Rise of the Culture Vultures

by Racialicious special correspondent Latoya Peterson

“Toya is more Asian than Asian people!”

My Chinese-Canadian coworker laughs. I, on the other hand, am chastened. I quickly make an excuse, and withdraw from the conversation.

Now, to some people in my circle, my coworker’s off-the-cuff accolade would have been something to be proud of. Otaku (or anime/manga fans to the uninitiated) live for compliments like those. We pepper our speech with common Japanese phrases, bend our minds around the playing of Go, memorize major Japanese holidays and customs, and refer to each other using the proper honorifics.

However, to me, the mad lust for some Otaku to approximate Japanese culture seems like just another way to fetishize another culture. My friends who have been into anime and manga longer than I have regale me with tales of Asian fetishes and white people who claim to be “eggs” - white on the outside, but yellow on the inside. My friend Hae, who is Korean, is viewed with abject lust by the younger boys at the ‘Con. She remembers the early 90s, before anime became mainstream, and she was followed around by freaky boys who wanted to take her picture or stroke her hair. (And for those in the know, Hae is not a cosplayer. She was simply an Asian girl walking in a land of Asiaphillia.)

That being the case, I have watched the evolution of Gwen Stefani with quite a bit of interest. As a teen rebelling from a hip-hop saturated reality, I was ushered into the world of alternative rock by No Doubt’s “Tragic Kingdom.” The pink haired, bindi sporting rock siren embodied a complete and total escape from bland suburban girlhood and her fashion sense was an interesting mix of Jamaican, Southeast Asian, and So-Cal culture. A decade passes and Gwen reinvents herself again, cavorting around in Alice and Wonderland get-ups and cooing about Harajuku style on multiple tracks. Completely co-opting Harajuku fashion, Gwen remade herself as the Great Gaijin Guru – importing Asian fashion and style, manifested in the pimping of the four Japanese girls who tour with her as a flesh and blood underscore to her credibility.

At first, the shout-out to Japanese style was cool - finally, we little Otaku had a voice. Fruits style was suddenly cool in America. And while I was underwhelmed at her fashion choices - as an onee-kei girl to the core, Harajuku fashion just wasn’t my thing - overall, I was pleased that someone so prominent on the world’s stage gave props to yet another cool aspect of our increasingly global culture.

However, after reading her interview in Bust Magazine’s “Love Issue” - which included yet another rehash of “Margaret Cho needs to stop talking shit and do the research!” - I started to wonder: how many of us anime-loving Otaku are actually appropriating Asian culture? We greedily accost people from Japan, asking to practice our elementary Japanese, eat sushi, ramen, and Pocky by the pound and consume everything we can find about Japanese culture. Are we “respecting the culture” as Gwen asserts, or are we trying to force our beliefs about Japanese culture onto Japanese reality?

After my coworker’s comment, I decided to do a bit of self-examination. Was I coming off as someone trying to assimilate? Were people looking at me like I was a moonpie (brown on the outside/yellow on the inside)? I do spend a lot of time at the Japanese Cultural Center.

I thought about the $3,000 worth of manga on my bookshelves, the RPGs in my entertainment center, the Japanese language and phrasebooks that are all over my apartment stacked on top of Haruki Murakami and Natsuo Kirino novels. I thought about the J-dramas and manga that are sitting on my hard drives and on burned DVRs. Then, I started to ponder the large movie poster for the Chinese film “Three Times” that decorates one wall, and the giant painting of a guy with an afro that a friend gave me as a housewarming gift. I thought about all the K-dramas I also watch, and the manhwa I started to collect. I thought about the Japan Echo, and learning about the political climate of Japan.

And it was then, that it struck me - maybe the desire to learn is what separates someone who fetishizes a culture from those who merely wish to appreciate it. As I get deeper into anime and Japanese culture, I learned what causes some of the issues I see. I read about the rampant sexism in Japan, and their colonization of other Asian nations, which explained some of the more unkind images of Chinese and Koreans in manga illustrations. I learned that a social trend I thought was cool — the ability to pick up a part-time job for a day and be paid in cash as a student — was in some ways an outgrowth of Freeter culture which is becoming a bit of a trap for youth in Japan. The anime glitter was knocked out of my eyes, and I started to understand that Japan was… just Japan. Another country, with its own struggles and issues and cool parts of its society — not perfect, not horrific, just Japan.

From that perspective, Gwen Stefani is the one who needs to check her facts. I appreciate what she is trying to do, but forcing an iron-clad wardrobe/style/set of actions on the Harakjuku Girls (or Gwenihana 4, whatever you prefer) is fetishization. After all, Harajuku style is first and foremost about the ability to change. If you take that away from the girls who are performing, are you really staying true to the ‘juku?

Respect for a culture first stems from understanding the basics.

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Comments

  1. Momo wrote:

    I have been in love with aspects of the Japanese culture for about 15 years….I grew up in Japan and Hawaii and I loved it sooooo much ( I even speak Japanese), but as an African American female…I have been misunderstood ever since I relocated to NC. People were always saying I wasn’t black enough blah blah blah I’m fake blah blah blah….but they failed to understand that was my enviroment for most of my life…I’m just being me… I love Japanese culture but I love my black culture too I know more about black history than most of the people that claim I’m not black enough ….sighhh…its a struggle but you know what? I wont change for anyone I’m proud of who I am. I really enjoyed reading this post it brought back some memories for me. Oh ya I was also happy when Gwen started singing about the Harajuku style but I must say its getting old now lol did anyone see the parody that MAD TV did on Gwen it was soooo funny!!!

  2. atlasien wrote:

    I like how this post steers the complicated path between “it’s all cultural appropriation” versus “American culture has been exported internationally, why not Asian cultures”.

    I think Japanese (nationals) don’t really care that much how Americans adopt their pop culture, or mind if it gets appropriated… although occasionally they’ll feel a bemused pride. Do Americans care when people in China eat Kentucky Fried Chicken, watch Starsky and Hutch or read Raymond Chandler?

    Ultimately, as an Asian-American, I really don’t care about the motivations of these people. I just hate it when Asiaphiles use their special knowledge of Asian cultures to make Asian-Americans feel like dirt, as so frequently happens. I can’t even count the number of times people have told me “it’s too bad you don’t know your own language”. As if they ever felt any obligation to learn German or Irish or whatever their ancestral language was. Asiaphilia takes a perfectly innocent interest in a foreign culture, wraps it up in privilege and entitlement and twists it into cultural appropriation and sexual predation.

    And honestly, because of bad experiences in my past, I assume that any non-Asian with a serious interest in Asian culture is a complete asshole… until proven otherwise. It’s not too difficult for me to see the proof, but that’s the assumption I start off with.

    One absolutely key proof I look for… does the person think they’re entitled to benefit from all the good parts of the culture without suffering through any of the bad?

  3. Kai wrote:

    Excellent post, Latoya. I agree with your conclusion that there’s a fundamental distinction to be made between enthusiastically learning about a culture in a spirit of respect and humility, and fetishizing a culture (i.e. Orientalism) via an entitled grabbing of cultural artifacts and dehumanizing projections of our own imaginations.

    I also think it’s important to discuss concrete power relations when we talk about cultural appropriation: between Westerners and Asians (or any two groups grappling with this issue), what’s the power dynamic? Which side of the equation actually holds the power to make the rules for inter-cultural exchange? And who benefits? To me these are key questions because you can’t remove inter-cultural exchange from the context of the world’s asymmetry in power and history of imperialist exploitation.

    Incidentally I just posted an extensive analysis, by a Western scholar in Hong Kong, on appropriation of Asian culture as seen in martial arts movies. Okay it’s admittedly extremely long and academic but I think it hits many crucial points.

    Cheers.

  4. Brad wrote:

    Being a white-guy with an asian-girl I can’t tell you many times I have people accuse me of being an asiaphile or ask me how’s the sex?

    On the latter part question I have been so tempted to say something so off the wall as to shock the offending person into to leaving me the hell alone, but out of respect for my GF I elected not to take such a course.

    On a side note I have been conflicted as to how much I should learn about vietnamese culture.

  5. fgs_sfdg wrote:

    “On a side note I have been conflicted as to how much I should learn about vietnamese culture.”

    I think you should learn some, but not all. Not too little either.

  6. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Great posts, all.

    There is certainly a lot to think about.

    Momo-chan: I feel you on being black and facing issues from the black community about being into something that is so different. I live in a large city, so it’s becoming more and more normalized here, but it is a strange thing to try to explain. And, like you, no one can see that my mother’s house is like an Afro-centric art gallery. And I think the “Aren’t Asians Great” skit totally summed it up.

    Atlasian -

    “Asiaphilia takes a perfectly innocent interest in a foreign culture, wraps it up in privilege and entitlement and twists it into cultural appropriation and sexual predation.”

    Excellent way to phrase it. It is difficult for people who fall in love with a “culture” to keep things in perspective. I have also seen asiaphilles who take their limited experience and try to force it to fit the entire culture, not realizing that there is a big difference between one asian experience, and the entire asian experience.

    Hopefully, you don’t think I’m an asshole. :-)

    Your key proof is excellent as well - half the battle though is understanding that there IS a downside, to every culture. I was into anime and manga for the last few years, but it wasn’t until 2006 I started learning about the history and politics of Japan…and understanding how that influences what we see in anime and manga. It is such a small view of such a large culture.

    Kai -

    Thanks for the article tip. I am looking forward to reading it (and I bet it isn’t any drier than the scholarly work I read on Japanese language semantics and ko-gal culture.)

    Power dynamics is a provocative concept, and I’m still trying to wrap my mind around it. To be discussed in another post, maybe?

    Brad -

    I understand you on (some) of the issues you feel. Dating interracially makes a statement - unfortunately, you have no control over what that statement is. Cheers to you for not feeding anyone’s idiotic ideas.

    In terms of how much you should learn, I think you should take the opportunity to learn as much as you can. If she feels comfortable, let your girlfriend guide you in your learning. I think the key is not to lose sight of who YOU are. As I learned from my penpals in Japan, a good relationship is based on a cultural exchange. Good luck in your relationship!

  7. susanc wrote:

    My mother, who is a Japanese national, has a lot of national pride and her attitude towards interest in Japanese culture is usually “of course they’d be interested in _______, because everything Japanese is better!” But she doesn’t really understand the otaku thing…in fact, she had never heard the term “otaku” until we came to the states. She had to ask my brother and I to explain it to her!

    I don’t automatically assume that non-Asians who are interested in Asian culture are asiaphile/fetishists, but I have come across a few who turn out to be just that. And I must say that there’s nothing more annoying than a non-Asian who feels the need to school me on Asian culture, because “I need to know where I come from” or that “I should know my own language.” God forbid I say something non-Asian like “ya’ll” or “howdy” (I grew up in Texas; some of us actually do talk like that) in front of one of those types. Yikes, how blasphemous of me!

    I once had a co-worker start lecturing me on the history of karate when he learned that I was of Japanese descent and thought this was some important piece of history that he felt I should know. Since it was at work I had to play nice, but he didn’t seem to notice my glassy-eyed look, which is an indicator that while I’m still there physically, mentally I’ve gone off to my happy place.

  8. Eun-jung wrote:

    Awesome post, LaToya. Again, I love your writing and it brings me back to this blog day after day to keep checking.

    In response, I have to completely agree with Altasian’s sum of Asiaphiles. It is true that they seem to use their knowledge of what they think is the culture and hold it against Asian Americans. Personally, I am an adopted Asian-American and I cannot tell you how many times I have been given the same reaction when told that I only know a little Korean. “Gee, it’s too bad you can’t speak your language fluently”

    Thank you for making me feel even more like crap. Awesome.

    In the beginning of the Gwen Stefani-craze I was excited to see her use her pop culture status to bring light to a whole new culture (Japanese, Harajuku, etc.) into mainstream America. I was happy to finally see ASIAN girls in music videos - ones that were fully dressed and something to be proud of (not just that one hapa girl (half-Asian) that is bouncing her ass and boobies on the latest rap video). Yet there was something about the way she referenced the four girls — particularly in the song “Rich Girls” that made my stomach turn.

    I think it went something like:
    “No man could test me, impress me, my cash flow would never ever end
    Cause I’d have all the money in the world, if I was a wealthy girl
    I’d get me four Harajuku girls to
    Inspire me and they’d come to my rescue
    I’d dress them wicked, I’d give them names
    Love, Angel, Music, Baby
    Hurry up and come and save me”

    So with all the money in the world…and all her wealth…she’d “get” (equivalent to “purchase”) herself four Harajuku girls (equivalent to purchasing dolls) and “dress them wicked and give them names”.

    Suddenly, I felt those feelings flood back into me, all those horrible memories that I am sure your friend Hae felt walking through the ‘Con. Every single non-Asian boy I met wanted to stroke my hair (still do) and call me their “little China doll”…or want me to elaborate on how submissive I was (in bed or out of it).

    It kind of made me sad that the only time that Asians are brought to light, there is always some sort of connotation to our women being dolls, or “things” that need dressing or names. Either that or on a Lifetime special where we have abusive culturally head-strong husbands and children who are trying to struggle in assimilating into American culture.

    Maybe that last part is just me, though.

  9. Gandalf Mantooth wrote:

    Japanese nationals do have an interest and opinion on the West’s recent infatuation with Japan, and opinions go beyond bemused pride.

    The film and animation industries are especially affected by it so as to change to varying degrees the marketing and production of their products. Animation masters like Oshii and Satoshi Kon think about the American and European markets when they think about their films, for one example.

    Japanese people, especially those living abroad, are discussing films like BABEL and LOST IN TRANSLATION and their presentations of Japan and Japanese people, and retinterpretations via the remakes, and not all responses to these images are positive, even the ostensibly innocuous stuff in LiT.

    I don’t know how useful a discussion of power dynamics is vis a vis cultural appropriation. It’s relevant to the relationship between Black R&B singers in the ’50’s and White radio stations and record companies, or perhaps the cash strapped Japanese film industry and Hollywood. How does it factor between American otaku (”mania” is the word now in Japan) and Japanese people?

    I don’t know that “the desire to learn” is the crux on which the appropriation turns. I’ve never thought that the otaku, no matter how fanatical or fetishistic they may seem to some of us, could be called an appropriationist.

  10. atlasien wrote:

    Point taken about Japanese nationals… although I still think the average Japanese national is not that much self-reflective than the average American.

    LaToya, I was able to decode “proof of not being an asshole” by the second paragraph of your post :-)

    Gwen Stefani is truly horrible. Here is another irritating example of a high-minded “culture vulture”:

    http://www.immortalgeisha.com/aboutus_01.php

  11. atlasien wrote:

    Not that much more self-reflective, I meant to say.

  12. mr guy wrote:

    I just wanted to say one thing.Japanese manga/anime artist can not draw black people to save their lives.If it’s not a huge afro wearing,borderline jive talking like character, it’s a muscular violent character.

    It’s like what a fellow student from japan said to me.If there’s going to make a non japanese character don’t expect much fleshing out of the character.He/she is there for show or comedy relief.And expect a ton of stereotypes.

  13. CScarlet wrote:

    I went through a phase in middle school of being obsessed with anime and then Japan in general- and I met so many of the absolute otaku tools described here that I was totally turned off by any kind of anime fandom or events and became quickly disinterested (except I’ll never abandon Sailor Moon :P). I even now, wrongly, tend to assume the worst of people when I find out they have that interest. Thanks for writing such a great post; I’m definitely holding off judgements from now on! :)

    I’m really disappointed that Bust had Gwen Stefani in to spout that crap about Margaret Cho. I stopped reading Bust a while ago, something about it being kind of annoyingly heterocentric, but this doesn’t want to make me pick it up again. Ugh. I knew something was slimy when I saw her mug on the cover.

  14. RobynT wrote:

    great post and great comments! this is the first time i have felt the need to comment just to say that.

    i too am a recovering gwen fan. in one of my classes last night we were talking about how everyone is racist becuase we live in a racist country–well all Americans, I guess. I can’t speak for the whole world… but probably most of the world too… I think. I wish Gwen would listen to the feedback she is getting…

    and i also am very suspicious of non-Asian folks who are into Asian stuff… and like LaToya said, I think learning is one solution. It’s the blind adoration that is just plain silly. But I guess even learning could be about having power… maybe reflection and considering that there may be problems with the interest is key.

  15. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Eun-Jung:

    Great comments. I forgot about that part in rich girl - she really does think of the girls as living dolls, rather than people.

    I think some of the ignorant comment stem from people who have never TRIED to learn a few different languages. Korean especially - I can’t get my head around the syllables - I can’t even pronounce Hae’s real name! Props to the multilingual people.

    Gandalf -

    Good point about LiT and Babel. I personally didn’t like LiT, but I think it was more the fact that I didn’t relate to either character rather than the image of Japan in the film.

    The power dynamic thing is worth exploring, not because Otaku and Japanese society have a relationship, but because so many Otaku try to create relationships with people from Japan, either romantically, or platonically. A lot of our expectations are skewed as to the reality of intercultural friendship.

    I also do not feel like Otaku, as a group, are appropriationists - but many, as individuals are. This is based on my own experiences, comments I’ve overheard, and the experiences of others. I am not sure how this works regionally - I am from outside of DC, and I think the scene here may be different from that in other areas. However, one of the things Hae and her friends do remind me of is that they used to feel very unwelcome at anime conventions - they were a space for white males…and white males only. Things are a bit different now, but that little cultural bit of history does influence things, even to this day.

    May I ask what your experiences are? I would be interested to hear them, particularly if you are from a different area.

    Mr guy -

    Great point. Black people are marginal characters in anime and manga - even if I wanted to cosplay, I can only think of two characters that would work for me. And the images are extremely stereotypical - it feels like the blaxpolitation era all over again! I am writing a piece on hip-hop and anime, so it will be interesting for me to research this phenomenon a bit more.

    Interesting side note - in manhwa (Korean comics) there are a lot more characters that are mixed - black and korean. (When I say a lot, I mean as compared to manga - the numbers are still small). I wonder why that is? Does any one know/want to hazard a guess?

  16. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Also, I just picked up the new issue of Bust, and here is a reader comment re: the Gwen Interview (copied verbatim):

    Margaret Cho isn’t the only one seeing red over Gwen Stefani’s use of Japanese girls as cute human props. I love Tokyo street culture as much as the next gal, but that doesn’t give a privileged, white, American pop start the right to exploit it and then tell an Asian woman like Cho that she needs to do some “research” before she can recognize blatant objectification. Stefani should stop believing her own hype and start listening to her fans when they tell her she’s gone too far. Someone needs to tell her to do some “research” on the definition of the term “cultural appropriation.” Then she needs to “holla back” with an apology, because with many of her fans of color, she’s about one geisha away from wearing out her welcome.

    —Kesha A. Bruce, Metz, France

    [Toya notes: Oh Snap!]

  17. quinacridones wrote:

    I’ve been thinking about this, as a black person learning Japanese (and a fan of some aspects of Japanese pop culture). I hope this comment makes sense, as I sound kinda awkward sometimes.

    There’s too much of a black and white separation between whether you’re a fetishist or not, there are plenty of problematic grays inbetween. Just because we”re not that bad, like those crazy otaku “over there”, doesn’t mean that we don’t still contribute to these issues, or shouldn’t keep examining ourselves.

    That said, the fact that one is learning isn’t enough to say that their appreciation is without problems, because what you’re trying to learn about is important. If only a quarter of the folks trying to study or obsess over Asia directed enough of that energy towards Asian-American issues, the visibility of their voices would increase at least four times over.

    I was ashamed personally, thinking of all the black authors and artists and Japanese manga-ka I was familiar with, yet the only Asian American author I knew was Amy Tan. I know much about Black American history, and about black discussions of race, and have been educating myself on Native history, authors and decolonization theories. But it’s only recently that I sat down to start reading up on Asian American history, as well as exposing myself to more authors and performance artists, and becoming more educated on their struggle.

    To me, at this point now, it doesn’t feel right learning about another culture, in a bubble isolated from how colonization, imperialization, and globalization, has affected those peoples (wherever they may live). Not just because it perpetuates an ignorance of their struggles, but also because these things also affect how we view those people. (Like Gwen Stefani’s dismissal of Margaret Cho’s analysis) It also creates a disconnect between the idea of these people versus the actual people themselves. In a match between the two, usually the idea wins out (with privilege and entitlement on it’s side), and enables people to make ignorant “more Asian than” or “less Asian than” comments without a thought.

  18. Gandalf Mantooth wrote:

    Latoya,

    My experiences? I don’t think I’d ever be classified as an otaku except by my wife. I’m not enough of a completist to watch every series, collect all the models, etc. My interests have been in Japanese cinema and music specifically, animation and pop culture in general were more of a sideline. I’ve done pieces on Kurosawa (A and K), Oshii, Utada Hikaru, etc. As such I haven’t interacted with the otaku community so much except to attend conventions to find fan subs and then jet. If you’re clever enough you can find my real name in the special edition DVD of Jin-Roh :)

    I have observed a few things, though. The local and area conventions were pretty White and male, though I went back a couple of years later and noticed many more women in attendance and a few more minorities, some Asian, few African American. I also noticed that the African Americans seemed isolated (often attended alone) while Asian Americans seemed to be with other Asians or Whites. However, the first organizer of the local convention is a Latino.

    Just a reflection of living in the South, I think. However, clearly there are some White otaku who don’t much cotton ta coloreds. It’s amazing (sneak over to the stormfront web site and see) how they rationalize their hate with their otaku-ness. And of course, they’ll always have back up from the “geneticists” that lurk there, or the fetishists.

  19. Colin wrote:

    It’s disgusting and not limited to Asian-Americans, either. Fetishization happens to people of color all over the spectrum, from white teenagers sadly trying to speak ebonics with black students to what seems to pass for “respect” of Native Americans in mascots.

    I only wonder about one thing…(I’ve thought about this for a short while) how should inter-cultural exchanges go, and should black people like me not be interested in things that are not considered “culturally black”? It’s a bit loaded, yes, but I think it has a good point to it. Should people stay to their race’s culture? This was brought out by atlasien’s comments, fo’ sho’, but it’s something I’ve thought about for awhile, so it was bubbling at the surface of my magnificent mind.

  20. Brad wrote:

    Latoya Peterson fgs_sfdg thanx for the responses, I’m definetely going to learn the language for her parents who don’t speak english very well, It won’t be very easy but it will be worth the effort.

    On the issue of asiaphiles. They are extremelyignorant people who need to learn respect for other cultures. As for the men who seak out only asian women. What more needs to be said ? They are sexual predators on par with pedophiles.

  21. merq wrote:

    Yes, great post and all that, Latoya, but I wonder… as you appreciated “pink-haired, bindhi-sporting Gwen,” with her awesome mish-mash of Jamaican, S-E-Asian, and So-Cal cultures, did you realize you were already dealing with a serial-apropriator?

    I find it odd that as aware as you’ve shown yourself to be, you only noticed her most egregious offenses, and none that took place prior to (Jamaican, South-Asian) or during (Latino) her Asiaphilia spree.

  22. Milan wrote:

    Just throwing a thought out there. I always wondered if there is any reasoning behind the fact that many of the Japanese anime and manga series that have found mainstream success portray a blond-haired, blue-eyed protagonist (Sailor Moon, Naruto, Trigun, etc.) I don’t know if there’s an underlying issue behind that or if it’s just for aesthetic purposes or perhaps just a casual example of Japanese appropriation of American culture. Do people even care whether or not this phenomenon exists?

  23. ren. wrote:

    Pocky? Bah, Pocky smut! Choco-pie!

    On a less serious note, great article Latoya I enjoyed it. Rare is it to see self-reflection among Otaku, white, black, Asian or otherwise. I can certainly count some instance where I felt uncomfortable at what seemed like non-Asian over-fixation, such as attending Boston Anime 2006 and feeling out of place because I was Asian… or recently I was at a graphic design expo (Asian influence in graphic design is immense) and of the majority of work that was imitating the “superflat” aesthetic, only 1/3 were made by Asians. Didn’t actually bother me, apart from people utilizing Asian characters that translated to friggin gibberish.

    Your mentioned being complemented for being more Asian than Asians and it reminded me of my years as an undergrad, a favorite teacher of mine was a little Italian woman who knew more about Asian culture, pop culture, and cinema enough to make the proudest Asian cower in fear. She was on the supplemental disc for Wong Kar Wai’s In the Mood for Love DVD, which is THE Asian cred you need to impress me. I’m not ashamed to admit it, she was more Asian than I was and technically I might have been more Italian than she, this woman knew her shit about Asia. How can you not love someone who makes you write an academic paper on Ghost in the Shell? Definitely check out Gina’s work, such as Romance and the Yellow Peril: Race, Sex, and Discursive Strategies in Hollywood Fiction, From Tiananmen to Times Square: Transnational China and the Chinese Diaspora on Global Screens, and Andrew Lau and Alan Mak’s Infernal Affairs - The Trilogy (utterly shameless plug for a great professor).

    Are anime-loving Otaku appropriating Asian Culture? Probably not. We should make a fair distinction between Japanese Culture and Japanese Popular Culture. While I may hold Doraemon near and dear to my heart, he still doesn’t rank as a cultural icon such that I would render it a greater exclusivity to Japan over any other Japanese pop culture icon. It’s a tough call as to how much respect is owed to a country’s pop culture, not sure the degree of respect owed by Asians towards American Idol or Paris Hilton (none preferably). I certainly understand your fear of fetishizing, but I also think you appreciate the appeal of good aesthetics. There is manga that makes for great literature, it’s not panties-flashing. Inio Asano’s Nijgahara Holograph is mind-blowing work (it’s the Craig Thompson’s Blankets of the skin-tight anatomically atrocious mainstream comic world). Barefoot Gen and Grave of the Fireflies are incredibly moving examples of Anime. Murakami’s Win-Up Bird Chronicle is brilliant literature. Final Fantasy VI is, I believe, what people refer to when they utter “greatest story ever told”. K-dramas… goddamn are they addictive. All are outstanding examples of work within their respective field. To equate your enjoyment of any of these with fetishizing puts it in danger of dismissing the greatness of these works in and of themselves.

    However, I’m not a part of the US Otaku subculture, so you know the mentality better than I. I won’t deny meeting some pretty pathetic dudes… I do sympathize— almost makes me wanna offer them my hair to stroke. But the ones I’ve met are a far cry from real fetishists. Everyone in Japan knows of Soft On Demand, it’s THE porno company in the same regard that everyone knows Vivid in America. I despise it when I get confronted by what people see online — Oh my god, they really have sexual game shows? Do they really exercise naked? Do they really drop their clothes and walk down the street? We so have to go to (name that Asian country)! It’s like I want to scratch them behind the ears and chuckle. Yeah they do, in a porno they are known to do things that are outwardly sexual you f’n dunce. You don’t hear Asians in America going, if I call the plumber I’m going to have to take it in the ass or do I really have to tip the pizza boy by going down on him? What perturbs me is the constant infantilizing, that we Asians are just childishly unaware and ripe for exploitation. That’s the fetishizing that annoys me, not some dude that can explain every plot twist in Dragonball Z.

    The realization you make Latoya is that a country’s pop culture is not the summation of a country’s culture, it’s merely one aspect and perhaps the most readily identifiable and easily attainable but it underscores something much broader. I respect your willingness to see where it comes from instead of just staring at what is. And in the visually appealing world of manga and anime where people get caught up in the surface appeal, it’s hard to see further beyond the candy coated exterior. I respect your level of awareness, too bad it isn’t more prevalent. The world could do with less of these hipster “journalist” dickheads who think they’re mining something new when they write about the steamy world of love motels, hostess bars, and gogo girly shows for the hundredth-millionth time. Or jackasses that can’t get over a squat toilet or people who wax poetic about a toyo with electronic bidet. If people would look further past our toilets, Asians would appear less as infantile caricatures. As for Gwen… if she were to spontaneously combust, I would be the first to grab a bag of mashimarrows and a lawn chair.

    PS. since Otaku is more subculture than pop culture, if you’re interested in subcultural practice and appropriation, check out Dick Hebdige’s classic text Subculture: The Meaning of Style and The Subculture Reader edited by Ken Gelder. I keep them in my own library so I couldn’t recommend them more.

  24. Eun-jung wrote:

    Oh sweet Lord in Heaven and all that is just and right in this world…

    La Toya:

    Double “Oh snap!” to that reader’s response to the Gwen Stefani article. That helped to sum a lot of the feelings that have been exposed through the comments on this post.

    quinacridones:

    I, too have struggled with the idea of whether or not “learning” is the key to truly “understanding one’s culture” or not. Beyond the racial boundaries to which you speak of (the idea that with the armed knowledge, the people then also arm themselves with a shield stating “Look What I Learned! Therefore, I have rights to say what I want”) to just talk about predjudice…it happens all the time. Being an adoptee, I have grown to learn that the fact that my mother and father read some books about Korea (the country where their new daughter was coming from) and attended some Korean festivals in the past, hell, even ate Korean food and liked it…they have found justification in their telling me that “Korean women stand on street corners with their titties hanging out and their legs spread wide open for the American soldiers” or to reference eating Chinese food with the following line of “You know, Em, it’s so funny when those guys at the restaurant ask you ‘chopstick o’ fawk?’ ”

    Unfortunately, I think learning about anyone, anything: be it country, culture, a specific social group - is going to have this kind of backlash. But I do not think that it should become a reason to admonish those who do learn to educate themselves and to arm themselves with just knowledge, and a better understanding for what they appreciate, and not just some empty stereotypical slurs that they feel justified in spewing.

  25. Yori Kim wrote:

    I know how annoying it is to see people treating a culture like a fad…………it’s sickening, but to people who actually respect and genuinely enjoy different cultures,-I respect that…….just please don’t treat the Asian culture like a passing fad, it’s rude.

  26. Yori Kim wrote:

    I know how annoying it is to see people treating a culture like a fad…………it’s sickening, but to people who actually respect and genuinely enjoy different cultures,-I respect that…….just please don’t treat the Asian culture like a passing fad, it’s rude.

    pleas do not be offended, as to I did not mean to offend. :)

  27. Max wrote:

    If you want to know of the history of Asian Japan and black, then look on this wibsite and be surprised and what you did not know.

    http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/shogun.html

    This is a website that explains the history of the samurai.

  28. tomi wrote:

    this is a very interesting post LaToya! i can relate to most of what you said. ever since i can remember i’ve always been interested in knowing about other cultures and since i’m a bookworm, it has been quite easy for me to pick up history books and read them just for fun. although i am African and in the UK, i understand how some Asian Americans may feel because i can’t speak my language as well and always get funny looks because of that. a very interesting read and an eye opener, great work. :)

  29. Gandalf Mantooth wrote:

    Milan:
    Question is asked often enough, so much that one of the import companies started to show a short filck on their VHS tapes that explained the different looks in hair and eye color. It’s an easy assumption to think that it has to do with White worship, however it’s about artistic choices. Also, you know it isn’t uncommon to see people in Japan with their hair dyed blond or red or whatever, and that act has not much to do with “wanting to be white” as well.

    Ren:
    Even more maddening than the journalism about Japan (I think you’re talking mostly about the lad mags like Maxim?) is all the Gaijin blogs that constantly recycle the same anectodes about the fertility festival, panties in vending machines, clips from SOD, etc. They don’t bother to provide context, so it’s easy to see how the casual reader can glean a certain impression. Even some smart people have fallen into the Wacky Japan trap.

    These stories are sensationalist, and those things drive hit counts and magazine sales, so you’ll get a preponderance of those kinds of things.

  30. Kai wrote:

    The Black Shogun site presents some interesting hypotheses and I’ve seen evidence of its claim in terms of phenotypes and complexions, and also in certain traditional art depictions.

    But keep in mind that when it comes to modern Japan and Blacks, in the wake of the Meiji Restoration, Japan embraced white supremacy as it attempted to rebuild itself in the mold of European industrial imperialism. The alliance with Nazi Germany and the utter genocidal brutality of Japan’s invasion of its Asian neighbors during WWII kinda says it all. One can make a strong case that Japanese society still hasn’t entirely shaken that legacy and that the white-looking big-eyed anime characters are symptoms of that phenomenon.

    Peace.

  31. ren.. wrote:

    Milan,

    A fair question and one that a lot of people who are into manga/anime ask themselves. There is really no actual answer, everyone has their own ideas why. I’m more inclined to go with Gandalf on this issue, that it’s really just a question of artistic stylization. Unlike fine art that relies a lot on copying a subject, cartoons don’t really work off some worldly reference. It’s no sin for a cartoon to be ethnically ambiguous — it’s non-representational in the sense that they aren’t bound to portray things as “they ought to be “. When I’ve had white individuals ask me why manga and anime characters are so white looking, I become equally curious in wondering why THEY want to believe that their presence would be represented by characters of the anime/manga style? I’m thinking more Jon from Garfield. Nevertheless, I don’t really factor in whether this is Asians succumbing to a white ideal of beauty… it just isn’t applicable in my opinion in terms of my enjoyment of the manga or anime.

    It sounds like a cop-out of an answer, I know, but ask yourself why didn’t Picasso just paint Les Demoiselles d’Avignon so that their bodily characteristics were proportionally appropriate and nationality of the figures were easily discernible? Because that wasn’t the stylistic technique that one attributes to Cubism. What kind of cat was Felix? What breed of dog is Odie? What binomial nomenclature applies to Homer Simpson? It’s a cartoon, yet because it comes from Asia we’re compelled to ascribe it an ethnic identity or decry it for a lack thereof, in a way we don’t apply to any of America’s own cartoons (though the Simpsons are Korean (-_

  32. Gandalf Mantooth wrote:

    Kai,

    What’s wrong with that sentence. “White” supremacy. Japanese nationalists didn’t find themselves “inferior” to anyone. Even non-nationalists have some of that fervor. People may say, “Oh, blue eyes are so cute,” yet still believe the posessor of those blue eyes are irredeemably dim and uncultured. The conception of “supremacy” is a more complex calcualtion and becomes even more complex and convoluted when evidence against such stupidity becomes more apparent.

    The Japanese govt attempted to use notions of White supremacy to build support for their cause of world domination. They would, for example, upon recieving a boat load of visitors from the West, refuse entry to all the White people and let the non-White people come in. The Empire wanted people of color in the world to believe that Japan would free them of their colonial subjugation, and especially wanted Black people in the US to understand this.

    Didn’t work.

  33. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Wow -

    I take a day off from blogging maniacally, and the comments explode.

    Quinacridones -

    Good comments.
    Colin -

    My life would be so much easier if I had an answer to your question.

    Merq -

    Yes, I noticed her appropriation before this. However, here’s how I define the difference (and feel free to let me know if you disagree):

    Fashion is all about appropriation. The pages of fashion mags are all “influences” - a polite term for jacking someone else’s look. With Gwen’s love of fashion, you could easily write off her fashion incarnations as her just trying something new. The mix of so-cal, Jamaican, and SE Asian fashion was a mix - but her style still shone through. Saris with jeans, rasta hat and vans - she was still a form of herself. So while you could raise a few eyebrows at her choices, from a fashion perspective, she was just pulling inspiration.

    The Harajuku thing just seemed like another fashion foray - until she decided to get props, reinvent her whole style to solely reflect Harajuku, and hire girls to be a living embodiment of what she thought was style. That violates fashion codes - you can always pull inspiration…but outright copying is verboten.

    Also - and someone correct me if I’m wrong - I don’t recall Gwen touring with silent dancing latinas, and her performances with Bounty Killa and Lady Saw were mash-ups of their aesthetic and her aesthetic. She did not try to force anyone into a narrow image (until now) , stay with one image for ages and ages (until now), or blatantly profit off of another culture (where was the Rasta lovers line? The Desi Lovers?)

    So to me, that’s where the shit with Gwen hit the fan for me. As I understand now, she is trying to find new cues in fashion - for example, the Sweet Escape fashion was inspired by Michelle Pfeiffer in Scarface - 1980s glam. I am curious to see how this will play… she completely fell into Harajuku fashion for the last two and a half years (a fashion eternity). What will she do with this image she fed into?

  34. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Ren -

    I am sooooo not a Pocky slut (though mousse pocky is great.) I’ve been all about gummies, those Dream Pies you can get from the Korean store, and Milkis (obviously, Hae holds a ton of influence.)

    Thanks for the book tips.

    One of the reasons I wrote the posts is because we (as people in general, not just Otaku) tend to find things we like and just run with it. Like hip-hoppers who feel like hip-hop begins and ends with what is on the radio. You feel like you know something, and you begin to make assumptions about it. I still think awareness is key, but obviously - as Eun-Jung pointed out - being aware of things does not make you immune to stereotyping.

    Yori -

    Got the meaning of your post the first time. :-) I agree that having your culture treated as a fad is annoying. I wonder what will happen to the Harajuku girls once they have served their purpose?

    Gandalf, Milan, Kai, Ren, and Max -

    I wish my knowledge base was larger, and I can add something to the discussion. Unfortunately I cannot. But I will be researching this in the years to come…

  35. merq wrote:

    Latoya:

    While I see your point in most cases, I’ve gotta ask what you thought of her “Luxurious” video.

  36. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Never saw it (ND was a high school obsession, kind of tapered off after I graduated.)

    I’ll check it out and see…

  37. merq wrote:

    Here ya go.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HD0bLfbaE

    enjoy

  38. Kai wrote:

    Gandalf, you say that imperial Japan wanted African Americans to “understand” that Japan, in alliance with Nazi Germany, was going to liberate them from subjugation; do you accept that message in good faith, or do you see it as a transparent attempt to exploit an enemy’s internal divisions? Or another interpretation? It’s unclear from your “didn’t work” conclusion just what you mean.

    ren, do you believe that “aesthetic” anime depictions are race-neutral? Do you believe that standards of beauty are race-neutral?

    Just curious. Cheers.

  39. Latoya Peterson wrote:

    Merq -

    My first thought was that the video was unfortunate. I cringed when the video started in a nail salon…but wow.

    I thought about an interview with Sarah Jessica Parker, when she talked about wearing the gold “Carrie” necklace on Sex and the City, and she said something like “it was an acknowledgment of women other than those who shopped on Madison Avenue.” To me, it was a good response. She rocked a necklace that was familiar to me on a cultural level, and yet did it in a way that showcased her own style. (Though I am glad she left bamboo earrings alone…)

    The “Lux” video on the other hand feels like racial drag. I never saw this video on TV (little wonder why) though I remember vids for Rich Girl, Hollaback Girl, etc etc…

    What made that video so egregious wasn’t that she dressed in a throwback to chola style - there was a whole lifestyle implied in that video. From the nail shop to the house to the park, to Slim Thug’s appearance with two dancing jail birds in the back, Gwen painted a very clear picture of the gangbanging latin lifestyle. The lyrics, in that context, have a dirty pallor to them.

    [Side note: At the time, I didn’t think Jennifer Lopez’s “Get Right” video was anything too special - but it is interesting to see how she adopted multiple “looks” that could be associated with different factions of the latino community, while Gwen played in only one.]

    I am left wondering a couple things:

    1. Was she questioned about this video? If so, did she say she was “respecting” the culture?

    2. How much of an influence did her bandmates (esp. Tony) have on curbing her appropriationist tendencies?

    3. And why has she lost her fucking mind now that she is a solo artist?

  40. Eun-jung wrote:

    La Toya:
    Unfortunately, I don’t think I am qualified to comment on the mental status of said solo artists who tend to have flown one over the cuckoo’s nest.

    :-)

    However, I felt the exact same way after watching the “Lux” video. It left this horrible taste in my mouth…like “ugh, what’s that I am tasting? Racial stereotyping?”

  41. Gandalf Mantooth wrote:

    Kai

    It’s universally understood that the gestures were a means to an end, I don’t think that’s in dispute. The kinds of things history reports in regards to the example I gave happened during the years running up to the second World War. So with that in mind, this was about presenting Japan as an answer to the European and American colonizers. China already knew what the rest of the non-White world could expect from that.

    Also, your construction “in alliance with Nazi Germany” is kind of loaded, and tells part of the story. Japan attempted to have it both ways during their military alliance with Hitler; they shared goals of expanding their empires in their respective continents, however the official position was to oppose the anti-semitism and internment camps, and refused those portions of their pact. It’s said that the position was just another means of presenting the Empire in a good light and furthering the Empire’s plans, I have little doubt that was the case. Of course, ironically, the nation had it’s own issues of war crimes to deal with.

  42. ren. wrote:

    Kai

    I was answering the question of why Asians (Japanese specifically) supposedly represented themselves ambiguously as white in manga and forgo their ethnic signifiers. As I said, there is no one answer, it’s just an answer. There are moments when racial depictions in manga have left me confused. For instance, as a kid I would read the manga Ranma 1/2 and there is a character in the story that is Chinese… as in, he’s drawn in a way you would associate an Asian depicted in cartoon form. This isn’t done merely to an ethnicity apart from “Japanese” characters. I’ve read manga where the foil, the antagonist, the character you aren’t supposed to feel for… is, unlike the protagonist, depicted in a realistic manner associated with what a Japanese individual might look like in cartoon form. But it’s also used as a stylistic element when distinguishing youth from maturity, older characters will sometimes be rendered with prominent Asian features. All of these are not uncommon stylistic choices, though I don’t know how widespread it is since the totality of manga is too large to make a pro or con appraisal. There are critics of manga who love to chastise all of it for sexism or racism, which I find impressive considering I couldn’t read in a lifetime all the manga produced in a year. So to answer your question, no I wouldn’t say manga is race-neutral. However, the race-neutral term hints to a maliciousness that I might have overlooked. While I admit it’s a curious decision to depict race in these instances in that manner, I’d hardly condemn it as malicious.

    Do I believe that standards of beauty are race-neutral? Do you mean in terms of race-specific? Neutral in terms of universal principles of beauty? Stringent categories or principles that conform to particular racial groups? This is too broad of a question to really answer. However, I tend to reject notions of “white beauty ideals” when ascribed to Asians and especially when the claim is being made to an illustration. While it’s hinted at for manga, you’ll most often hear of Asians succumbing to ideals of white beauty for things like double eyelid surgery (I’m guessing you’ve been privy to this discussion amongst Asians as much as I have).

    What makes me skeptical are two issues 1. who’s actual standard of beauty is it? 2. what actually accounts for their motivation? In practically every instance where I’ve had to endure this debate these things end up happening 1. people get confused about their own topic and can’t figure out removal of epicanthic fold vs. placing a crease on the eyelid are two completely different medical procedures 2. when decrying the rejection of Asian beauty ideals for White ones, they can’t explain exactly what beauty ideals are specifically “Asian” and considering the ~6000 yr history of Korea, they can’t come up with one “Korean beauty ideal” that is supposedly being subjugated to the whims of a “white beauty ideal” 3. people who chastise others for having preconceived notions of what is beauty but who refuse to explain their own notions of what is beautiful and how they were benevolently formed… and no I don’t consider “all-natural” a beauty standard, that’s a state of being. 4. declaring people’s motivations using universal (empty) rationales such as denial, self-hate, insecurity — claims that can be applied to pretty much everyone and everything in the world. 5. people who can magically diagnose self-esteem and self-hate issues through a newspaper clipping, impressive and usually the moment where I can magically diagnose paranoia in others.

    That probably didn’t answer your question…. sorry.

  43. Kesh wrote:

    Gwen is power-hungry, racist and arrogant. nuff said.

  44. wendi muse wrote:

    to comment on the following from atlasien:
    “I think Japanese (nationals) don’t really care that much how Americans adopt their pop culture, or mind if it gets appropriated… although occasionally they’ll feel a bemused pride. Do Americans care when people in China eat Kentucky Fried Chicken, watch Starsky and Hutch or read Raymond Chandler? ”

    I think Americans DO care, but it depends on which ones you’re talking about. For example, I am aware that many (not ALL, mind you, I am just recognizing that it’s a part of pop culture now) young Japanese people love hip hop and what they consider “black culture,” but I think there is more to black culture than just hip hop and breakdancing, which have become , for better or for worse, the black American’s means for cultural capital in the international market. One of the most striking examples of imitation that I remember bothering me was when a friend told me of a Japanese exchange student who called her “nigga” because that’s what she had heard in hip hop and thought it was an acceptable greeting to all black youth. Oops. In the same way, I think Americans, some innocently and some not, introduce aspects of other cultures to our own without recognizing some of the nuances that become muddled when they are removed from their original context.

  45. gatamala wrote:

    I haven’t been here in a bit. THIS level of discussion is why I come back!!!!!!!

    Ren-
    How can you not love someone who makes you write an academic paper on Ghost in the Shell?

    can i get a link please?! :D

  46. Katie wrote:

    Thank you for the article and all of the ensuing comments. This will provide many topics for conversation and reflection in our household for some time.

    I read various blogs as often as I can -specifically those on race and cultural issues- so that I can root out and challenge my own subconscious prejudices and so that I may be a better model and teacher to my children. Just today, I learned that “white” is the considered the default when race is not specifically identified (e.g. on the internet). I had never before thought of it that way. I had previously thought that everyone assumed that all other posters were just like them - black if they were black, female if they were female, childless if they were childless. This is something I’ll reflect on now.

    I have a specific interest in how Japanese culture, particularly anime and manga, is appropriated. My 11 year-old son is an otaku. He is also highly gifted and mildly autistic. Perseveration is the norm for him, rather than the exception. I want to encourage his exploration of other cultures, without seeing them devolve into fetishism or anything inappropriate. I am uncomfortable with many of the images (particularly the white panty shots) and am trying to expand my knowledge base quickly and sufficiently, so that I may make good parenting choices for him and for my younger daughter.

  47. SolShine7 wrote:

    Well said. That was an interesting and relevant take on it all.

  48. Mogs wrote:

    I know I’m going to get a lot of negative reaction to this statement, but here goes: I don’t think there really IS such a thing as “cultural appropriation”. In this day and age when ideas travel so freely and everyone is connected via the Internet, I think we’re going to see a breakdown of traditional geographic and ethnic aspects of culture- people and cultural ideas will move and mix so easily that one’s culture will be increasingly defined by preference and not by “race” or even nationality. Not including outright prejudice like Gwen’s harajuku lyrics, I think the so-called “cultural appropriators” are just a bit ahead of the times…
    Today’s people are so fortunate to have access to a wide variety of cultures, we would be foolish to limit ourselves to only what is “traditional” within a certain region or ethnic group. Find what appeals to you and enjoy it! As far as “culture” goes… how you spend your time should be based on what you like and not trying to create a certain “image” or conform to a certain stereotype.

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