Coloured Ink: Is Body Art Just a “White Thing”?

by Racialicious special correspondent Wendi Muse

I’m an outcast.

I’m a rebel.

I’m an anarchist.

I’m tough.

I sleep in tight vinyl pants.

I set fire to my apartment at least twice a week.

Well . . . not quite.

In actuality, I am a law-abiding citizen who works a 9-to-5 and minds her Ps and Qs. I’m “normal,” but considering the reactions I receive from some, you would think otherwise:

How long did that take?!?!?

Is a greeting.

Oh that must have hurt!

Is a compliment.

Can I see the whole thing?

Is a come-on.

I’m a walking conversation piece, but it’s my own fault. I am the one who chose to have a vine of fuchsia running from the front of my left shoulder down to the middle of the left side of my back, morning glories and tiger lilies blooming up from my right pelvic bone to the top of my ribcage, and my mantra inscribed on the inside of my right wrist. I also happen to have several piercings, and the ones that are exposed to the public sometimes solicit questions regarding my tolerance for pain. I don’t mind the questions about my body art. In fact, I welcome them. Yet I find it humorous and somewhat ironic that my tattoos and piercings, though tasteful and non-threatening, still mark me as an oddity—at least among people who look like me. While whites often ask where I had my work done and by whom, black, brown, and yellow folk often ask me a laundry list of questions, sometimes hold uncomfortably long and awkward conversations with me about their own body modification experiences, or discuss my tattoos with their friends in spite of my standing right in front of them, as if I am a novelty item in a curio chest.

Throughout NYC, especially boroughs like Brooklyn, one of the last strongholds for affordable housing and artsy residents, you will see quite a few men and women with large and visible tattoos, mainly full pieces that cover one or more body parts. Most of those people happen to be young, middle class, and white. While I see a few people of color who are are tattooed and pierced as well, national body modification statistics demonstrate otherwise. In addition, there appear to be fewer who have chosen extravagant displays of their appreciation for body art. Most of the tattoos I have seen on people of color are words, names, or small symbols. Bearing in mind the issue of size and content alone, I understand why the forms of body modification I have undergone evoke curiosity and unusually long conversations with others. In NYC, strangers rarely speak to each other, so maybe other people of color feel more comfortable asking me about my body art because I, like them, am also of color. But what I didn’t have quite a handle on was why fewer people of color I saw tended to go “all out.” Why was extensive body art still relatively taboo among people of color in spite of its increasing popularity (among whites)?

I couldn’t figure it out. Initially, I thought about issues like money. Good tattoos are expensive, and the bigger they are, the more they cost (as tattoos are priced by the hour of work performed). Could the sheer monetary value affixed to large and incredibly detailed tattoos be a deterrent for people of color considering the income gap between them and whites? Piercings also cost quite a bit, especially if one opts to use high quality jewelry (which is better for body piercings in that it decreases the risk of infection and allergic reaction). It doesn’t seem to limit them from buying other things. Why would it be an issue when it comes to body art?

I also considered skin color. The fairer your skin, the more tattoo options you have (as far as colors are concerned). As the tattoo heals, a new layer of skin grows over what is technically an injury to your top epidermal layer. Your new skin serves as a filter for your tattoo. If the filter is dark, the colors in your tattoo will appear muddled and dull by default. Maybe the fact that fewer colors work well on dark skin makes people feel like they are limited in artistic options? But then I thought of the large amount of light-skinned Asian-, African-, and Latino- Americans who had opted to get small tattoos or tattoos with dark ink as opposed to something large and colorful.

Nothing was really adding up.

But this weekend, when I went into Adorned, what could have been considered my second home during my latter years in college, the exchange I had with the piercer helped me put two and two together. We were talking about body art among indigenous groups of Africa and Asia when he mentioned the experience of a black woman who had been interviewed for the documentary film Afro-Punk. She had been ostracized by other black people in her community for her “punk” style, which including piercings and “unusual” hairstyles. In her response, she puts an anthropological spin on what some simply think of as a fad:

It’s not just a trend or a style. There is cultural validity in it for me. My choice the look the way I do is just based on me relating to traditionally African aesthetic.

Did others share this knowledge of body art as authentic cultural expression? Were fewer people of color opting to get tattoos and piercings because of a cultural disconnect?

It made sense in a way. If an art form once specifically associated with your racial, ethnic, or national group is suddenly co-opted by another group of people, especially if you fault that group for having exhibited behavior that runs counter to your group’s progress and growth, it may compel you to abandon the art form in exchange for something different. Body modification was once exclusively associated with indigenous groups in Africa, Asia, Australia, and the Americas. The practice was, in itself, something besides skin color that assisted in the “othering” of native peoples during their first encounters with Europeans. But over time, due to influences in music, art, and pop culture, the association shifted. Once considered museum-worthy cultural oddities, mohawks, wooden disks, nose rings, and creative scarring techniques, most of which had significant religious or social meaning within certain groups, had become a popular aesthetic among whites seeking to “other” themselves as members of the “alternative” community. Young whites made a conscious decision to appropriate what was seen as foreign/different, as an homage to other cultures, and assigned new meaning to everyday objects (like safety pins) in order to distance themselves from the establishment and the dominant culture. British sociologist Dick Hebdige discusses this phenomenon at great lengths in his 1979 book Subculture: The Meaning of Style:

The conflict between [hegemonic culture and subordinate culture] can be encapsulated in a single object, so the tensions between dominant and subordinate groups can be found reflected in the surfaces of subculture- in the styles made up of mundane objects [artifacts] which have a double meaning. On the one hand, they warn the ‘straight’ world of a sinister presence- the presence of difference… On the other hand, for those who erect them into icons… these objects become signs of forbidden identity, sources of value . . .

As a result, the meaning of certain body art is still associated with whites, in particular whites involved in alternative music or art scenes, and the people we see on the pages of National Geographic—both groups that are considered “foreign” in varying degrees by some people of color living in the United States. I wonder if this perception of foreign-ness greatly influences opinions regarding whether or not tattooing and other body modification is appropriate and/or attractive. Is it possible that the act of body modification is seen as a one-way ticket to group isolation from the mainstream and social acceptance?

Assimilation and tradition seem to play a large role here. Though they are usually considered to rest as antipodal points of the identity scale, when it comes to body modification, the exhibition of the two concepts more or less yields the same results. For some groups, the cultural significance of certain art forms died with their ancestors (i.e. indigenous Americans) or were lost as a result of the slave trade (i.e. people of African descent), while for other groups who have migrated to this country by choice, the pressure to become part of what is portrayed as the homogeneous American society remains and may have a profound impact on the choice to utilize body art as a mode of artistic self-expression. After all, it’s hard enough to “fit in” if you are a person of color and/or an immigrant, so why would you choose to do things to yourself to make you stand out as “different”? This sentiment is one frequently expressed by some of my friends’ parents. They attribute their success in America as a direct result of their hard work and often state that they worked so hard in order to make a better life for their children. Most parents say that, no matter their background, but the families I speak of now face other pressures not only to succeed but also to preserve and pass along traditional values of their country of origin to their children. In the instance of a Korean-American friend of mine, her parents consider getting a tattoo to be a complete affront to any of the values they have instilled in their daughter. “My parents would kill me!” she always says, and plans to get her tattoo in a place where she wouldn’t risk accidentally revealing it to her parents. My friend is 25 and has lived away from home for years, but she still fears disappointing them. She and her parents clearly disagree on the significance of tattoos, but mainly as a result of varying associations they each hold of body art in general.

Some of these assumptions are culturally exclusive. For example, in Japan, though tattooing has been commonly practiced there for centuries, tattooing, to some extent, is still associated with the Yakuza, members of traditional Japanese organized crime groups, as they are known to have numerous, sometimes full-body, tattoos. However, right here in the U.S. of A., we have our own culture-specific set of tattoo-related stereotypes. Many people still associate tattoos with criminals, side show performers, prison inmates, punks, goths, bikers, gang members, strippers, members of the lower class, and any so-called social “undesirable.” Much like any other stereotypes, those relating to tattooed people have yet to go away, despite the prevalence of tattooing throughout the country. Shows like TLC’s Miami Ink, the lifting of tattoo bans in many states, the celebrity endorsement of tattooing, and the reclaiming of tattooed and pierced beauty have helped mitigate some of the outdated stereotypes, but I think that they still serve as powerful deterrents from going under the needle.

I think that some people of color may feel that getting large tattoos may set them back in some way or another. As they make daily efforts to counter stereotypes and prove themselves worthy in a society that seems to expect less for them, getting tattoos, no matter how popular they are for others, may be seen as a different type of marker for a person of color. The first people to come to mind as I wrote the previous sentence were black and Latino men. Already stereotyped as criminally-inclined, a man with brown skin who covers himself in tattoos may fit more quickly into a mental line-up with people like 50 Cent and Lloyd Banks before men like Joel Madden and Tommy Lee. This is not to say that Madden and Lee are exactly upstanding citizens, but as far as a criminal record and threatening image are concerned, 50 Cent and Lloyd Banks have them beat, and may ultimately serve as an influence regarding one’s choice either to be tattooed, to hide their tattoos, or to forego it altogether.

There’s also the issue of gender that’s at play, which is another reason I think I may stand out as an oddity. It may also explain why the Suicide Girls, a collective of alternative pin-up girls and burlesque performers, are having so much trouble finding women of color. On their member site, the “Become a Suicide Girl” section reads very much like a college admissions page, with its overzealous advisors in desperate need of diversity:

Suicide Girls encourages women of color to apply. We aim to be a more diverse site, and we need your help!

While I occasionally see men of color with lots of tattoos, I rarely see women with a similar volume of tattoos. Tattooing still seems to be a man’s business. Most of the artists are male, and considering the amount of pain that goes into “getting inked” and the previous social conceptions associated with the art, it seems like tattooing may somehow destroy one’s claim to femininity, again a pretty big risk to take if women within your race/ethnic group may already be considered to be on the margins of popular gender norms and expectations. Coupled with the issue of gender norms, there is also the issue of sexual availability. As some commenters on Latoya’s article “Why Black Girls Aren’t Going Wild”conjectured, there may be a reluctancy to appear as sexual beings (especially overtly so by posing naked for the Suicide Girls or other predominately white magazines, no matter how sex positive and feminist it may claim to be), because, quite frankly, there are already enough sexually oriented stereotypes associated with women of color and there is no need to give society additional ammunition. But then we cross over onto the shaky ground of whether or not feminism, in its new or old forms, was ever really meant to include women of color and their concerns, something I will leave for another time and place.

At the end of the day, I hate to think that what we assume others may think would work to limit our personal choices. After all, I didn’t really think of all these things when I decided to get my tattoos. I wanted to use my body as an artistic memorial to lost loved ones and their significance in my life, to mark my personal growth, to commemorate change. I didn’t really consider what others would think or say when I decided to have something permanently applied to my skin, so why would it be the case for someone else thinking about getting tattoos, subconsciously or otherwise? It’s a personal choice that people justify for their own reasons in their own ways. The small percentage of people of color getting tattooed and pierced also may simply be the result of a limited interest in body art. It’s not for everyone, and that’s ok. I’m very much against the peer pressure-like methods that are utilized to encourage participation in an act that requires careful thought and considering.

I do, however, wish that more people recognized that body modification is very much a part of the cultural heritage for people all around the world and not just a “white thing” or a “punk thing” or a “freak thing.” I wish we all knew more about our history so that we had a clear understanding of how things originated and how they ended up where they are today so that the manifestation of traditional art in popular culture wouldn’t simply be written off as a fad. It’s a lot to ask, I know, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

Pictured: Sorry, ce n’est pas moi. It’s Suicide Girl “Ansley”

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Comments

  1. dnA wrote:

    I don’t know, I feel like I know a great deal of black women with tats. Most people I know period have tats. Being Jewish, I can’t get them, so I’m an exception, but I think they’re actually pretty popular among black women in DC and Boston. Not so much pictures, but names and sayings.

  2. Wendi Muse wrote:

    Please refer to paragraph two:

    “Most of the tattoos I have seen on people of color are words, names, or small symbols… But what I didn’t have quite a handle on was why fewer people of color I saw tended to go “all out.” Why was extensive body art still relatively taboo among people of color in spite of its increasing popularity (among whites)?”

  3. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    I wonder if there’s a different set of stereotypes for black women who have tattoos. Like, if you’re white it maybe means you’re edgy and counter-cultural, etc. But with black women who have tattoos there can be associations of them being lower-class or “ghetto”. I feel like I’ve heard quite a few comedians joke about black women with large tattoos of their baby daddy on their chest, that kinda thing.

  4. Wendi Muse wrote:

    p.s. sorry if that sounded mean! i just wanted to clarify the question i am posing in the article…i know POC get tattoos…i just wonder about the content/size…

    carmen, i think you’re right. there are definitely different expectations (esp. when it comes to expressions of gender) for women of color.

  5. Barbara wrote:

    My sister has several tattoos, and our mom (who’s Japanese) flipped out when sis brought home the first one, pretty much for the reasons you outlined. Sis never cared and just kept on getting them, and now she’s working on a sleeve. I now have some piercings and tattoos (although I’m a coward, I had to wait until I moved far away from home so Mom wouldn’t see!), which I decided to do because I wanted to make sure my outsides matched my insides. I’m not a quiet, “nice” girl, which people seem to assume when they meet me, and I wanted to make sure that I was getting appropriated ID’d upfront. I wanted to wear my thoughts and dreams on my ink sleeve (so to speak) and claim them out loud and permanently. It never occurred to me that it might be a “white thing,” but now that you bring it up, I can see it.

    One of our Mom’s biggest concerns when we were growing up was knowing that we’d be judged unfairly from the start, and she knew that anything that set us apart even more than we already were would hinder or hurt. Of course, she was also assuming that we’d want to blend into the mainstream in the first place, and we didn’t, and we couldn’t no matter what we did anyway, so we decided to be us as we wanted rather than worry. What kept me away from getting the piercings and tatts for so long was the cost, because they ARE super expensive, and I don’t have a lot of money, but good art is worth the money. I’d rather carry it with me than just hang it on my wall.

  6. BR wrote:

    For some Blacks, keloids are a HUGE issue. I’m sure that has more than a little to do with it.

  7. gatamala wrote:

    Just when I think Wendi has said/done it all here she comes with this!!!

    I have 3 good-sized visible tats. 2 in color, 1 in black & grey. My motifs are rare in black women (no names, prayer hands, Jesus head, cross for me). I do have a panther’s head & roses that is my “classic” tat.

    CVK I agree with your perception. I’m a tattooed attorney (you can see them when I go sleeveless). I had white law classmates who were tatted on their legs, forearms etc…. I definitely believe the white skin beneath the colors affords them the privilege of a more positive perception.

    ***
    I do tend to get the “why would you do that to yourself” question from blacks as opposed to whites. Granted older folks in general aren’t too enthused about my ink.

    ***
    dNA is it a blanket prohibition? I’ve also heard interpretations that construed the prohibition vis-a-vis religious indicators of other (polytheistic ) faiths.

  8. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    I’ll sign off on Carmen’s comment. If I see a chick with a neck tattoo (especially with someone’s name on it) I automatically make an assumption about class…I’ve seen black girls and white girls with neck tats, and I kind of assume it is a lower class thing.

    In terms of why more women of color don’t go all out, I think it is a combination of things. Like Wendi mentioned above, there are issues with tattoo colors, family expectations, and societal norms.

    Adding to that might be the desire to advance in corporate America. I have heard this from a few friends of mine in regards to facial piercings – they want to do it, but their jobs will not allow it.

    Also, I think the sheer permanence of the design blocks a lot of people from commitment. That’s my issue . I don’t have a problem with getting a tattoo – I just can’t think of anything I want on my body forever…

    My male friends generally do not have that problem – my boyfriend & my best friend have 6 tattoos between them.

  9. marisa wrote:

    I think we have to make a distinction between “body art” and “tattoos.” Maybe they used to mean the same thing, but I know that a lot of body artists draw the distinction. Body art, as you define it here, is still more of a niche. Conceived while drinking, picture of your boyfriend, kermit the frog, etc.= tattoo (i.e. what pays the bills for a lot of parlors, and what I spend most of my time trying to convince my younger relatives not to get). Most everything else is more likey what you call “body art”!

    I’m being silly: The distinction is important because tattoos have become really trendy amongst young people of all kinds of backgrounds. And I’m sure some decisions about what to get and where to get it map along class, as all cultural trends do. Who gets a rose on her inner ankle? Who gets a cross on her neck? This is a thorny place: which one is the “nice” girl? What, really, is being displayed?

    And you’re right that we can’t underestimate the aesthetic dimension. I really don’t think tattoos are quite as taboo as you make them out to be, especially since most large, highly detailed tattoos just don’t look very good on darker skin. And most colors are pretty much out of the question. Words, symbols, etc. simply look much nicer, and will better stand the test of time. Also, what counts as art is relevant to this as well. People I know with symbols, etc. understand their own bodywork as art, even as it might be representational on a different register. That would be an interesting line to pursue, since body marking, when integrated into a culture, is usually understood as doing symbolic work, which is heavily intertwined with the decorative.

    As a professional black woman whose had a piercing and tattoos since way before it was trendy, I can say that they still elicit questions and surprise, but mainly from older black women. And you’re right, one of the things they first ask is usually if I’m worried about how I will be perceived sexually. Some sigh, some smile. But most, I think, get it.

  10. dnA wrote:

    Lol, no its my bad Wendi, I didn’t read carefully enough.

    When I was working the midnite shift at Safeway, there was a dude there whose left are was covered, covered with tats. And they varied greatly in quality, some were really beautiful and intricate, and others were like doodles. His right arm was totally devoid of tattoos.

    Eventually, he explained to me that all the tattoos on his arm he had done himself, and because he’s right handed, he could only do them on his left arm. It was intense. He ended up touching everyone else’s tats who worked on the night shift.

    I think Marisa is onto something with aesthetics. Certain colors translate better to white skin, while writing doesn’t look as good.

    most large, highly detailed tattoos just don’t look very good on darker skin. And most colors are pretty much out of the question. Words, symbols, etc. simply look much nicer, and will better stand the test of time.

    I pretty much concur with that.

  11. gandalf mantooth wrote:

    gat:

    count me in as a tatted LOC (lawyer of color). Getting tattoos was still too “alternative” when I matriculated, so I didn’t have many classmates who sported them. I don’t really recall, it was probably around the time the “tribal” tattoo was becoming ubiquitous. Now though, it seems de rigeur. If you want a record deal, you must have x number of tattoos. The mainstreaming of tattoos has tended to flatten class distinctions. I mean, when I see a girl with a neck tattoo, I think “sorority girl.”

    Even in countries with more rigid class distinctions, where for example, a tattoo means organized crime, having them is becoming more accepted.

  12. julie wrote:

    not to expand too much on anecdotal experiences, but i’ve see crazy-big tattoos on many working-middle class southeast asian men.

  13. Kai wrote:

    What Marisa said makes a lot of sense to me.

    I guess in my experience I haven’t seen much negative reaction to ink and piercings in the professional world. When I was working on Wall Street in the mid-90s, groups of co-workers of both genders would occasionally go out on Thursday night, get tanked and get tattoos. Yes, the women tended to get cutesy ankle designs and such, so I guess you’d say they didn’t “go all out”, but I never had a sense that anyone frowned upon these things; though who knows if those experiences were representative.

    I do question the formulation that one decides not to get a inked or go all out, because the decision to get a tattoo is the proactive irreversible act of commitment; whereas having no body modifications is simply the default human condition, the way we were born, not a proactive commitment or statement in and of itself vis-a-vis a normative tattooed state.

    Certainly if you watch basketball these days (being the most naked big sport), you’d think that many if not most male athletes of color are heavily inked, from AI to Shaq to Lebron. My only complaint is that Asian writing (Chinese, Sanskrit, Tibetan) is so damn trendy! It’s especially rich when Chinese characters don’t exactly mean what the bearer thinks they mean. ;-)

    As for family pressure, the only things my parents said when I got pierced and tattooed was “we hope the police don’t harrass you”. I think that fear of police profiling probably plays a role in some of these cultural phenomena.

    Okay that’s more than enough from me!

  14. Gouw wrote:

    I remember seeing an Indian girl on SuicideGirls. I know this because, in their ethnically-sensitive wisdom, they dubbed her “India”. -_-

  15. gatamala wrote:

    Regarding color, I have turquoise, 2 greens, red and pink. It’s time for me to get a touch up anyway. Darker skinned folks may have to get touch ups more often. I’ve had an artist who used Intenz (sp) ink b/c it shows well on darker skin.

    @ Marisa – I get older bw comments too!!! I guess they think I won’t catch a man! Little do they know I have a STRONG preference for tatooed men.

    Bear in mind that the QUALITY and PLACEMENT of a tattoo, in addition to its design will impact its perception. I’ve seen too much cursive and many crooked Old English letters (shout out to Chicano style tats) on dark skin. $35 for T.J. on the side of a neck won’t look as beautiful as $225 for a butterfly on the back of the neck.

  16. FrancesM wrote:

    Wendi thanks for bringing up yet another great topic! My 2 cents is that (and I know this may sound terrible) most POC have really beautiful skin color on their own & don’t need to put extra things on their skin. That being said I have 3 tattoos & some piercings but what I have are small & tasteful & I waited until I was 32 ( a few months ago) before I finally got a tat (a blue star the size of a quarter on my forearm) that is generally visible to the general public . I plan to get a sparse sleeve of little stars & stop there because I like my skin color as it is & also love what stars mean to me.

    Here in the Pacific Northwest it seems that most women between 20-50, regardless of skin color have tats and or piercings. It may be a west coast thing. Infact I met a dude from New York who asked if it was a state requirement for women to have tattoos! Peace! ~F

  17. really wrote:

    KELOIDS people!

  18. niki wrote:

    another point to note re: what julie said. as wendi noted with her original post, the historically cultural connections with tattooing and body modification in minority cultures hold true for south east Asian, Polynesian and pacific islander cultures as well.
    Traditional tattoos from these regions seem to be popular again in an effort to reconnect with those cultures.

    And then the anecdote: My family has used tattooing as a means of creating an unofficial family crest since our ancestors departure from the Philippines, we have one tattoo we all share and many have discussed doing another related to traditional style tattooing.

    Regardless, this is a great post Wendi. And yes, I fit your stereotype to a certain extent. Mine are smaller, symbols albeit one is on my wrist for all to see.

  19. ccch wrote:

    I got one for my 40th birthday, ( my niece’s boyfriend did it for free!) but I too had to fight the stigma within my family and the black community. I think we’re so much more conservative than is projected and I wish people would remember that black Americans (people) were/are (initially) Republicans……Nonetheless I’m living/working here in Europe (in the conservative finance field) and it’s fabulous at my age to “sport” such a trend as I’m (irrespective of colour and ESPECIALLY because of my sex) edgy and “in the know” (giggle) and get lots of young Swiss females who want to know (although because of my darker hue the colour’s a bit reduced) if it hurted or especially where should they position theirs. It’s way cool and honestly I do feel trendy (again giggle)……..

  20. thejoyprincess wrote:

    My freshman year in college it became such a trend, that and tongue piercing (I opted for a nose ring that I took out a year later when I got a federal internship).

    But I remember thinking why in the world would people want to do that to themselves, like my grandmother said to me when I ditched perms and went natural.

    I do rather like looking at people’s creative designs though and once or twice I’ve thought that I’d like to get a small cluster of stars tattooed on my upper arm, but then I tend to think that because I’m not a get-a-tattoo sort of person, it would look ridiculous on me.

    In other news…the black woman who made that comment in Afro Punk was NY-based musician Tamar Kali. She is awesome!

    http://www.flamingyoni.com/home.html
    http://www.myspace.com/tamarkali

  21. Angela wrote:

    I don’t get them because I am a wimp. But yeah, I pretty much agree that within the black community, tattoos are associated with lower tier blacks, or blacks who are “down” and don’t want to rise to another socio-economic level–and I have yet to see black punks outside of the afropunk website.

    Besides being a wimp, I figure that I’m pretty much as “alternative” as it gets and people who know me already know this, so why should I dress like the music I listen to when it isn’t my style? *shrug*

  22. merq wrote:

    Great piece, Wendi.

    I’m glad Carmen brought up the race/class issue, because that was going to be my response to your question as I read it.

    The “Edgy/artsy vs. Ghetto” racial dichotomy is an unfortunate reality in America. There are trillions of things I’d love to do to myself (body art-wise, of course… heh), but the concerns over the way I will be perceived in the workplace have restricted me to a paltry ear piercing and single armband tattoo (that, of course, is hidden by 95% of the shirts in my closet).

    And the tragedy is that I’m in advertising. I should totally be allowed to get away with murder, but… you know.

  23. bygbaby wrote:

    I agree that keloids could be a problem but lets be honest. Large tattoos are not cheap & many people of color would rather spend money on more tangible items.

    As for myself a Negro male, I have 3 tats, 2 of them are large then I have my original baby tattoo.

    I asked a tattoo artist before about how many Negro clients he had & what kinds of stuff they got & it was small typical stuff & names/words etc as mentioned above. He then said that he sees financial barriers because most of the Negro clients that came to his shop did not want to spend the money to get something more complex.

    Lastly, when it comes to colored tattoos, if you have dark skin, those colors are not gonna show up well.

    Bygbaby

    PS: I hate visible neck & any face tattoo. They are really ghetto & low class.

  24. WildMagnolia wrote:

    I have a definite appreciation for tattoos but I have enough to deal with right now without trying to make any other statements. Regardless of the history of tats, at this point in time they put you in a certain category. I know it’s an art form more than five thousand years old but I’m not in the mood to explain that to everyone I encounter. I have enough explaining to do for my culture. My unadorned skin says enough to the world. More than I want it to. I am under the microscope. A woman of color is more harshly judged than others.
    So, until they start handing out corporate gigs to ghetto girls, my canvas will remain untouched. I will ‘Fight the powers that be’ in my own quiet way.

    X

  25. Lisha wrote:

    Amen to WildMagnolia!

  26. michelle wrote:

    Amen, amen to WildMagnolia.

    I think that as far as some Black women are concerned, most of us are busy fighting the mental battle of “to perm or go natural” debate. Perhaps when you see a Black woman with all natural hair, that is her very personal, very visible and extremely radical acknowledgement of the mother land. Could it be that perhaps tatoos=natural hair for some Black women? That it is a form of body art?

    And I wonder, if a the Suicide Girls had to choose between two women of color with body art, one had a natural hairstyle and the other had a long straight weave, I really do wonder what the reaction would be to those two women in terms of their perceived sex appeal?

  27. Bohemian Writer wrote:

    Amen & God Bless to Lisha & WildMagnolia! I feel y’all!

  28. bertie wrote:

    I think cost and keloids are the main factors stopping alot of black folks from getting extensive tatts. I know plenty of men (and some women) who have fraternity brands–and these folks have no negative stigma associated with their body art.

  29. Miss Profe wrote:

    I personally don’t find tatoos attractive and the sign of healthy skin. One is causing trauma to the skin. Not to mention when the effects of aging set in, the tat sags along with everything else. LOL! My goal is healthy skin, and any scars I acquire will be by accident (hopefully), and not because I paid for them.

  30. WildMagnolia wrote:

    Bertie wrote:
    “I think cost and keloids are the main factors stopping alot of black folks from getting extensive tatts. I know plenty of men (and some women) who have fraternity brands–and these folks have no negative stigma associated with their body art.”
    __________________________
    Black people can’t afford tattoos???? Huh? That sounds like a stereotype. Most Black people aren’t poor. Don’t believe the hype.
    Also, how can one know what “negative stigma” someone else might or might not experience and then state that assumption as a fact?? NO ONE has experienced negative stigma??? I doubt that. I can only speak for myself but that opinion sounds baseless especially in light of all the negativity we DO, FOR A FACT experience based on merely the hue of our skin. Every facet of our lives has been picked apart and found wanting by a large population of this planet. Hair texture, hair length, shade of brown, speech, lip size, nose size, ass size…. The list is endless. I see no reason for the racially challenged to exclude tattoos.

  31. bertie wrote:

    – wildmagnolia. I know black folks can afford tatts–as many black people have them. But are we willing to spend for the elaborate type of body art the author is writing about or are we more likely to spend our money on other forms of personal expression (ie clothes, hair, car, etc)? It seems the type of body art at issue is fueled by a desire to be individualistic and outside the mainstream. By virtue of our skin tone, we already viewed as outside of the mainstream, so the body art maybe isn’t as important.

  32. Wendi Muse wrote:

    i agree with both bertie AND wildmagnolia here. as i mention in the article, i think both how people decide to spend their money (in large amounts) and how they feel they would be judged on account of their skin color very much influences the decision to get elaborate tattoos. the tattoos that i have cost thousands of dollars. i don’t think bertie was saying black people are poor, he was just re-iterating what i mentioned in the article, which is that some people may spend large amounts of money on other things . . . and that’s totally fine. and i agree, wildmagnolia, and also mention in the article, that people of color (of all backgrounds, not just black people) have a myriad of stereotypes and outside judgment they have to deal with purely based on their racial/ethnic background, so the idea of getting extensive body art done to call more attention to yourself may be seen as adding fuel to the fire.

    but at the end of the day, to get extensive body art vs. the decision to leave your skin untouched is very much a personal choice that involves several factors–not just race/ethnicity/economic status.

  33. Keke wrote:

    I can’t speak for everyone, but for me, it would definitely add a new dimension to the everyday fight of trying to live and survive. It’s hard enough to try to find employment, pay bills, find a place to live and shop and have fun in peace as an African American let alone having to contend with even more of the idiotic assumptions people will make based on appearance.

    Lots of African Americans can afford tattoos, but I feel it is a very serious decision to undertake. If I change my mind, getting them removed is painful and time consuming. I feel that it would definitely limit my opportunities.

    But then again, it can do that for anyone, regardless of race. Most areas in corporate America will be hard pressed to hire anyone with body art that can be easily seen. So for me, it is a personal decision that I have made that doesn’t necessarily represent the feelings and attitudes of all African Americans.

  34. Goodnapps wrote:

    I am definitely vibing the comments left by WildMagnolia and Keke. I love full body tattoos but as an AA woman, I’ve got enough on my plate to deal with in society. So my one little old tattoo on my arm will have to do for now.

  35. lemure wrote:

    Hey I have a few small meaninful tats, my boyfriend has huge tribal tats . But he is a dj and I work in an office. While I work in non traditional offices, I definitely feel that visible body art would result in me being taken less seriously than a white man with the same.

    As for Suicide Girls, trust me, they are looking for women of color who fit into their white girl aesthetic. After speaking with several friends and perusing their website, I’m sure a rocker chick of color with less than straight hair that didnt look like a white woman dipped in paint would not be accept there. The rocker “alternative” scene is far more racist than it pretends to be.

  36. Wendi Muse wrote:

    re: suicide girls…”gouw” noted India Suicide…and her name being ethnicity-specific. However, i just wanted to add a point of clarification: SG models pick their own names, so it was her decision to go with that handle.

    also re: suicide girls and whether or not they would include an “ethnic” model that didn’t fit a white aesthetic…i have noticed that they do include women of size, especially in comparison to typical pin-up/nude model magazines…and when it comes to hair, i see everything from straight to curly to dreds, fros, and girls who are completely bald… some of the girls don’t even look “punk” or “alternative,” so i think they are pretty broad when it comes to that.

  37. nichelle wrote:

    As much as I love body art and would be very happy to go all out and have full sleeves or multiple visible piercings etc, I also am very conscious of my place in the world and how people perceive me. I’m a first generation Cuban-Jamaican immigrant lesbian law student with locs. I already have to push to be accepted in my school, my work, my life without having the added judgment of what my body art says to people. That said I do have piercings and ink but I’m very conscious of their placement. So no lower arm, leg tats or facial piercings for me. I’ve seen how it has limited my other friends in their career options and just in how people treat them and I suppose I just don’t want to add another “other” to my list.

    My jewish roommate has lower partial sleeves and numerous ear piercings including gauged earlobes and it hasn’t affected her job or student life at all. However me with my brown skin and neatly manicured locs always garner a second (sometimes snide) glance. And that’s even before they find out I’m gay. So I can’t speak for black and latina women everywhere but that’s why I don’t go all out. And yes sometimes it feels like I’m selling out to get ahead but… that’s my choice, that’s my life.

    And I accept it.

  38. michelle wrote:

    So I tried to look at the SG website and wow…there are almost 1500 girls so I will have to take your word for the inclusiveness of hair type. I didn’t see any women rocking natural hair that is naturally kinky or very tightly curled, but I didn’t even see a quarter of all the women on the site.

  39. crista wrote:

    i like what was mentioned about the difference between a tattoo as being edgy/hip and/or ghetto/low class. I think that white people with tattoos can be viewed by others (white or not) as falling in one of those categories. its then up to the tattooed white individual to choose to create and propogate an image on the side of edgy/cool or ghetto/low class.

    i think the choices are more limited for people of color. While white people can be seen as edgy/hip with a tattoo, that same edgy tribal design on someone of color i think is often seen by observing white people as edgy/political/proud/ extreme/militant/scary ..etc. the corrolation can go on. For example poster niki mentioned the tattoo for her heritage. It was a personal decision, but i think to a large majority of white people in power situation (As a boss, employer, etc.) they can read the tattoo as proud of their heritage, and then take it too far as to think that it is indicative of a troublemaker, and someone out to “disturb the peace.”" of our white majority thinking. in a sort of throwback thinking to jim crow/race riots of the past etc.

    Anyway, i think faced with battleing those images, if I was not white, I think i would choose not to have a large visible tattoo as well. I think it just comes down to a person who is not white choosing to have a tattoo can, to some observers, be making a more powerful statement than someone who is white, whether they want to or not. and like people have said here, just adding to their plate of things appearance wise that they have to worry about overcoming.

  40. cw wrote:

    I don’t understand this fascination with getting a tattoo nor of people having tattoos. I think it’s a fad that will run its course. Your children will associate this practice with the old folks.

  41. Quietus wrote:

    Just like to make a little point. Very well-written article, but you identified tattoos as being an example of ‘appropriation’. The oldest evidence of any sort we have for tattooing, archaeological or otherwise, are the 57, probably ritual and medicinal, tattoos on the body of ‘Otzi the Iceman’, a natural mummy of a copper age man (circa 3300 BC) who was found frozen in the Austrian alps in 1991. Roman, arabic and other historical sources, as well as archaeology, also tell us that tattooing was also extremely common amongst the pre-christian tribes of Europe, particularly the Germans, the Celts and the Rus. Despite an obvious disconnect when christianity (which in its strictest interpretation, ie including the laws of Leviticus, bans tattoos) was imposed upon Europe there was an obvious disconnect, however, in modern times, tattooing in the west still goes back quite a long way in certain circles: as long ago as the 17th century, for example, it would not be unusual to find many British sailors sporting often very elaborate tattoos related to their profession (anchor chains, scenes of sea battles, etc.) Tattooing is common in many armed forces to this day. This is all to say that, before tattooing is written off as a ‘non-white’ practice ’stolen’ by us, perhaps rather the truth is more that tattooing was an almost universal practice of countless peoples from around the world that was suppressed by the spread of christianity and classicism. These things are really as culturally alien to the majority of white people as they are to everyone else. This is all too often forgotten.

  42. Wendi Muse wrote:

    hi quietus
    thanks for the additional historical background for the piece
    i don’t think whites “stole” tattooing or other forms of body art from people of color. that’s the unfortunate thing about the distortion of the word appropriate…as i say in the article, the punks i reference paid homage to indigenous (of all races) cultures when they decided to co-opt some of their traditions…i dont think anyone ever stole body art nor do i think that anyone ever truly “owned” it to be stolen in the first place. i just think in popular (american) culture, there is a disconnect between (recent and ancient) indigenous body art traditions and present-day american manifestations of the same.

  43. Lykathea Erilaz wrote:

    I agree with Nichelle on the subject of having enough oppression to handle without the excess attention tattoos and piercings attract. I’m a Pagan, first generation Chinese immigrant, metalhead, and musician. I already have to deal with enough bias without adding body art to the mix for people to judge. Subcultural clothes and ‘freaky’ hair dye can be removed, but body art cannot – note that the ‘emo’ look is very popular among youth of color, but the ‘tattooed hipster’ is not.

    I don’t think it’s about white people stealing people of color’s body art, but rather that we are already the second choice for jobs, and we don’t want to be pushed to third. Same reason I was one of 2 non-white ‘freaks’ in a university with 8,000 students of color. And what about women? This is also the reason we see more men with full body art than women, in all racial groups.