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  1. FEB wrote:

    USA Today – Feds watch anti-immigrant extremists

    Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center said it all:

    “It’s no longer unusual to hear vilifying fairy tales of immigrant-borne secret conspiracies and massive criminality on the radio, cable television and even in the mouths of pandering politicians.”

    Racist xenophobes are moving from the extremes and into the mainstream, in large measure because of reactionaries like CNN’s Lou Dobbs. A phony like Dobbs doesn’t deserve to called a journalist, he’s already crossed the line and became a full-fledged pundit.

    Many “guests” featured on his show have links with white supremacists groups, but somehow this gets magically waive past his eyes and those of the CNN executive board.

    In fact, Dobbs’ partnership with these extremists is a clever move: as long as he allows them address immigration in racial terms, he keeps himself “clean” and can claim that he never stated anything in racial terms. Call it surrogate racism.

  2. Tereza wrote:

    Feb, what you say about racist xenophobes moving into the mainstream is true. Have you heard/read this interview with Max Blumenthal about the “Forces Behind the Anti-Immigrant Movement?” Yikes!

  3. Brad wrote:

    Media criticized over couples murder:

    It is such a tragedy of what happened to these young people. Hopefully justice will be served appropriately (death penalty). The crime is so brutal they deserve it.

    However with all that is going on in the world now. It is easy to see why the national media didn’t cover this story aggressively. But I do understand some of the bloggers points about the duke rape case getting so much coverage and this getting so little.

    I also believe this was a hate crime. The level of violence and the sexual torture that was used is so brutal that i do find it a little hard to believe that race never onced cross the minds of the killers.

  4. FEB wrote:

    Hi Tereza,

    Thank for that link. No, I didn’t read the interview with Max Blumenthal before posting my take on the story about the anti-immigrant groups and white supremacists. Believe me, Blumenthal is preaching to the choir. I knew about the Klan doing border patrols during the 1970s; the Minutemen basically copied them.

    But what I find more disturbing is foreshadowing anti-immigrant hate crimes by proxy. Leaders of major white supremacist groups like Richard Butler of the Christian Identity Movement, and William Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries, fill their followers with hatred of minorities and Jews. Eventually one of them acts out these messages and commits aggravated assault or murder. Butler and Pierce always retreated back into their plausible denial, “I never explicitly told him to go do it.” The result is that their foot soldiers go to prison or ends up dead, while the instigators remain free to continue.

    Lou Dobbs is similar to this sordid practice. He is careful not to address the issue of immigration in racial terms, but he invites anti-immigrant activists who readily articulate in unambiguous racial language. So while his “guests” are busy invoking the demographics of race, Dobbs can appear to technically “clean.”

    Tereza… before I forget:

    I read your blog about the racist graffiti on the picnic table.
    Rest assured, these people are so stupid they can’t even be competent Nazis.

    Note the word “Abeit” is misspelled; it’s “Arbeit!!” Dumb f**ks!

  5. FEB wrote:

    Okay, let’s analyze this,

    But I do understand some of the bloggers points about the Duke rape case getting so much coverage and this getting so little.
    I also believe this was a hate crime. The level of violence and the sexual torture that was used is so brutal that I do find it a little hard to believe that race never onced cross the minds of the killers.

    Before you opine your forensic expertise and assure us that a hate crime was committed against a white couple, let’s check with the prosecution.
    What? The chief of police and the prosecutor say there’s no evidence of a “hate crime” or sexual assault? Gee… I guess they must be part of that “liberal media” conspiracy.
    What? The family attorney for one of the victims says “the parents don’t believe their daughter’s killing was race-related?” Yeah, I suppose the father must be a bleeding heart liberal, never mind his Confederate flag T-shirt he wore in court.

    Sarcasm aside, you’re not about justice, you don’t really want find out the truth, you’re not colorblind, and you have an ax to grind with blacks. Your entire statement exposes your eagerness to find any case where you can prove minority racism being on equal footing with white racism.

  6. Brad wrote:

    FEB writes:

    Before you opine your forensic expertise and assure us that a hate crime was committed against a white couple

    If I have forensic expertize then you are quite the psychologist.

    Sarcasm aside, you’re not about justice, you don’t really want find out the truth, you’re not colorblind, and you have an ax to grind with blacks. Your entire statement exposes your eagerness to find any case where you can prove minority racism being on equal footing with white racism.

    Ok I will continue Brad V FEB blood fued Part III here. Let me explain some things here ok.

    1.The chief of police and the prosecutor say there’s no evidence of a “hate crime”

    So what if the prosecution says there is no evidence of a hate crime. I disagree with him. The only two witnesses who could say that are dead afterall.

    With that FEB I pose to you to you a question. Can you say race wasn’t a factor when you look at the facts of this case? C’mon FEB If they were just looking for a car to steal then why did they kidnap, rape both of them, and then kill them? Do you really think it is that big of a leap to say race was one of the factors in their chose of targets.

    2.or sexual assault? you are wrong there re-read the article it says both were sexually assaulted.

    3. The family attorney for one of the victims says “the parents don’t believe their daughter’s killing was race-related?” Yeah, I suppose the father must be a bleeding heart liberal,

    Actually the family of Channon Christian are the only ones who say that. Christopher Newsoms Father has said in a recent interview that he believed his sons killing didn’t start out racist but did end up that way. Actually if you were to look at the the facts of the case that seems to be quite accurate.

    4. Your entire statement exposes your eagerness to find any case where you can prove minority racism being on equal footing with white racism.

    Well FEB as much would love to disagree with you I’m not because that would be lie.
    You’re right FEB I did comment on this article because it seems to be a case of Black on white racism. You don’t hear alot on these cases. I frankly don’t why. Why these cases can’t be brought into the public light for a fair discussion on race is a little unfair to me because it would make the debate on race in America more 3-dimensional then the way it is right now.

    FEB I’m not rying to say minority racism would have a bigger impact on America then White racism. It wouldn’t of course because well as much as this makes want to stick my head into a toilet and shoot projectile vomit from my mouth. I have to agree that white racism is more dangerous than non-white racism because of the white majority in this country but that is only reason.

    Minorities are no more justified in being racist than a white person is because it is just as Evil. And causes the same hurt to its victims.

    Peace.

  7. FEB wrote:

    Can you prove that it was a hate crime? No, of course you can’t. And if the prosecutor believed he had any chance of proving it (no matter how slight), he would have amended the charges as a way of intimidating the defense.

    So, before we get too carried away with this whole spiel is about “blacks being racist too or whites being victims of racism,” let’s remember how many black men were murdered in the South because some bored white woman LIED about being raped or attacked.

    To be sure, nobody here condones violence and murder, and nobody denies that all human beings have the capacity for racist sentiments. What happened to that couple was evil in every sense of the word, and those responsible need to be punished with the utmost severity.

    But let’s remember, it’s one thing to express revulsion at this monstrous crime, and genuine sympathy for the victims; it’s quite another thing to exploit a tragedy for political capital, especially when the point in question (anti-white racism) is not proven.

  8. Brad wrote:

    FEB

    dude I know I can’t prove it what happened to these two people was a hate crime. Don’t forget the only two who could say there was are dead. My only evidence is the brutality of the crime. All I’am saying is if this is a just a case of a car-jacking gone bad then why did they kidnap, rape and murder them. These 4 have robbed before and didn’t use this much violence before. So why is it such an offense to you that I suggest that race may have played a role?

    So, before we get too carried away with this whole spiel is about “blacks being racist too or whites being victims of racism,” let’s remember how many black men were murdered in the South because some bored white woman LIED about being raped or attacked.

    You know what FEB I’ve always taken the high road with people like you but not this time. Remember the V-tech “debate” we had a couple of weeks ago. I remember one of your little rants when you criticized me for bringing up dangerous groups like MS-13, Al-qaeda, Serbian War criminals. I remember you later called me Xenophic.
    Well the above rant proves you are a HYPOCRITE. You personally attacked me for using a legimate point about illegal immigration and then you turn around and use the past oppression of African-Americans to prove what point exactly?

    That African-Americans are beyond reproach and shouldn’t have to answer for when hate crimes are suspected because of their history of being oppressed? That my friend is a very slippery slope.

    But let’s remember, it’s one thing to express revulsion at this monstrous crime, and genuine sympathy for the victims; it’s quite another thing to exploit a tragedy for political capital, especially when the point in question (anti-white racism) is not proven.

    You have no business accusing me of exploiting anything. I’m not any of those dirtbag nazis who are digging these poor kids up and then draging their good names through the mud for there pitiful cause. You shouldn’t be using African-American history to belittle your opponents or anyobne who disagrees with you. Has does that grab ya for exploitation?

  9. FEB wrote:

    Brad, before you call me hypocrite, take a deep breath and think about this…

    There’s an interesting pattern here. Conservative whites are up in arms about the media’s rush to prejudge the Duke Lacosse Team; now, they are outraged at the media’s coyness in not pressing a “hate crime” charge in the TN, despite the misgivings from the prosecutor and the police.

    You lose credibility when you support jurisprudence (innocent until proven guilty) for white defendants, but then lobby for media trial in the case of these black defendants.

  10. Brad wrote:

    You lose credibility when you support jurisprudence (innocent until proven guilty) for white defendants, but then lobby for media trial in the case of these black defendants

    When I have done that? Nice Try trying to paint me as a racist. You need to look at all my comments I have ever posted on this board. Whenever white people have done something racist against minorities I have spoken against it. So get off trying to paint me as a racist it’s not working.

    PS I’m not a republican, I’m an idependent

    Unlike the Duke lacrosse scandal, This case has evidence that is pretty daming to theses defendants. The duke lacrosse players that were indicted all had evidence that cleared them.

  11. FEB wrote:

    This is getting very tired.

    Unlike the Duke lacrosse scandal, This case has evidence that is pretty daming to theses defendants. The duke lacrosse players that were indicted all had evidence that cleared them.

    Two things about the Duke lacrosse: first, the media jumped the gun because of the sensationalism; second, the prosecutor’s misconduct and exacerbated the situation by egging on media. Get it? These two factors converged and fed off each other.
    What we have here in TN is a more prudent prosecutor and a media that is still digesting the bad taste of the Duke lacrosse case.

    If it’s right to criticize the media for having pre-judged the Duke lacrosse players in the court of public opinion; then it’s right to praise the media for showing restraint in the case of the Tennessee murders. Sorry Brad but you can’t have it both ways.

  12. Brad wrote:

    This is getting very tired.

    Awwww poor FEB, do you need a hug?

    If it’s right to criticize the media for having pre-judged the Duke lacrosse players in the court of public opinion; then it’s right to praise the media for showing restraint in the case of the Tennessee murders. Sorry Brad but you can’t have it both ways.

    I never actually criticized the media in this case In fact I actually said I understood why they didn’t. The only thing I ever said about the media is that I would love to see this case debated in the media as much as the duke case was since there is a racial angle here.

    FEB I said all along that all I have is just my opinion that this was a hate crime I never said I could prove it. The only way a hate crime could be proven is if the defendents admit it was which is not going to happen. So I have no delusions.

    FEB why you see the need to make wild accusations against those who disagree with you is your business but like I said If you attack me I will fight back.

    I feel sorry for you man

    peace

  13. FEB wrote:

    It’s getting tired because your longwinded and tedious whinning is more concerned about front-paging minority-on-white racism, rather than examining a more complete dynamics of how race impacts these cases.

    Awwww poor FEB, do you need a hug?

    LMAO Grow up.
    ….

    America is one of those countries that suffers from “racial Alzheimer,” it forgets or it wants to forget it’s racist past. Incidents like the Duke Lacrosse Team and the murders in TN don’t happen in a bubble; they are part of a historial context.

    In the collective memory of black America, there is a long history of false accusations, racist judges/juries, and impunity for whites who commited crimes against them. This background merely explains the suspicion of white racism and the perceived unwillingness to aggressively pre-convict black defendants; it is not absolution for criminal behavior.

    There is no sense of schadenfreude here, but an occasional O.J. Simpson, Duke Lacrosse, or whatever case where whites feel the sting of being on the receiving end of racial injustice, may actually impart more EMPATHY FOR OTHERS who felt the same pain for far longer and a lot more.

    You say that your not a racist… okay… I would like to believe that. So prove to me that you can be fair-minded. All that I’m asking for is a bit more understanding for how the issues are seen from a non-white perspective. Why do have to be so dismissive of minority perspectives?

  14. Brad wrote:

    Sorry FEB been out-of-town on business. I’ve never been dismissive of non-white perspectives. I don’t always agree with them but never dismissed them.

    All that I’m asking for is a bit more understanding for how the issues are seen from a non-white perspective.

    Fine. And all I ask for is no personal attacks.

    whatever case where whites feel the sting of being on the receiving end of racial injustice, may actually impart more EMPATHY FOR OTHERS who felt the same pain for far longer and a lot more.

    Again this is History we should never forget the lessons of history. But History should also not be used as a free-pass to commit brutal acts of racial violence against people who are stereotyped as being the “priviledged” class.

    Again FEB are you saying that their history gives African Americans a free pass not to answer for their own Racism? Never mind whites what about some hate crimes some blacks have commited against other minorities? Don’t they have to answer for them?