    It is easy to say you should be non-violent when confronting racism or harassment, but you would think people would have the right to defend themselves against violence.

  4. Kmoney wrote:

    No one with any knowledge at all of the history of lynching in this country has the luxury of not viewing a noose hanging from a tree as a threat.

  5. David Wynn wrote:

    First, I agree that the nooses were a threat, regardless of whether the threat was credible or not.

    Second, I’m particularly moved by the story of robbing the gun that was pointed at the men. Though technically true, I think it takes some strong alternative motivations to actually charge someone with that. I’m presuming they didn’t seek to keep the gun once they had it, right? Because that would be a little more understandable…. but not much really.

    Third, while I agree with the overall tone of the piece, I’m a little confused as to how CNN might have better reported the nature of the tree. Sitting under “a” tree doesn’t convey the story, and I think “traditionally” is a fairly un-racially charged word, right? How could they have better phrased it while still retaining the concept that it was a marked difference for black kids to sit under the tree that day?

  6. deb wrote:

    Thanks for bringing attention to the Jena Six. I’ve trying to learn more about this miscarriage of justice by reading and listening to podcasts most notably Amy Goodman’s (DemocracyNow.org) interview with three parents of the six.

    They face anywhere from 22-100 years in prison. Re-friggin’-diculous!

    And speaking of injustices, Troy Davis just received a 90-day stay of execution.

  7. Yori Kim wrote:

    Yes, ‘I don’t know’, indeed. what a coward that mother is. Just shows how our law system works.

  8. Luke Pharma wrote:

    Not surprising that more national press hasn’t been covering this. No rationalizing, but an explanation: print isn’t broadcast isn’t cable and the lag time between the three is noticeable, especially as editorial staffs continue to get cut. Therefore the stories won’t get “found”, they have to “find” the news venues.

    I say this to friends every time a “non-white” child goes missing for every “white” child who does: don’t just rely on law and Amber Alerts- you’ve got to go natl and intl PR treatment, press releases, etc.. Hold the “you don’t ever cover people of color” antagonistic mentality in check (even if true) and make sure media *will* cover the true story in the right way.

    Here or missing kids, the story needs to go to wire svcs& media and *all* govt people. Convert petition to press release and then call media reporters and officials in state.

    Lots of work but two easy tools will help. Pass links along and bookmark for next controversy:

    LA Media Guide (includes natl)
    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

    LA Elected Reps (local to fed)
    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/officials/congress/?district=05&lvl=C&azip=71342&state=LA

  9. Brad wrote:

    I really don’t know who to believe here. You got the victom walking out of an ER after allegedly being beaten within an inch of his life. The only explanation I can offer is he probably left against medical advice which he probably did as he has the right to do. As for the pistol he carried, there is no excuse not to expell him from school. By the way what the hell kind of rat-hole school is this that has these kind of out of control kids and where are the parents at in all of this?! I’am amazed that no one is going after the school for this or the parents Balck & White.

    That said I’m not exactly ready to believe everything that the black community said either, since most of those stories are coming from activists who are biased ( Just my opinion of activists in general)

    Some questions: Why is there a student carrying a gun at a gas station (why are there any of these kids carrying guns in the first place) Is he 18 or younger? If the students who pulled the gun away were assualting him why go to the police and report it? Doesn’t make any sense.
    Did the DA make that same pen speach to white kids or just to black kids. I just want to know what the facts are not what an activist said.

    In the end I believe this to be an out of control town. The kids that are doing these things clearly aren’t being taught to love their fellow man at home.

    As for the “I don’t know” comment. I have an answer how about your son is a smart-ass kid that has an attitude problem and most likely got his ass beat becouse he mouthed off to the wrong guys (not that beating him is ok). And carrying a gun? If you don’t go ballistic over that then you clearly never had parenting 101.

  10. Allen wrote:

    Not seeing a noose as a threat is a choice that gives power to racists.

  11. Jeremy Pierce wrote:

    A noose isn’t a threat. Maybe hanging a noose constitutes a threat, if it is so intended. But a noose isn’t a threat any more than it’s a racial slur. It’s a physical object. People can assign meanings to objects, but the object isn’t the meaning.

    As for CNN, I have no idea how you get from their comment that this tree was a traditional spot for white kids to the claim that CNN was endorsing such an attitude. I thought it was clear in the article that the author considered that attitude the beginning of the problem. If there hadn’t been that attitude, then the black students’ sitting there wouldn’t have led to the noose, and the article traces out that connection nicely. There are plenty of ways to blame black people for white racism, but I don’t think there’s any of that in this article.

  12. LM wrote:

    Brad,

    The word “activist” was nowhere in dnA’s account of this case. Where do you get the idea that “most of those stories are coming from activists”?

    Your analysis and questions are fine for a seven-year-old. I say this respectfully. I I suspect you’re a bit older and capable, if not willing, to understand the actual human rights issues at stake. If your intent is to learn this may be an opportunity.

    —-

    Luke Pharma: “Hold the ‘you don’t ever cover people of color’ antagonistic mentality in check (even if true) and make sure media *will* cover the true story in the right way.”

    Right on.

  13. jze wrote:

    Why an educational institution still have and condone a “whites only” sitting area, is beyond me.

    It is amazes me that the school did NOT hold a mandatory gathering of ALL (students, teachers, parents) right after the nooses were hung, for an immediate racial therapy session or require all students to speak with a counselor. This may have prevented the chain of events.

    This community is out of control and in need of some heavy Addicted Race sessions.

  14. deb wrote:

    Funny thing is, the BBC did a documentary on this story back in May called Race Hate in Louisiana. Yet, I haven’t heard a peep out of the major networks here in Amerikkka.

    Thank goodness for alternative media.

  15. LM wrote:

    Jeremy Pierce:

    You joke with the parsing of “noose,” right? Not cool.

    ——–

    On CNN’s use of the word “traditionally” — I get what you’re saying, dnA; it typically connotes positively and on the side of “right.” Had I been a reporter/editor on the story I wouldn’t have used the word. But it’s vital to the story that the tree’s “history” be conveyed for context, and using “traditionally” doesn’t put the blame on the black kids.

    In fact, no where is it said that only white kids were “allowed” (at least in 2006) — except in your words, and by the unstated social norm. The Democracy Now! report made it clear that school administrators weren’t the cause of the original hubbub at the tree. (Its response/lack of was horrendous, though.)

    Your piece is excellent on the whole, very thorough. I just think that the “allowed” bit doesn’t fit.

  16. Brad wrote:

    LM: May I ask what questions were fine only for a seven year-old?

    I simply want to hear the whole story not just subjective info intended to illicit sympathy for some kids who beat another kid up suposedly.

    And by the way I was perfectly justified to say activist when Amy goodman Democracy Now and Truthout.org are involved.

    As for as I’am concerned both the black and white kids should be criticized with the let their tempers fly out of control the way they did

  17. LM wrote:

    Brad,

    I’m also concerned when kids let their tempers get out of control and think that parents’ roles ought to be questioned. We and our seven-year-old friends can agree on that.

    Democracy Now! and truthout.org are “activists”? OK, I’ll accept that, though they don’t fit my definition. Do you place CNN, the AP and the BBC in the same category? Would you place Fox News in that category?

    To boil this down: the issues here really aren’t about the kids’ behavior. They’re about the societal structure and the adult actions in response.

    I think the Jena Six should be/should have been punished for the beatdown they administered last December. But the punishment they’re getting should make anyone who knows about it angry.

  18. Sewere wrote:

    Jeremy, racist apologist, strikes again:

    A noose isn’t a threat. Maybe hanging a noose constitutes a threat, if it is so intended. But a noose isn’t a threat any more than it’s a racial slur. It’s a physical object. People can assign meanings to objects, but the object isn’t the meaning.

    In other words, this has nothing to do with the fact that god knows how many black folks were lynched and hung in the quite recent past. Nope, nothing to see here, move it along.

    I do have one question though, has there ever been a single racist incident that you’ve seen that you weren’t willing to apply fallacious apologetics?

    On to the next one, Brad said

    Did the DA make that same pen speach to white kids or just to black kids.

    Allow me to add a question that might help answer yours, which kids were prosecuted (and harshly so) and which were not? That ought to be a good starting point… That is only if you’re willing to go beyond your usual this-isn’t-about-race-because-I-went-to-a-school-with-black-people-who-beat-me-up-but-that-didn’t-make-me-a-racist-so-give-me-my-cookie schpiel.

  19. Brad wrote:

    LM: For the record I didn’t mean to trash activists. They have their reasons to be who they are and this is America and they have that right.I said something that gave the impression, my fault. I’m still green when it comes to this stuff. But they are in politics and I would just rather get the whole story from someone who isn’t subjective that is all.

    Sewere: Allow me to add a question that might help answer yours, which kids were prosecuted (and harshly so) and which were not? That ought to be a good starting point

    I know the black kids are the ones being tried for attempted murder. I read the article. All I’am saying is why should I take one side of what appears to be a racist gang war? Although a very good question as to why now the authorities decided to crack down on these kids and whether they are going to prosecute any more race baiting fights that get out of hand. Your questions are just as fair as mine are.

    That is only if you’re willing to go beyond your usual this-isn’t-about-race-because-I-went-to-a-school-with-black-people-who-beat-me-up-but-that-didn’t-make-me-a-racist-so-give-me-my-cookie schpiel.

    Pardon me while I break this down (by the way good Chevy Chase impression from Christmas Vacation)

    this-isn’t-about-race: Where did I say that?
    this clearly is a racial conflict and did say so.

    because-I-went-to-a-school-with-black-people-who-beat-me-up-but-that-didn’t-make-me-a-racist: Yeah I did go to a majority black middle school, and yes there was a large group of black kids that went around and bullied a bunch a white kids (me included) and yes it was because of race. I experienced what I experienced and that is the truth.

    but-that-didn’t-make-me-a-racist: Actually I never said anything of the such. I did say I wasn’t fond of African Americans and most non-whites because of my expeirence. But I did have a change of heart (mostly) because of my parents and some descent non-whites who I met when I went to high-school one of whom I eventually became romantically invloved with. (happy ending)

    so-give-me-my-cookie: I will take one of those sugar ones with the sprinkles on top, oh and with milk please.

    Did the DA make that same pen speach to white kids or just to black kids.

    Funny, you never did answer my question. did he? Or didn’t he? Why is this little question making such uproar? it wasn’t even my only question. I asked why are white kids carrying guns, why did the “victim” leave th hospital. Hell I even suggested the so called victim was an obnoxious little shit who brought on the beating himself even though the is a chance he didn’t.

    So Sewere enough of this about me crap one more time did the DA give that speech did just the black kids or did he also give it to the white kids as well. You don’t know the answer do you? Does anyone for that matter.

  20. Oranguteena wrote:

    Thanks to Luke Pharma for the links and to dnA for the great piece. I’m with others that the use of “traditionally” is probably innocent – to me, “traditional” means something that is done out of habit and history, and I don’t believe it involves a value judgement, although I’m no semantics expert.

    Also, I understand that this is a very strong story with a lot of good reasons for folks to get outraged, but it’s a shame that civil discourse always has to take a hit.

  21. LM wrote:

    brad,

    However frustrating I find your comments, I will assume you are operating in good faith.

    If you haven’t already, please take to heart this paragraph from my previous comment:

    “To boil this down: the issues here really aren’t about the kids’ behavior. They’re about the societal structure and the adult actions in response.”

    You don’t need to respond to that, but that’s the reason for this post, for any “activist” involvement, etc. This is not about “a racist gang war.” (In fact, to be clear, I haven’t seen, heard or read anything anywhere about the involvement of any sort of gang, white, black or otherwise. Unless you know something I don’t, I believe your use of the word “gang” is needlessly loose in this case.)

    As to your “green”-ness, I think it’s best illustrated by your hope to “get the whole story from someone who isn’t subjective at all.” Ain’t happening. I’m not saying that no one will attempt to be objective, only that achieving that ideal is pretty darn tough. We all have the duty to collect information from sources we believe to be credible and to consider the way it’s presented, not to mention what we already know and have learned of the world. That’s what I’ve done so far in this case; again I take on faith that you may be coming from a different place and therefore not be ready to “see” certain things.

    To your question about to whom the prosecutor spoke: I don’t know — though I’d guess the entire student body. We know black students were there and we’d likely have heard if white students were excluded from that meeting.

    We do know that the prosecutor’s visit to the school immediately followed a sit-in of sorts at the now mythical tree by black students, who were dispersed by police. In other words, when white students sat at this tree they were relaxing, but when black students did the same they were causing a disturbance. The prosecutor was responding to “action” by black students when he made his threat. If you didn’t know they were black, would that whole sequence make any sense at all?

    Your questions about why kids are carrying guns and why the beating victim left the hospital are fine. Same for your speculation on whether the beating victim brought it on himself (though if you read/listen to all the reporting you can connect some dots). But they have NOTHING to do with this issue other than being facts associated with the story.

    Again, boil it down. brad, I honestly don’t want to shut you up. Best of luck advancing past “green.”

  22. dnA wrote:

    I want to thank everyone for their comments, and I’m sorry that I haven’t been able to respond but I’ve been traveling and actually wasn’t aware this piece had been posted yet.

    I want to respond to one particular observation I found interesting:

    A noose isn’t a threat. Maybe hanging a noose constitutes a threat, if it is so intended. But a noose isn’t a threat any more than it’s a racial slur. It’s a physical object. People can assign meanings to objects, but the object isn’t the meaning.

    This is a pretty terrifying example of entirely removing an object from its context. One could say the same thing about a gun pointed at one’s face, after all, one needs to understand in the abstract the danger the gun presents before one could be afraid of it. By this logic, guns aren’t threatening beyond the meaning we assign them either.

    But to the residents of Jena, and to any black person in America, a noose presented in this manner is a threat. It is a very calculated image, meant to evoke a time when lynching occurred with the tacit and often material support of the government, when such injustice had no recourse. It is meant to evoke the power of life and death that the white students felt the possessed over that of the black students, and I cannot imagine such an act not leading to violence, one way or the other.

    I have posted again on the subject of the Jena Six, and Color of Change is organizing a protest in Jena. If you are interested in standing with the families of the Jena Six, please click here.

    http://www.colorofchange.org/jena

  23. Mika wrote:

    I am a dictionary person, so I looked up “threat”, even though it feels ridiculous to justify what I already know, but that’s the nature of racism, right?. The noose is a threat:

    1. An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.
    2. An indication of impending danger or harm.

    American Heritage Dictionary

  24. Sewere wrote:

    Liam, Exactly. Far better than I could have put it.

    dnA, RE: “The noose isn’t a threat.” That’s classic Jeremy Pierce, decontextualize the issue, then apply a generous amount of fallacy and you have a great recipe for color-blind/racist apologetics. And he’s always happy to serve it at any mention of racism.

  25. Brad wrote:

    LM I appreciate your candor on this.

    However frustrating I find your comments.

    I’m sorry to hear that.

    I take on faith that you may be coming from a different place and therefore not be ready to “see” certain things.

    I appreciate the fact that you are somewhat understanding of my point of view. As for the see certain things deal, Not sure what things you want me to see.

    To your question about to whom the prosecutor spoke: I don’t know — though I’d guess the entire student body. We know black students were there and we’d likely have heard if white students were excluded from that meeting.

    Again thank you for being honest on this.

    Let me clarify why I’am skeptical of this story.

    First of all you are not getting alot of details

    on the fight involving “victim” the your hearing that he sustain a concussion, Knocked out cold, and then kicked as he laid on the ground. He was then sent to the hospital.

    Now when the stories of the other white/black altercations where the blacks were allegedly the “victims”

    For instance: a black student was beaten for entering a private all-white party.

    Ok. What were the injuries? How Bad was the beating? Why was he entering a party if it was private?

    You see what I’m getting at LM?

    Or this:Later that month, a white student pulled a gun on a group of black students at a gas station, claiming self-defense. The black students wrestled the gun away and reported the incident to police. They were charged with assault and robbery of the gun.

    Again why was the white student carrying a gun?

  26. Brad wrote:

    (Exuse me I accidently hit the post button but was not complete with my post) Clumsy me

    Or this:Later that month, a white student pulled a gun on a group of black students at a gas station, claiming self-defense. The black students wrestled the gun away and reported the incident to police. They were charged with assault and robbery of the gun.

    Again why was the white student carrying a gun? Most importantly does his claims of self-defense have any merit?

    Again do you understand where I’am coming from?

    And LM don’t take this as me siding with white kids here. Like I said I think this is going to be nothing more than a case of a group of a white/black kids letting their racism cloud their better judgement.

    PEACE

  27. LM wrote:

    Brad,

    I agree, there is a paucity of detail in certain areas. Having established that, with what you know, including the fact that the white victim of the December beating attended a social event on the very night of the incident, does it make sense to you that the arrested six face decades on end in jail?

    And wouldn’t it follow that by now, eight months after the arrests, that we’d understand why they were being charged so severely if in fact they “deserved” to be?

    Again, on faith I accept that you’re not taking sides. But if this was just about the kids, we wouldn’t be having this back and forth.

  28. Shanta wrote:

    How many blacks work in govement in Jena?
    and Where they awear of what was happening in Jena to these children? and Why are we just hereing about this?
    This should have been on the air and radio a long time a go, {not all this other stuff that wasn’t that important} when this first happen the world should have know and for this to happen its not right, we as people need to come together and put a end to this around the world this is not the first time that this has happen to our children but this is the first time this has blow up in their face, it want be the last time us as black people step up,man up because it will happpen to you.In any race their is racism.We need to put a all racism to a end. We need to educate all children in schools and homes about racism around the world and the affected that it has on people but most of all it affects our children the most. With Jena Six this should have opened our eyes to see what we are teaching our kids to become in all points of life.
    This is only the beging of the racism movement in the world for all people.So many people are so scared to touch the subject of racsim in the U.S.A but if we don’t put a stop it’s going to keep on happening to our mothers, father and even children before they know whats happening in the world.
    So when is it going to stop? NOW. How many of our children are locked for the same reasons racsim{JENA SIX}? How many have to be locked up before the racism stops ? HOW MANY?
    We have to take one state,one city and one town at a time starting with Jena, Lousisiana.
    IT STARTS NOW.

  29. Nicholas wrote:

    I’m from Lake Charles, La and I am pissed about this. I’m a white country boy but I hate discrimination. I feel that the way this case was handled by the DA and La in itself is a disgrace. I plan on supporting the Jena Six in every way possible. I’ve donated money, bought the shirts, and am trying to get a group to go to Jena on the 20th with the colorofchange.org people… I feel for the black students and their families and hope that when good people STAND TOGETHER AND FIGHT THIS, and Im not talking about just commenting on some blog and thinking you’ve done your part, THAT WE CAN OVERCOME. I know I will be behind the Jena 6 in every way and will do everything I can to help. I ask that some of you people who are so into this blog and are childishly bickering back and forth thru comments to help. Dont just sit there, HELP! If you cant go to Jena, send ur support in another way, contribute or write letters and emails. I have done alot and am still fighting. Now I ask you, what have you done?

  30. BSG wrote:

    I am from Jena. So far everyone has somehow failed to inform people that the bench under the live oak tree where these black students were sitting was purchased by a group of friends in memory of a friend who accidentally shot and killed himself a few months earlier. Though they (white kids) had no right to – because they had placed it on school property – they felt it was “their” bench. It had nothing to do w/ the tree. On the other hand, their (white kids) actions of hanging the nooses is despicable and unexcusable. In the weeks before the “6″ beat the Barker boy, tensions were high with some parents afraid to send their children to school. Watch out what is being reported. We already know the media lies. The community (as a whole, not just the whites) would like to see the attention go away. The media talks to those who make the best story or help their agenda. By the way, there hasn’t been a fight at school since these boys have been suspended. Whites and black get along fine here. Approximately 300 black protesters marched through Jena a weeks ago for the “6″. 10 were residents of LaSalle parish. You won’t see those numbers on CNN or anywhere else because it doesn’t make for much of a story. Don’t belive everything you see and read. Normalcy doesn’t make good news.

  31. Jeremy Pierce wrote:

    Wow. I haven’t been back here to see the completely ridiculous opposite portrayals of my point coming from LM, Sewere, and dnA.

    No, I’m not joking. I appreciate accuracy of language. It’s very clear that a mere noose isn’t a threat. Anymore than a rock is a threat when I pick it up and make as if to throw it at someone. It’s my action that’s the threat, not the physical object. I appreciate accuracy in speech, and those who talk as if the noose itself is the threat are simply abusing the English language. There’s nothing political or moral about this point. It’s simply a matter of the semantics and pragmatics of the English language. A threat is an action.

    Sewere, acting as if making such a point amounts to racist apologetics is about as evil as you can get. I’m sorry, but that’s all there is to it. I’m not defending hanging a noose. I’m not saying anyone can ever hang a noose without making such a threat. My comment was completely apart from any such views. I simply want people to speak more accurately. It’s all in the context, the intent, and how the thing acts as a symbol. The object itself doesn’t mean anything apart from such things.

    Pretending as if I’m ignoring the context not only misses the point. It turns it upside-down. What I’m insisting on is that it’s only in a context that a noose can be taken for a threat or meant as a threat.

    As for racist incidents, there are lots of them. When a store clerk assumes my wife, who is following after me in the store with obviously mixed kids, is not with me, it’s residual racism at best. When people call Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, or Barack Obama “not black” or “not black enough”, it sometimes (but depending on what they mean) is racist. When someone hangs a noose in order to intimidate black people, it’s certainly racism. When someone beats someone up merely because of race (whether the person being beat up is black, white, or whatever else), it’s clearly racism. There’s lots of racism.

    Now I’m hesitant to attribute evil motives to people unless I’m sure it’s not something less evil. Maybe you’re confusing my often-charitable attitude toward people’s emotions and views with the view that racism never happens or is impossible, but that’s your mistake. I’ve never claimed any such thing, and I don’t believe any such thing.

    As for dnA’s reponse:

    This is a pretty terrifying example of entirely removing an object from its context. One could say the same thing about a gun pointed at one’s face, after all, one needs to understand in the abstract the danger the gun presents before one could be afraid of it. By this logic, guns aren’t threatening beyond the meaning we assign them either.

    Yes, that’s exactly my point. As with the noose and stone examples, the gun itself isn’t a threat. Someone’s holding it up to my face is a threat (depending on the context; if the person does so when acting in a play, it’s not a threat but a pretend threat).

    Now I didn’t say anything that would entail that guns aren’t threatening or that nooses aren’t threatening. What I said is that the threat is what people communicate by doing things with them. It’s another matter entirely whether they feel threatening to someone. My point wasn’t about whether nooses or guns feel threatening. Of course they do. I was simply saying that a threat is a particular kind of speech-act. It’s something to do to communicate a threatening feeling. The object you use to do that is simply a tool.

    Accuracy in language is important if you want to be clear, because some people will probably notice what I noticed about how people are describing things here, and they really will make the idiot fallacious inference that people here were pretending I was making.

  32. Kai wrote:

    Oh I see, rocks and nooses both occur in nature, without human intent. A noose does not require a human being to acquire a length of rope and tie it in a very specific fashion whose principal purpose is to kill people. Nooses are lying around everywhere on the ground during my nature hikes, just like rocks. Got it. That’s intellectual accuracy for ya.

  33. Jeremy Pierce wrote:

    Kai, you’re deliberately taking me as saying something that I’ve consistently denied. I’m not saying. I’m not playing that game. My distinction is between the physical object and the meaning it takes on in the world. That distinction is perfectly legitimate even if (which I haven’t denied) the meaning it takes on in the world is unavoidable and even if (which I haven’t denied) the cause of the physical object is that very intent. Not recognizing such a distinction requires you to say that it’s immoral to depict a noose in a play or film about racial justice.