Open Mic Night: Enter At Your Own Risk

by Racialicious special correspondent Latoya Peterson

I always wonder why the hell white people go to open mic nights at Busboys and Poets.

Busboys and Poets is “a restaurant, bookstore, and gathering place for people who believe that social justice and peace are attainable goals.” Their website neglects to mention that they are one of the hottest intellectual chill spots in the U Street corridor, with comfy couches, free wi-fi, and a bookstore full of provocative titles. Combine that with sexy and eclectic people, good music, and a decent food and drink menu, and you have my home away from home.

Every time I take a seat in the Langston Room (the venue for events), I find myself scanning the crowd to check out the racial mix.

Neo-bohemians of varying shades of brown flow in, dreds bouncing, blue jeans and hoodies melding with city couture and drab business casual. Snatches of spanish float through the air, but are largely drowned out in the cacophony of voices talking about politics, social movements, classic novels and new media. I take my seat, order a mug of fruit-flavored tea, and sip quietly waiting for the show tonight.

Now, sometimes everything goes fine. The night is a mix of revolutionary poetry, tearful odes to lost love, humorous erotic pleas, and classic poetry interwoven into the frenetic pace of the evening. Poetry nights can be mixed affairs, featuring soulful poems and poignant reflections about society in general. But on other nights, well…

Let’s take my last visit to Busboys as an example. I sat, clicking away on my laptop between sets, waiting for the next poet to start. Then I hear:

“THE WHITE MAN THINKS HE’S GOD!”

The poet, one of my favorites, takes a decidedly antagonistic tone that evening.

After railing against war-mongering, the destruction of the environment, and the systemic eradication of native peoples, he closes the poem, last lines dripping with contempt:

“THE WHITE MAN THINKS HE’S GOD!

Spelled backwards is DOG!”

He abruptly departs the stage, leaving the mic reeling in the stand.

The white people in the audience shift uncomfortably in their seats. Quietly, after the sets finish, they begin to slip out of the wooden doors. By 10:30, the venue consists solely of people of color.

In the arena of political poetry, white people would be wise to tread lightly. While every evening does not feature verbal missiles lobbed at white privilege and a racist society, it can quickly become that evening’s theme. And that common theme, the bonding over shared outrage at a racist and oppressive society, can unite some poetry lovers and alienate others.

One mid-last-summer night at Busboys, I had managed to a convince a whole slew of my friends to live la vie Boheme and attend one of the poetry nights I had come to adore. It was a balmy evening, and I lured them with the promise of a pineapple mojito and a side of good conversation. Picking at our nachos, we dominated the back of a very large booth. As the venue began to fill, two young white girls came to share our space, excited to attend the increasingly popular open mic night. Then the open mic began.

A girl took the stage, and spoke beautifully about trying to find a lost love. Another person took the mic, and talked about the latent potential of the black community. The next three poets took the stage and raged against white people. Gentrification, and the loss of the neighborhood to “blue-eyed interlopers” was the subject of the first poem. The next poem revolved around experiencing racism at work, and trying to “break free from the plantation.” The white girls sitting next to us sat stiffly in their seats, cringing a little bit at the rowdy peals of applause coming from the audience.

The third act was a string of unintelligible mumbling, punctuated by self-righteous statements about “the WHITE man.” The girls spoke quietly among themselves until the set ended. Then, one of them turned towards me.

“Is it always like this?”

I answered honestly. No, the poetry nights tend to vary based on who takes the stage.

My explanation was interrupted by a loud throat clearing from one of my friends. The other friend stated, to no one in particular, “If they want to be here, they need to deal with it. I’m not apologizing.”

The white girl blushed. She and her friend quickly paid their check and left mid-way into the next set.

It has almost been a year since that night, and the memory of the fleeing white girls has never left me. I have since explored other poetry nights at Busboys, like Sarah Browning’s Sunday Kind of Love, which features a mixed audience and poems about love and loss, and the Nine on the 9th event, which emphasizes featured and published poets from around the globe. Still, the normal Tuesday open mic remains a venue for people of color to vent their frustrations about love, sex, life - and of course, the ruling class. And while I see the same brown faces each week, all too often the white kids who I encounter in the Langston Room do not return, preferring to hang out in the Busboys lounge or bookstore, discussing politics and knocking back drinks.

I wonder why more white poets don’t take the mic and rail against their treatment. If I were white, I would want to. I would write a poem about having to atone for the sins of others, or choosing to be conscious of my whiteness, to claim it, rather than to just pretend my race does not exist.

Or maybe I wouldn’t. Maybe white poets don’t want to write about their whiteness, or can’t find the words express their truth without putting a very intimate part of the self up for public comment. I’ve wanted to write a poem for so long, in response to all of the poets who climb on stage and insinuate that they are more comfortable with their blackness than I am because they wear their hair in a natural style. I want to write a response poem, but the only line I’ve come up with in twelve months is “Do I need afro-centric hair to think afro-centric thoughts?”

[Gratuitous Boondocks reference: “You can’t be a revolutionary without capri pants!”]

So, maybe it isn’t so easy to claim your space from someone who is telling you you have no right to be there. It takes a lot of courage to find your voice in a wave of hostile dissenting opinion.

After the white girls left that night, the mumbling man returned to the stage. He had forgotten his poem mid set and took a few minutes to recover. He stepped back on stage and resumed mumbling, still talking about “the WHITE man.” He then threw out an analogy - that the Washington Monument was “the white man’s great big white dick,” an homage to the raping of people, culture, and politics by someone else’s “pencil dicked agenda.”

The room fell out at that analogy - as native Washingtonians, we would never be able to look upon our two-toned monument the same way again. After a few more pointed comments, the mumbler ended his set grousing he was tired of looking upon the penis in the capital.

The next poet was called to the stage.

A shy white man blinked in the light. He climbed the stairs and cleared his throat nervously. He adjusted his papers, and took a sip of water. He stared into the sea of black faces, all of whom waited to see how he would chose to follow three straight acts of anti-white sentiment.

He took a deep breath, and with lightly accented voice, he offered this opening statement:

“I would like to state for the record…that is NOT my penis on the capital.”

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    […] Open Mic Night: Enter at Your Own Risk — “While every evening does not feature verbal missiles lobbed at white privilege and a racist society, it can quickly become that evening’s theme. And that common theme, the bonding over shared outrage at a racist and oppressive society, can unite some poetry lovers and alienate others.” [This is a neat entry.] […]

Comments

  1. inciquay wrote:

    I have nothing revolutionary to add but I did want to say that I really enjoyed reading this piece. Good writing and a punchline too boot ;-)

  2. Brad wrote:

    Some white people especially liberals need to grow some balls and stand-up for themselves. If I were there, I certainly would speak-up even if I were booed off and called “racist”. When I was younger and didn’t I got beat up for it.

  3. Zig wrote:

    Most of those white folks probably think that just being there is “enough,” that they’re doing everyone a favor by not thinking through their racism and don’t want their whiteness to come up at all. To paraphrase William Upski Wimsat, though, white people need to stop being afraid of “messing up” and saying the wrong thing. As long as they’re intimidated by us, they’ll never really respect us. They’ll never be able to chill out until they’re willing to embarrass themselves. That goes for anyone, really.

    On another note, let’s be real: a lot of racist black poets are racist hack poets. The Washington Monument looks like a big white dick? Really. I never would’ve thought of that. White dominance is like… sex? Damn. I always thought of sex as a fun thing. You’ve taught me a whole new way of looking at it, yo.

  4. Kaywil wrote:

    It just always reminds me of an abused child who grew up and kicked his step-father’s ass. On one hand, you cheer the kid that is finally standing up to his oppressor. On the other hand, the kid is using the same violence that was used on him to get revenge. It is well known in psychology that the abused, if left untreated, will become the abuser. It’s just hard to decide whether to congratulate the kid or reprimand the kid. And like many abusive parents or step-parents, they are not quick to admit that they destroyed someone else’s life (and probably generations after that) through their abuse.

    Who’s wrong. Who’s right. I’m torn.

  5. Xena wrote:

    I have to agree wtih Kaywil. Bashing whites perpetuates the cycle of racism and abuse and will inevitably lead to further racism on the part of whites. In response to Brad and Zig, I imagine it’s got to be really intimidating for a white poet to stand up in front of a group of people of color who are cheering on racist black poets and speak his or her mind. Easier said than done, but I applaud the white poet who eventually does.

  6. Johnston wrote:

    The Washington monument=phallic symbol is nothing new. It goes back at least to the Isis Papers (which I guess no one here has read) but probably even earlier.

    I think it is interesting that the OP and Zig want the white folks to jump up on stage, stand up for themselves and earn respect. Whenever I suggest that Black women need to stop chemically processing their hair, stand up for themselves and demand respect for who they are, hair and all, I get shutdown.

  7. Stef wrote:

    I think it’s a reasonable response to leave a hostile environment, to just walk out. A lot of people don’t feel like fighting (through their own poems or whatever) for a variety of reasons. I imagine not too many people would enjoy paying to go out in the evening just to be put down. If a predominantly white group of peopple came to freely express themselves through poetry and said stuff like, “Black people are always doing ____ (fill in the blank) to me and they suck!!” I’m sure that most blacks in the audience would say, “Screw this” and leave. People can come together over their shared “outrage at a racist and oppressive society” without being devicive. One thing that always helps is to avoid blanket statements such as, “The Black man is…” or “The white man is…”

    THE White man? Which one? Me? My brother? All of us? If someone is upset at particular behavior they have seen some particular white people exhibit, it’s more precise and less alienating to talk about it that way rather than paint a whole race of people with a broad brush, attributing said behavior to every member of that group. It’s so easy to displace your anger onto strangers for the fact that those strangers happen to look like the people you are angry at.

    The white kids wanted to come play, but maybe Busboy’s Tusday night crowd isn’t ready to be inclusive of others. That’s certainly their choice and they have a right to do whatever poetry they wish.

    If those white audience members were more casually interested in spoken word, then they may just leave their experiences at that and never persue the art-form again, either as artist or audience member. If they are truely interested in the medium, though, maybe thwill go on to form a gathering of their own where they can express what they need to express and listen to what they care to listen to.

    I kind of like the “mixed bag” aspect of poerty nights, where you don’t know what will be presented next. But if three poems in a row are insulting you, that’s a downer.

    Good post. And the “abused child” analogy from Kaywil is food for thought.

  8. Terell wrote:

    “I’ve wanted to write a poem for so long, in response to all of the poets who climb on stage and insinuate that they are more comfortable with their blackness than I am because they wear their hair in a natural style.”

    I feel you on that! If you don’t fit in the box people are quick to pick you and put you another.

    Great peace by the way!

    -T

  9. Terell wrote:

    err .. can you some fix the misspelling for me? peace = piece

  10. Anonymous wrote:

    On the other hand, the kid is using the same violence that was used on him to get revenge. It is well known in psychology that the abused, if left untreated, will become the abuser.

    I feel that we all need some healing and anger is only one stage of that. We need to make sure there is progression out of anger on to challenging, and then to forgiveness. Maybe the poems were a piece of the stage of healing. I think a poem talking about white folks is not really the same abuse folks of color face from white folks. I would respect a white person more for sticking around and listening to what is on the minds of poets of color then fleeing the room and protecting there understanding of themselves and the world. White people can’t enter the conversation about their whiteness if they don’t know the implications of not being white.

  11. Y. Carrington wrote:

    Statements like “blue-eyed interlopers” notwithstanding, is it really a tragedy that Busboys and Poets is a place where white visitors feel uncomfortable? After all, this is a white supremacist society—at all levels, even the interpersonal. White people can walk into most public places in the United States and expect to be welcomed and accomodated, an experience that no person of color can claim. People of color are daily invisiblized, mocked, harassed, and assaulted by white folks, yet there shouldn’t be a space where POC can publicly voice these experiences without apology?

    No, all white people aren’t bad people, but whiteness is a system of power and social capital. All of us, including POC, have internalized white supremacy as normal. We see it as so normal that we can’t see the violence and harm of it. Verbal harassment is harm, poverty is harm, police brutality and harassment is harm, racist xenophobia is harm. If people of color rail against this harm in rude or intimidating ways, does this make them racist?

    The idea that people of color should hold their tongues because white people are in the room strikes me as stunningly hypocritical. From what Latoya has described, B&P sounds like POC space. If that is the case, then I have to concur with Latoya’s friend: “If they want to be here, they need to deal with it. I’m not apologizing.” In a world that’s hostile to our very existence, people of color need room just to breathe.

  12. Kim wrote:

    I’m not sure I agree. (Great piece by the way! Really enjoy your writing.) I do think it’s a shame that the white people don’t come back. They should. The point of spoken word and art in general is to challenge, to expose people to perspectives different from their own, to make people think. Why else would you consume art? Because it matches the sofa?? So yes, it’s hard to hear as a white person, but expanding your mind shouldn’t always be comfortable.

    As a (warning, lame term coming up) white, anti-racist activist I would say that each time a white person takes the next step in confronting the reality of racism and its effects (historical, structural, personal) it can be painful. Whether it’s learning about and coming to grips with white privilege for the first (or hundredth) time, or realizing and confronting your own assumptions constantly, it’s not easy, it’s not comfortable, sometimes it can break your heart, but it is necessary. I’m not sure that standing up there and speaking to someone else’s honest experience is the right thing. If however the intent is to acknowledge unearned privilege, declare oneself as an ally, and/or give people hope by letting them know that there are white people who are aware, who acknowledge all this, and who are fighting against it within themselves and others, then I can see something constructive and beneficial. If it’s just to stand up and say “Hey! Don’t paint me with the same brush,” well then I don’t think that’s valid or useful to anyone, and yes they’ll probably be run off the stage for a typical defensive reaction, and rightly so.

    It does hurt, as a white person, to be lumped together with racists just based on our skin colour, as POC have been lumped for various reasons throughout their lives with people who do not represent them. I do know however, that I do not have the right to expect be evaluated and judged as an individual by people of colour, as people of my colour have not given POC this privilege throughout history.

    Even the white people who don’t come back (though it’s a shame) have been given something to think about, and maybe it will give them a new perspective, whether it’s immediate, or whether it takes some time to be processed.

    Honest experiences should be expressed. The “consumer of art” can then do what they will with it.

  13. dcase wrote:

    I believe it is a shame and that white men and women are scared away from a venue like Busboys and Poets by angry poetry like that described in the article. Moreover, I’m tired of seeing all white men and women intimidated and beaten across the head with the stick of racism whenever they show their faces in a predominantly black crowd. Yes, there is nothing wrong with addressing race and it would probably be helpful but I think some of this stuff goes too far into being hurtful towards whites. Often, potential friends can be turned away by such talk because they think there is no hope for bridging gaps . The fact that they showed up to support the poets and spend their money in that venue should be appreciated.

  14. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Yes!

    This is the exactly the kind of conversation I hoped to spark with this post.

    [Before I start, just to give the post script - the white guy who came on stage was a Russian national. His joke went over really well, and he went on to recite a piece about a woman “with breasts like meteors.”]

    Brad -

    I appreciate your zeal on that one, but like I said, it is a very difficult situation to be in. Again, I am part of the open mic majority - many of the attendees are black. And I don’t feel comfortable doing my piece…so I can imagine what a white poet feels like.

    White poets have also graced the stage a few times. They just don’t talk about their whiteness in the same way we talk about our blackness.

    I also feel like there are many different ways to say things. I mean, a poet getting on stage and saying “Fuck you, I’m white, deal with it” would have a problem on their hands. Maybe a small riot, considering the atmosphere at Busboys…

    However, a white poet with a piece for example, about being aware of her whiteness, or a poet writing about trying to cope with a burden that was passed down to him would be excellent - and a perspective I would like to hear.

    Zig -

    Nice Upski reference, I completely agree.

    Kaywil -

    Great analogy. How are we going to work through this? You aren’t the only one torn.

    Johnston -

    Haven’t read the Isis Papers, I’m afraid. I’ll look into it though.

    Re: the natural hair debate - you probably get shouted down because you are equating chemical straightening with a lack of respect for the self. To embrace a natural, to relax your hair, to live life braided or to get a close crop - that all plays into who you are, what you want to look like professionally, your lifestyle, how you perceive feminimity…all complex topics to grapple.

    No one wants to hear their choices questioned by someone who hasn’t had to fight that fight, you know?

    You have a right to say what you want to say, but you may want to consider spinning it differently.

    Terell -

    Exactly.

    Stef -

    Thanks for the perspective. That night was kind of strange - normally you don’t get three in a row. Again, hoping that a white poet finds the words to articulate how they feel…

    Y. Carrington & Kim-

    That’s where this becomes a bit tricky. U Street is a historically black area in DC - it used to be called the Black Broadway, and there is a lot of history there. However, it fell into disarray.

    U street underwent revitalization/gentrification a few years ago (I’ll explain the revitalization/gentrification discussion in a later post) and is now “the New U” - so while it is still a black area, the high priced apartments, condos, and retail section attracted a different type of people to the area.

    Busboys and Poets is a spot for neo-bohemians…think revolutionaries with laptops, working a 9 - 5 until they can get their side gigs going. And the lounge, bar, and bookstore are mixed areas…all colors, all people. Anyone who is socially progressive is welcome to roll.

    The poetry nights though tend to have their own personality. While the open mic is predominantly black, the audience shifts and changes.

    U Street also changes. So while the Mocha Hut (another fave of mine) is fairly mixed, Cafe Nema is fairly POC, Cafe Saint Ex is pretty white, etc…

    I’m glad that the community is less segregated than it was, but there are some cultural clashes going on.

    That being said, Busboys is a nice place to breathe as a POC (and when I was on the market, it was the BEST place to scope conscious hotties). While the messages are kind of geared toward POCs, all the organizers I’ve spoken to want to encourage as much dialogue as possible - and build a community of poetry supporters.

    Excellent points both of you. To be honest with you I don’t know what to say. I wish I could pretend to be a great colorblind racial crusader, I can’t –

    See here: http://blogher.org/node/17615#comment

    I’m kaida_nijuni. (Now in my defense, this chick completely dismissed Carmen like she was a little kid and went on a crazy pro rice rant…but still, I went kind of hard on the targeted racial arguments. I was hoping she’d be shocked enough to realize what she did to Carmen, but she’s on that Uncle Ben’s…)

    So, I don’t know. Tons of gray area. I’ll try to keep reporting though…

  15. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Hmm, in light of dcase’s comment, I should also clarify -

    Busboys is a community spot. So if they host any kind of event, it’s going to be under $5 to get in.

    The poets aren’t paid, they make money by selling their chapbooks/cds/dvds/etc - so if white people don’t want to support a poet, they just don’t purchase their wares.

    And to be frank - and I think this might speak to Y. Carrington’s comment - Busboys could easily exist as a chill spot for only people of color. They (like the lounge next to them, Jin) get more than enough support. (Plus, Saint Ex is right down the street…)

    Spoken word is supposed to be angry, raw, and real - like one poet said “spilling words on the stage, spilling blood on my page.” So emotions are just out there.

    The intent of my piece wasn’t to be “oh, poor white people scared by angry blacks.”

    The intent was to explore the ideas in the spoken word scene, and how even in a space designed to encourage expression, some people still feel stifled.

  16. drydock wrote:

    “I would like to state for the record…that is NOT my penis on the capital.”

    Funny.

    I like Brad’s sentiment about white liberals, though I’m not willing to take a beating to make his particular point.

    Upski: a dilettante who thinks acting like an anti-social ding-a-ling is a way “to challenge whiteness” cuz after all that’s how black folks behave.

    Isis Papers: intellectual garbage that still seems to make some people’s reading lists.

  17. hoo_boy wrote:

    Yo Latoya,

    Like the read, but wonderin’ why you left out BIG details like:

    (a) the owner of B&P is Andy Shallal an Iraqi-American who’s got ties to so many progressive circles in and outside of DC it’ll make your head spin. His family owns Skewers and used to run the “old” meeting spot Food for Thought on CT Ave.

    (b) Many of the blacks performing plain suck

    (c) many of the non-black faces I saw hanging out there day/night/wknd actually *live* in the “new U” hood, so there’s a personal grudge from some of the black folks.

    (d) Chocolate City is still a Southern City. When you do your “gentry” post. remember to point out black folks trashed “Black Broadway” in the 60s and left it to rot for 20 years until entrepreneurs came in to give those of us who used to live there something else to look at. I liked my former white neighbors just fine– the interlopers and haters who rhyme and verse poorly be damned.

    And if that’s truly Whitey Washington’s Masonic penis, then all stereotypes be damend forever– another one bites the dust…

  18. kim wrote:

    Yeah…on the lame poetry comment up-thread. It sounds like most of what goes on in such a venue is by those taking a very public moment to spew forth their own undigested, first draft journal entries of the world and their place in it.

    Such is always in the mix when you have an open-door, pay-to-play format, and some of the poets will (eventually) grow, start to read, start to employ metaphor and nuance. Start to listen.

    As to the Whites needing to be comfortable enough to be up in the joint, and deal with it - I don’t think so. There is no point in sitting still while someone bashes in your head, and says that because your head was there they needed to do batting practice.

    Once, in a room filled with ‘underground’ poets, a fellow poet infused a poem full of his fantasy of the wrath of the Black man exacting his revenge on White people by raping their daughters and wives with penises and other objects, and I took a deep breath, turned my head left, then right, and watched as others silently gave him their rapt attention.

    The I went off.

    There is no difference between the vulnerability of the White woman and myself, no difference in how precious, or how innocent of being a combatant in a ‘war,’ as we traditionally visualize our soldiers and commanders to be male. What is done to her if more than fair game to be done to me, as strategy, as war game.

    Ran into the poet about five or so years later, and he apologized profusely for that evening, though he’d done so that night, though I’d told him all I needed to say, and held no lasting ill-will toward him.

    If the night is to be filled with art, and not artifice-activism, disguised in free-verse, written diagonally across sketch papers and notebooks, then those ‘poets’ will have to learn to reach deep and touch deep, in order to make such contact, lasting and transformative, with their audience.

  19. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    I’m white and I wouldn’t have left that event. It doesn’t hurt me to hear that white people think they’re God. I agree with that sentiment and have said so before.

    Feel free to keep saying it if someone like me is in the audience. I can dish it out and I can take it. We need more of this kind of honest dialog, not less.

  20. Brad wrote:

    Kim and Rob whether or not you want to be beaten over the head with constant accusations of racism or unearned privileges is your business, but that doesn’t mean I have to choke on it. I and others who were on the recieving end of anti-white racism, who were attacked because of their race shoudn’t have to put up with it, and have a right to disagree without reservation, when they feel they are being unfairly scapegoated.

  21. kim wrote:

    Brad, what did you read in my comment.

    Rob Schmidt: You agree that White people ARE God, or that they THINK they are? I’m guessing it’s the latter, as I believe I’ve read various comments here by you on various subjects. But, asking for clarification.

  22. mireille wrote:

    This reminds me of something that happened to me a year ago. It was near the end of my senior year in high school and a guest lecturer came into my advanced comp. class to read her work and field questions. She was a black poet of some note, though I forget for the life of me her name. She was a decent, though none of her work really spoke to me–but that’s beside the point. She talked about her experience with “channeling” black women of the past and researching the horrific atrocities of slavery and said something off-handed about it making her so angry at white people she just wanted to kill them, or something to that effect. I thought nothing of it however my very good friend became very offended. Her hand shot up and before the guest lecturer could responded she blurted out “can I channel dead black slave women too?” The lecturer blinked for a second and said “No…I don’t think it works that way.” She went on to explain that one can not try to “channel” things, but rather that inspiration just comes through you. My friend seemed more offended.

    The next day she handed me a poem about a group of “brutish” slaves escaping from a plantation and murdering a innocent white farmer, his wife and their new born child to edit.

    My friend isn’t a white person, she’s from Burma…But she has always taken such great pains to say such utterly contemptuous things about blacks, arabs, and make jokes about me being mixed.

    I suppose I am simply trying to give an example where racial poetic hostility wasn’t just a matter of black and white. Racial and ethnic tension will continue to flare up so long as people continue to identify themselves first and foremost as a member of a certain tribe and not simply as human beings or, conversely, leave their heritage (or that heritage which is prescribed to them that they may or may not fully identify with personally) unresolved within themselves. Is afrocentrism or asiacentrism any better than eurocentrism? Of course not. The enfranchised majority needs to address the injustice that to this day still benefits them, but the disenfranchised minority should also work on forgivingness. Hate does no one any good and usually makes for terrible art.

    I might grab a fist full of poems next week and head out to U-street via metro. Out here in the ‘burbs, I often forget there are venues where people can commune artistically. Such a wonderful post, I really appropriate this discussion.

  23. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Hooboy -

    Drydock - I suppose Upski could be considered a dilettante, but I still highly enjoy Bomb the Suburbs and No More Prisons.

    Hooboy -

    Funny point about the penis, right? There was another feminist poet who was on stage one night and talked about how every major city has a phallic looking spire in it - a global penis contest.

    a. I only recently got into the busboys/ U Street scene, so I am more familiar with the poets who are there and not Andy Shallal. All I know about him is that he’s the owner, and he may open up a Busboys in VA.

    b. True - there wasn’t enough room in the piece for that. Some poets are brilliant, some poets, suck…and some poets “blame the white man” because they don’t have anything worthwhile to say.

    c. I wish I could afford to live in the new U.

    d. I’ll look into that. Just like the H street section that I blogged about a bit over on waxpolitical (waxpolitical.blogspot.com) there are conflicting reports as to why an area becomes run down.

    Kim -

    Excellent post. Luckily, many poets DO evolve, particularly with repeated exposure to criticism about their work.

    Mireille -

    I’ll have to give your Eurocentrism/Afrocentrism/Asiancentrism comment some thought. I am not sure how to answer it yet.

    Do come to Busboys, it tends to be a good place to be, even you just hang out in the bookstore and look at all the selections.

  24. Brad wrote:

    Kim I believe you were the 18th post, Iwas actually directing my comment towards the Kim in the the 12th post

    My Fault

  25. FEB wrote:

    How interesting…
    I’m still trying to decide if this blog is just about talent-less minority poets who express anger towards whites, or if this is really about white folks being shocked at learning the extend of anger felt in black civil society.

    As an Asian, I have to deal with messages of fear, anger, and hatred directed towards us from the media and other venues in American popular culture.

    These negative messages are mostly subtle but sometimes explicit; mostly uttered by whites, scarcely by blacks and Latinos; mostly by high profile figures like Lou Dobbs, rarely by second-rate wannabe poets.

    Perhaps the white folks who walked out might contemplate on this, and know that what they got is just a sample of what POC are exposed to on a constant round.

  26. kim wrote:

    Latoya,

    Were you able to check out ‘Confessions of a Baby Diva”?

    If I get out that way this summer, I’ll be looking for a chance to catch it, somewhere between Boston and D.C.
    ***

    Side note: You bring a new breath to the forum, as Carmen knew you would.

  27. belledame222 wrote:

    >It just always reminds me of an abused child who grew up and kicked his step-father’s ass. On one hand, you cheer the kid that is finally standing up to his oppressor. On the other hand, the kid is using the same violence that was used on him to get revenge. It is well known in psychology that the abused, if left untreated, will become the abuser.>

    Thanks–i’ve been uncomfortable wrt similar dynamics in some feminist circles.

    i don’t really know what the answer is. i’m not cool with telling abused/angry people to not be so angry, say; and the response from white/male liberals is all too often–well, you see it all over the damn place, and frankly for far less: exaggerated “anti-p.c.”, over the top assholery mixed with whining, lather, rinse, repeat. on the other hand–

    well, there was at least one occasion where i bowed out of a discussion (my part really didn’t go on very long at all) and vented something snarky on my blog, to the effect of, you know, i may be “selfish” (that was one of the accusations, albeit in a racialized context), but you’re a big ol’ asshole. so: yeah, selfishly, i don’t feel like being vented on: buh bye. and it really was a vent, i thought. at one point he was all, “why must i constantly tell you…” and i was all–i didn’t say it there, but thought: “‘constantly?’ dude, have we met?” (we really hadn’t). and then, lightbulb: ohhh, okay, I’m Every White Person right now, gotcha. well–whatever. just: dude, i’m really honestly not that invested in whatever it was you’re on about–white people wearing dreads, i think, very fiery about the appropriation, okay (i think i’d made a mild objection to his using the word “rape,” which was what set off the CANNOT you READ? thing. something), mazel tov, nice knowing you, thank yer ma for the chicken soup, I’m out.

    but you know. it didn’t even mean that i wasn’t interested in the subject, or was going to wilt like a hothouse flower next time someone else wanted to bring it or any other uncomfortable subject up–at least, i like to think i haven’t. just mostly: dude, you’re being a real dick, and i don’t feel like being on the other end of it right now. so, i won’t.

  28. belledame222 wrote:

    >Funny point about the penis, right? There was another feminist poet who was on stage one night and talked about how every major city has a phallic looking spire in it - a global penis contest.>

    oh, yeah. well, yeah. i mean: it’s not really news, that.

    i think one of the last straws for me wrt the womens’ theatre collective i belonged to was when one of the veteran members got up and started talking about this in the context of 9/11 (we were in NYC, it hadn’t been that long ago), and how the silver lining might be it might represent the first crumblings of the Great Phallus…

    well, that, but okay mostly that she was using vulva handpuppets to dialogue all this out. with names and squeaky voices.

    yeah. i’m a bit cynical about stand-up in general these days…

  29. belledame222 wrote:

    anyway–i certainly think it’s anyone’s prerogative to walk out of a performance for whatever reason. at least i’m guessing none of the uncomfortable white audience members experienced anything on the level of y’know Michael Richards’ little outburst. and from what i understand that shit, or at least shit only marginally less offensive than that outburst, is pretty damn common on the (white, male dominated) comedy circuit.

    the question i’ve always had is why women and POC would go to say an Andrew Dice Clay (yeah, i’m dating myself, but you know what i mean, fill in your “shock jock” type celebrity of choice) concert? and yet, they did. stayed and laughed, too, go know…

  30. bdsista wrote:

    First of all read the Isis Papers by Francis Cress Welsing, two leave my damn hair alone! I said on another blog that when women get over hair the revolution can begin. I relax, color, weave, wig, ponytail the hell out of my hair. An if I want to look like African Queen Barbie or Miss Black America Barbie or whatever, I will. This bull about hair and consciousness has been going on since the 70s, I was accused of it in the 80s and I was working for Dr. MLK’s civil rights organization SCLC. So while I’m risking jail while protesting, my blackness is suspect cuz I got a perm! All ya’ll who feel that locks, dreds and fros give you some kind of market on Black thought, need to get a grip. Its what inside my head that’s important, not what the hell it looks like. Now shut up and leave me alone, before I get my green contacts and put my church lady hat on. In fact, look for my “counterrevvloutionary” ass at the mike one night, haven’t read my poetry in years, but maybe its time to make an appearance.
    Oh and for the record, I am an attorney and a bellydancer, hence my choice of hairstyles. Oh and yeah my men like it like that too and I can’t argue with the fringe benefits of playing Black Barbarella sometimes.

  31. Ananse wrote:

    FEB: whether by function of generation or geography; enlightenment, filters, or silence, consider yourself fortunate to be spared the sentiments directed at other races I’ve heard from some African Americans in such contexts pasts. It’s too easy and selfish to make it a “black-white” issue only.

    As a former longtime non-native DC resident, I echo Andy Shallal’s commitment to the community, progressive causes, and free expression, given his own background. You’ll easily spot him at B&P many days, and you can easily pull him aside for feedback. He is keen to make sure the spot breeds inclusion not division.

    [Note to Latoya and DC area Racialicious readers: you’d do yourself well to spend hang time with him if possible. He’d also make a great future ATR guest]

    Also brought to mind: very rarely did I see non-white *or* younger faces as participants or listeners at Washington Storytellers’ monthly readings. Last I heard, this “alt” open-mic crowd was meeting at HR-57, DC’s blues spot just down the street from B&P near Logan Circle. Each gathering has a theme, so writing, speaking, creativity, expression, experience, and community are the deal. Just saying there’s more than what passes for ad-hominem free-verse.

    Another point: for the twenty years I called DC home, much of the racial beef conveyed in the arts scene (albeit more creatively by some) masked or emphasized three things:

    (1) It’s still a very small Southern town, with all the baggage attached, but with rich black and white cultural and historical legacies that stretch all the way back to its actual origins

    (2) it’s an international city with more cutural stuff per square inch than folks often appreciated or knew what to do with, especially with all the embassies and museums

    (3) it’s a federal village with a concentration of disparities and lack of control over all but the most basic of operations, surrounded by an extensive metropolitan area full of contrasts in class, ethnicity, resources, and geography.

  32. Tsuba007 wrote:

    In some ways, I agree that those open mic sessions can be a bit much, but part of me feels that they are necessary. As a minority myself (Asian-American), I observe that there is still a lot of racism from whites out there. Of course, not every white person is racist, but there is a large faction (especially those in the middle-class), that complain, saying, “Oh, blacks can get away with anything thing they want, they don’t have to work hard, blah, blah…,” yet, “whites are vilified for saying things not even ‘remotely racist,’ and all this is reverse-racism, blah, blah…” I run into plenty of these people in the business world and they expect me to be in agreement with them. When they find out I’m not, they are in complete shock. I am not saying non-whites can’t be racist, but racism from whites is rightfully treated with more scorn, especially with the history of this country in mind. Whites say it’s a double standard, I say open up your History 101 book. I agree that it’s not fair, but I think it’s not fair when I’m walking the streets of downtown Boston and people call me “Yao” or tell me “to go back to fuckin’ China” (I’m Japanese-Filipino from the Bay). I think a lot of whites fail to realize that they benefit from the privilege of being white not only, in the good ol’ US of A, but all over the world. In turn, they feel unjustifiably angry at any perceived slights. For example, I ran into a white dude who suggested that there should be affirmative action in major college sports like basketball and football to fairly represent the student body population. Keep in mind that I live in the Bay Area. So, I guess the point of my ramblings is that I think places like Busboys & Poets are necessary to counteract everything the racism that people of color are faced with everyday. As the saying goes, “if you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

  33. gatamala wrote:

    (1) It’s still a very small Southern town, with all the baggage attached, but with rich black and white cultural and historical legacies that stretch all the way back to its actual origins

    (2) it’s an international city with more cutural stuff per square inch than folks often appreciated or knew what to do with, especially with all the embassies and museums

    (3) it’s a federal village with a concentration of disparities and lack of control over all but the most basic of operations, surrounded by an extensive metropolitan area full of contrasts in class, ethnicity, resources, and geography.

    THANKS!!!!

    I live a few blocks nw of B&P & popped in on a Sat (nobody at the mic). I was turned off by the “iMac as a date” crew, but will go back to check it out. I’ve been exposed (subjected) to bad poetry slams before (the worst are usually about the Man or relaxers). However, I think that what’s going on at B&P reflects the tension in the community at large (see comment #17 c & d).

  34. Eun-jung wrote:

    Sorry for the late reply on this great post — been out of the blogging game the entire weekend!

    Ahh, Busboys and Poets…I remember when I first went there to one of their events and was so excited to see a venue in DC that I could go, throw back a drink or two, and sit and write in my journal and just be around - well, intelligent people.

    Sadly, this post isn’t the first time I have heard the poetic slashings of race or prejudice (towards whites, or others) occurring there (or any open mic night at any said coffee house for that matter).

    This post particularly hits me at a very deep and personal place. For one, I am a writer, and a poet. For me, poetry has been the means for me expressing myself for several years, and although the past three years have found me at the mercy of a deafening Writer’s Block, I am still a diligent daily journal writer. On another note, I am Korean American and adopted by…white people.

    As a kid, growing up in the ‘burbs of Towson, and attending the one magnet high school in the area with a Literary Arts program, I had a lot of great writing influence that surrounded me during the critical years that I needed to develop my writing skills.

    But when it came time to shout out about loving the skin that I was in…I was the lone ranger. My parents were white, the majority of the kids at my high school were Jewish or Black and I made up an Asian population of about 6 in the entire high school from grades 9-12 (with 4 out of those 6 being not so attuned to their ethnic identities as I was at the time).

    Once I found my writer’s roots, and started shouting about being a Yell-Oh girl! (shout-out to Vickie Nam) and the girl who “spoke gibberish” to most Americans… and the girl who was proud of being an egg sometimes (white on the outside, yellow on the inside, a reference to me being adopted and raised in a white environment) …there was no one to listen. At the coffeehouses at school, I was encouraged, and cheered on - but in the classroom, I was jeered, and spit upon, and talked about behind my back.

    I remember my tenth grade year, a fellow writing classmate (who was Jewish) came up to me and said “your people no nothing of pain, they never went through the Holocaust…all your people have are rice paper and chopsticks”

    It devastated me. But rather than force me back into the darkness of the beat poet tables with the weird hippie teachers and the bongo drum carrying students, I kept writing. And every coffeehouse, I stood up and read.

    A few years later, a close friend got me to go to X and O’s…another coffeehouse with an open mic on Mondays here in B-more. I went, begrudgingly almost, because at the time, I was going through my “I-hate-being-a-writer” phase.

    As I walked in, I heard about love, pain, a mother’s loss…and then… racism. A guy stood up to the mic and started spittin’ rhymes about his people starvin’ in the projects and his people killin’ each other in the streets and the white people bringing them DOWN.

    Personally, I was kind of hurt. Hurt because as a writer, yes, I have had pain, and I have faced racism. I have faced racism from my brother, my mother, my father, my friends, my acquaintences, coworkers, people on the street, guys in bars, girls who see me with their guys in bars…but even when I write about it, seldom do I use the same wretched hatred that they use against me.

    I might agree with the idea that “the white people think they are God” but why should the forefathers’ monument suffer for it?

    I might think that my parents’ are closet racists, but why should I make my best friends (a Russian, and a white boy, both categorized as “white” from a distance) suffer for it?

    I think that we as writers have a responsibility to allow the freedom of speech not to diminish from this country. But if we are to use it to make others feel inferior - by any means (imagine me going in and saying “All crippled people need to be sent to gas chambers because they are BRINGING THE PERFECT PEOPLE DOWN!”? by the way, I have mild cerebral palsy.) then it’s just as bad as anything else. Just as bad as Imus. Just as bad as any racist piece of junk that decides its okay to open their mouths.

    Psh, maybe this is all just Monday gibberish in the end.

    BTW, LaToya, another great post girl. Maybe I have seen you at Busboys and Poets. :-)

  35. Sewere wrote:

    Not to take this off topic, but I wonder how white folks who attend places like Busboys would react to lyrics by people like Dead Prez… Especially because of the revolutionary anti-white supremacy lyrics? Because it seems the only white kids I’ve seen listening to the music attending the concerts (the majority of which were white) were bobbing their heads to the music while ignoring the message.

  36. Colin wrote:

    Sewere,

    What’s worse, though is when people learn the lyrics and yell them out at race-themed parties or while acting out some black caricature. It’s as though someone would spout off some Immortal Technique and yet support the War in Iraq. Sure, it’s ironic, but it’s even more ignorant, doncha think?

  37. crista wrote:

    i read racialicious reguarly but have never posted. but….this post really hit me at a deep level, and really hit some emotional walls. many excellent things and thoughts swirling around in my head, so i wanna join the discussion. ….apologize as this is fast written

    i’m white. but beneath that surface lies alot more experiance, contemplation, questioning about my own race, this history, my place in the dialouge etc. than anyone could ever expect. After living out of U.S. were i was finally for the first time in my life a minority and my white privalege was stripped away..when i came back to the U.S. however, it was so hard to enter and be part of the race dialouge, and openly talking about my own experiances, especially when i responded emotionally. it was like before i even opened my mouth my opinion was cancelled out because of my skin color..or an assumption that my emotional response less valid than those of others who have a HISTORY behind them that i did not. often turning what i want to be a frank and emotional discussion of race and place into a credibility issue. my experiances of racism, segregation, bigotry, etc. were only there to be discredited. well that wasn’t in america..so that doesn’t count..or…your white privalege still expands across the globe…i know all of that is true. but how will i make myself more educated if its all about who had it worse? it makes me hesistant to even voice my opinion and draw out my emotional response just to have it discredited and invalidated.

    race hurts. alot. (something many of you have known sense you were born, or since around 1st grade when everyone starting pointing it out..)

    i am fighting a battle with my own racism, and i feel to win it i need to be part of both sides of the discussion 1. to talk about my own history of privalege and 2. also my own experiance as ”other”

    when one or both or all of them get cut down it makes me want to just fade into the background rather than bareing emotions to have them shot down. i guess i can be just another guilty white kid that shrinks into the background and says nothing..or sometimes it feels so good just to let myself ignore race (sorry for those of you who never get this joyouse experiance)
    just to become what everyone expects of me anyway….

    “”"”white kids I’ve seen listening to the music attending the concerts (the majority of which were white) were bobbing their heads to the music while ignoring the message.”"

  38. Sewere wrote:

    Crista said,

    i am fighting a battle with my own racism, and i feel to win it i need to be part of both sides of the discussion 1. to talk about my own history of privalege and 2. also my own experiance as ”other”

    when one or both or all of them get cut down it makes me want to just fade into the background rather than bareing emotions to have them shot down.

    Did it occur to you that part of understanding your priviledge and your experiences as the other requires being shot down? Perhaps in your mind the discussions you’re involved in is introspective but to others it shows that you’re almost equating your experiences as the “other” with people of color multiple experience with living everyday as the “Other”. The reason I said this is because you said this earlier in your comment.

    but how will i make myself more educated if its all about who had it worse?

    Furthermore your comments here,

    i guess i can be just another guilty white kid that shrinks into the background and says nothing..or sometimes it feels so good just to let myself ignore race (sorry for those of you who never get this joyouse experiance) just to become what everyone expects of me anyway.

    As Zig noted , this statement indicates that your participation in anti-racism is as a favor to people of color. Even when you interject with an apology to people who experience prejudice on a daily basis, it still smacks of arrogance of being able to step outside of such interactions. I mean, do you really think it’s all fun and games for people of color engaged in anti-racism as if we don’t get challenged and often attacked by whites as well as other people of color?

    I honestly hope you continue to engage in these difficult discussions because they are a necessary part of white anti-racism activism (Sidenote: I’ve had to do something similar as a male ally to feminism). However, do not expect people of color to feel sorry for your struggles and thus be willing to coddle you through the process.

  39. laurynx wrote:

    For those people who think that POC speaking their feelings at these open-mic nights are deterring race relations progress (see: the myth of reverse racism), in what manner do you suppose they should speak when it comes to race? Sing Kum By Yah and hope for the best because some white club goers will be offended otherwise? To me the club sounds like a POC space to vent frustrations, and white people just so happen to be there. It’s amazing to me because whites have the luxury of being bashed with the legacy of white supremacy only in certain places.

    Y. Carrington:
    POC are bashed with white supremacy 24/7, not just in certain crowds. There is no down time. If I complained about white racist ignorance to the greater Western world “non but Yaweh would hear me.” Forgive me if I’m not sympathetic.

    Kaywil:
    As for the above, using pathology to justify why POC are venting is simulaneously obvious and insulting. It’s like the old school sociological perspective that stated that people who protest against oppression are only doing so because they are mentally unstable or deranged. …Not because they are clearly sane and have a legitimate grievance.
    POC are now abusers of white people for writing poems of legit greviances in a cafe? White supremacy permeating all aspects of society is abuse. As long as this institution reigns it is well nigh impossible to say that “reverse racism” has occured. To be racist takes institutional power that POC do not have.

    The only way to have true dialogue is to have white poets get on stage and reply to the poems done by POC. Make it honest and questioning. POC artists also need to realize that ONLY railing on and on in lyrics doesn’t do anything. It takes communication with the willing listeners white and POCs to make any headway.

  40. crista wrote:

    thanks for the comment Sewere.

    this is what i want. discussion and this type of challenging comments to make me think about my own experiance, and make me think about my own motivations and feelings behind things.
    i’m not looking for coddling. or comments that dont sting or hurt. (we need that to grow)

    but i dont know..i’m typing this out quickly without thinking (maybe the best part so my instinctual reaction gets hit)

    you said my ability to step outside “smacks of arrogance” it is. but its not an arrogance i asked for you know? …its built into the structure. into the system. its my privaledge, and my uneared and unfair postition. its so easy to just let that take me over…and be what i’m expected. get my free ride and get on with it.pretending race doesn’t exist in my nice white comfort world….i guess i’m just responding to give and emotional perspective on why as the author said…

    “”white poets don’t want to write about their whiteness, or can’t find the words express their truth without putting a very intimate part of the self up for public comment.”

  41. Weston wrote:

    I was there that night actually. That poet, I know him well. However the line he kept reapeating was “The White Man Got a God Complex” which isn’t even his poem. Its actually a piece from the Last Poets. He performes that piece occasionally and though I don’t have a major problem with it, I do have a problem with the fact that he never acknowledges the Last Poets for the poem. By not crediting them or at the least not even saying that the poem isn’t even his is what upsets me. He’s performed a few of their poems at that open mic set and again never acknowledges the authors of the poem. I ‘ve frequented many open mics and my ears have built up an immunity to those “rail against the white man poems” and the poems that use the recycled elements from The Isis Papers ( which I’ve read) and other particular books from the angry black poet reading list. My biggest problem lies in the fact that the cleverness and suttle jabs of say a Baraka ( yes he can be suttle) or Ishmael Reed is missing in the scene. It also shows, sadly that folks listen to poetry but don’t read it enough to know when poets are plagarizing whole texts. The Bar Nun open mic of the early 90’s was far more hostile to folks who weren’t well read, and tried to pass of other work as they’re own. I would suggest to the folks who were uncomfortable to explore why they felt as such and then possibly, with some courage, write an response poem. Maybe to be read at the open mic, or not.

  42. AK wrote:

    I’m a white performance poet from NYC, I just wandered across this blog/post, and I just want to say this is the highest level of discussion I’ve ever seen anywhere in regard to this issue.

    Here’s a relevant story: An Asian-American friend & I went to a new poetry night at a club I frequent. The mc kept stressing it was for “successful black people talking to other successful black people,” which was news to me, since all the other cabaret nights at that club are hugely diverse ethnically. My friend felt uncomfortable and left out, so we left. I wasn’t ‘offended,’ per se, in that I didn’t have a big problem with not being part of the group the MC intended his show for, I’d just have liked a bit of forewarning so I didn’t hike over to the club just to have to leave again.

    But I think this is important: I didn’t *learn* anything from the mc’s remark or attitude. In fact, I thought he was a smug moron (a familiar type on any poetry scene). By the same token, many poets at open mics (black, white or other) express hostility without saying anything particularly illuminating. So why would an audience member who was feeling abused stay?

    Poetry isn’t polemics, and no one goes to entertainment to have hostility directed towards them. Hostility ON IT’S OWN doesn’t teach you anything, and we’ve all heard a lot of poorly educated poets rant on about their various takes on social justice. Def Poetry Jam — to take the most publicized spoken word in the U.S. — does nothing, to my mind, but preach to the converted — and badly. The poems I’ve seen on it aren’t nuanced; their poems are one-note, and they don’t really engage with the complexity of the issues they purport to discuss. Poetry is an art form, and a lot of the time, political rants don’t engage with that.

    It sounds like these white girls felt or heard hostility coming towards them, or directed at them, from strangers — and strangers with the mic AND the stage AND, apparently, the support of the crowd — so they left. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. It doesn’t ‘open your mind’ or ‘expand your mind’ just to encounter a barrage of anger towards your race or ethnicity, and most poets lack the craft or maybe even the maturity to create something that can open the minds of those they are berating.

    Kudos to you all for keeping the level of debate so high — that’s something the net could use more of!

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