Homophobia, racism, and queer people of color

by guest contributor sbkang, originally published at geekstew

A piece in Tuesday’s New York Times discussed the benefits and consequences that Black churches face when they make their congregations more open to LGBT folk. The article explores tensions in Black communities about the presence of gay men, lesbians, and transgender people in their churches and posits that pastors who openly accept LGBT people risk alienating more traditional congregants, to the extent that they will leave the church.

The piece hit some familiar nerves. As a queer person of color, I’m always sensitive to implied criticism in mainstream (usually White-dominated) media about the “problem” of homophobia in communities of color. The subtext of a lot of this coverage is that people of color routinely express anti-gay hatred or exclusion more than White people do, thus positioning homophobia as a problem for “them” as opposed to “us.”

The NYT article, despite some attempt to portray the issue’s complexity, pretty much reinforces this view. The piece implies a causal relationship between pastors supporting gay congregants and reduced church memberships, and even suggests, by its exclusive coverage of Black churches, that this is an issue restricted to Black folk.

This kind of coverage sets of all kinds of bells in my mind. There’s something self-satisfied about the way mainstream media generally talks about homophobia in communities of color, as if White communities all over the country don’t bear responsibility for their fair share of anti-gay bullshit. Unfortunately, this type of perspective also informs the ways some of the more prominent LGBT rights organizations work in communities of color, understandably provoking anger in those same communities.

An article in AfterElton discusses some of these issues from the viewpoint of Black gay men working in entertainment and media. The piece is fairly wide-ranging, and only skims the surface in some areas, but it raises some interesting points. It discusses the resentment Black folk feel when LGBT activists compare Black racial justice struggles with their own movement’s fights, without regard to historical context or sensitivity to the significance of the civil rights movement in Black communities. Some of the interviewees posit that the “problem” of Black homophobia is a relatively recent phenomenon, spurred by the waxing strength of White-led conservatism. They also mention racism in queer communities as a problem that’s as prevalent, if not more so, than homophobia among their Black peers and family.

Whatever their insights and flaws, the articles definitely resonated with me in a few ways. I’m not Black, obviously, but the intersections of organized religion, ethnic identity, and queer experience are very much at play in Korean American communities, where culture and politics are so strongly dominated by evangelical, conservative Christian churches. And addressing racism in mainstream LGBT communities is something I’ve worked on in various ways in the Asian American context.

Like many queer activists of color, I’m not keen to hear about how our communities are supposed hotbeds of homophobic organizing and activity, without any acknowledgement that homophobia is a problem facing all communities, and without deeper analysis of the complex lived experience of queerness in communities of color.

At the same time, I find it hard to balance that concern against the very real homophobia I see in Korean American communities. I struggle with how to speak out against it without playing into the hands of those who would portray anti-gay rhetoric and behavior as endemic among non-White people. I feel some responsibility, whether well-grounded or not, to avoid highlighting issues in ways that would leave Korean American communities open to misrepresentation by people and institutions, well-intentioned or not, that don’t really understand their complexities.

At this point, I haven’t gotten far beyond the (admittedly not very sophisticated) idea that I don’t need mainstream media to tell me what’s wrong with my community, but I’m still gonna reserve that right for myself.

Any thoughts, folks?

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Comments

  1. mtevc wrote:

    Very good points. The anti-gay agenda is clear in some immigrant churches (of all stripes..Hispanic, Korean, etc)…and the neo-conservative churches (white) across America are decidedly (some of them) not just anti-gay, but spewing death threats to gay folk. Please Swaggart has come out with some nasty comments, yet he’s the same one afflicted with his pornography problem. I think it was Fred Phelps wishing gay people harm. No offense, if you call yourself a man of God, even if you didn’t agree with the homosexual lifestyle, would you be threatening people’s lives????? Wasn’t he the one picketing at dead gay people’s funerals??? How low can you go? I didn’t see any black pastors out there.

  2. Cynical wrote:

    Thank you so much for writing this article. Homophobia is such a complex issue in communities of color and it doesn’t help when the mainstream superficially minimizes the issue down to something that is natural within our communities.

    “Like many queer activists of color, I’m not keen to hear about how our communities are supposed hotbeds of homophobic organizing and activity, without any acknowledgement that homophobia is a problem facing all communities, and without deeper analysis of the complex lived experience of queerness in communities of color.

    At the same time, I find it hard to balance that concern against the very real homophobia I see in Korean American communities. I struggle with how to speak out against it without playing into the hands of those who would portray anti-gay rhetoric and behavior as endemic among non-White people. I feel some responsibility, whether well-grounded or not, to avoid highlighting issues in ways that would leave Korean American communities open to misrepresentation by people and institutions, well-intentioned or not, that don’t really understand their complexities.”

    Definitely feel you on this part.

  3. Kenny wrote:

    The media is so slick.They put the word Black in front of every thing negative in our society. Idoubt if Black men are more likelyto be on the down low more than anybody else either.

  4. Brad wrote:

    Fred Felps is an absolute goon. he not only picketed Matthew Shepards funeral, but now is currently having his Holy Church of Bigots and Degenrates protesting funerals for KIA soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is how low they have managed. As an independant minded christian and as a person with family overseas serving it offends me to no end what this “Devil in Priest’s clothing” is willing to do. I shudder to think what his more fanatical members will do (if that is possible.)

    On another point I want to make is that I noticed the writer seems upset at the fact that the NYT chose to do a piece on Non-white bigotry towards gays and vice versa. The best argument I can say as a white christian person (man) is that the national media and anti-racist movemant can’t stand in judgement of white people and demand they take responsiblity for all forms of bigotry and then turn a blind eye to when others behave the same way. That is hypocracy. If the anti-racist truly wants an anti-racist future than everyone has to own up to their communities problems of bigorty, and yes that includes gay-people’s problem with racism and innterracial couples and anti-white racists.

  5. berrybrowne wrote:

    while i hear your point, brad, i hope you understand (though you didn’t express this in your comment) that american racism and bigotry is/was a white construction that was taught to people of color so that we could and can participate in our own oppression. the anti-racist movement can, and does, engage in self-analysis about our own prejudices, but i share the author’s concern about the media’s glee in portraying the racism/sexism/homophobia in communities of color as though it is non-complex and as though it is somehow more pervasive and harmful than the extremely damaging, institutionalized racism/sexism/homophobia of privileged white society.

  6. Koko wrote:

    Thank you….I don’t get it. Why does the media
    always have to try and point homophobia(amoung other thing) to Blacks? I’m starting to get irked…

  7. Ananse wrote:

    Much appreciate a truly sincere and thoughtful read that made me stop and think today. Couple of considerations:

    (1) The dilemma of identity politics:. more freedom in diversity centered around asserting pride and non-assimiliation, bring more need for acknowledgement and recognition by institutions not so easily swayed to grant them.

    (2) “Media” gets tossed around here and elsewhere as a substitute for “white-owned” and it’s frankly irresponsible. I understand and share the sense of frustration, but when the mere use stops becoming lazy racist shorthand itself for real probing media critique, I could better tune in to what’s really at issue.

    By my count, media outlets and owners– print, broadcast, and online (only those for whom it is a profession, not a hobby)– in the mainstream *and* independent *and* alternative spheres have at times assigned blame unfairly, missed the mark by varying degrees, or chosen to ignore the same issues entirely. Goes for those owned and/or helmed by men and women (be worth going into their ethnicity and religious makeup, since “white” just seems too bland an attack as well).

    Silence regarding LGBTQ* folks of color, defined on their terms as such, within community papers and national minority wire services (which often are conservative in their audiences and advertisers as well) has especially been most deafening. I’d be possibly be curious to hear more voices in those venues as well…

  8. kim wrote:

    Within Black communities the group think is that White folk brought the sickness that is gayness/homosexuality, and Blacks have remained truer and closer to their organic place in the divine reproductive and social mandate than the inherently evil ‘other’ White folk, and are not straying from that legacy.

    I have no idea where the queer communities of color are, have no idea how the living side by side, yet completely undercover and out of sight, is done.

    I think media coverage, and securing it, on behalf of the homosexual community is still something that is outside of the bulk of acceptibility for the few Black presses/outlets out there, and any coverage of the church’s efforts to be inclusive, or, conversely, radically insular and demonizing, will get the play that the outlets seek for two reasons: the demonizing and vilifciation resonate with folks who may not even call themselves members of any church, but hearkening back to what they learned and internalized growing up, and 2) even for those who do not actively seek to ostracize or limit the freedoms of gays, the taint of the ‘evil other’ is still considered to be the at the heart of homosexual behavior.

    It’s all about White folks. Always.

    bell hooks’ work, ‘all about love,’ i believe, speaks cogently and in a lively and loving manner about the hypocrisy in the Black church community (and larger community itself) to the place of the stringent teachings of a ‘burn in hell’ text from which all the tenets of the faith are pulled, and then the actions of the houses of God that have always held and celebrated the place of the gay within the music ministries.

    Will have to check the title.

  9. Vandia wrote:

    Thank you very much. The issues you have raised are important and I find your story quite touching .I have to admit- I have never even given thought to some of these issues and we don’t hear about them very often. But it doesn’t mean these problems are not there. Again, thank you for an interesting food for thought.

  10. Brad wrote:

    BerryBrowne, Whites taught non-whites to be racist to participate in their own oppression? Wow, that is a very cool trick we white people played on you non-whites. Hell I’ll go a step further we are freaking geniouses to have pull that one off. And Berry if what you say is true than the non-whites of this country have to be absolutely stupid to have been played by whites for so many years, to have non-whites actually participate in their own oppression? Wow we whites must be really smart.

    Seriously if their is a real problem with homophobia in non-white communities than the media isn’t wrong for reporting on it. It is their duty as journalists to do so. Although it should be in objective manner. Same goes for homosexuals, If their is a problem of racism in that community than the media isn’t the problem it’s racism that is the problem. If minorities have encountered so much bigotry in this country, than for them to participate in it isn’t less outrageous, it’s more so because they know exactly what they are dishing out.

  11. Lyonside wrote:

    Brad:

    >Whites taught non-whites to be racist to participate in their own oppression? Wow, that is a very cool trick we white people played on you non-whites.

    It doesn’t have to be a CONSCIOUS THOUGHT-OUT PLAN by individuals. And by that I mean, if one group was/is historically in control of everything in a society, and there are several oppressed groups within that society, then it is easy to see how groups (and individuals within those groups) compete against each other. They only work with each other when they think (or can see) that the oppressed groups have at least a little power, or the potential to have power from those in control, and therefore banding together has at least the potential for success.

    It’s like the prison guard/prisoner psychology experiments. Take a bunch of fundamentally OK people, place them in a situation where one group arbitrarily has power over another, and watch the social norms de-evolve. Watch the prisoners form hierarchies, and have internal power struggles and form upper and lower classes and whatnot. Watch the prison guards exercise power because they CAN, even if they have (to them) legitimate reasons for using that power at the time, proving to themselves that they are still good people.

    Basic human psychology, man.

  12. Brad wrote:

    Lyonside I’am not here to be an apologist for white people. But there are times I’am sick of non-whites who act like idiots and get caught and turn around and find some way to blame it on whitey (me) and to top it all off the so-called anti-racist community actually defend them. Some of you all say you want to stop the White Vs everyone else mantra in race discussions. Well a good start would for non-whites to take responsibility for their own shortcomings and stop with the “white people are to blame” cop-out that is so popular.

    I know many here think my opinions are ignorant but they really are based on my experiences and what I have seen with my own eyes. As I’am sure it is the same with you. I have expeirenced racism from non-whites. When I was kid in middle-school I was physically attacked by a group of balck kids. I had my head slammed into the locker and was kicked as I layed on the ground. They told me “we own you white-boy you gonna die”. And some teachers who I reported this to said something to the extent of “well we’re sorry but that is their culture”. I’m not alone. What I went through is very similar to many white students go through now in school. If their the minority than they are walking targets in schools. I’m not here to speak for all white people. I’m stating what my experience and why I think the way I think.

  13. Sewere wrote:

    Brad,

    I know many here think my opinions are ignorant

    Finally, we both agree on something…

  14. Brad wrote:

    Very funny Sewere exactly what I’m a so ignorant about?

  15. merq wrote:

    Brad wrote:

    “Very funny Sewere exactly what I’m a so ignorant about?”

    Dude, where do you want me to start?

  16. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    All right, settle down everyone. Let’s please end this discussion here. Thanks.

  17. Aspasia wrote:

    What people fail to understand is that a church or religious body has a :party line” that they are supposed to follow. That is the religious doctrine of their faith, Bible, Torah, etc. They are not a social service agency or a lobbying group, even if the church acted as such during Martin Luther King’s era. I believe that MLK’s predecessor at the church had a difficult time with the parish because he was introducing politics into his theology. Martin and Ghandi were rare men who I believe were tapped by the Divine for a greater mission than just preaching. They should not become the model for all ministry. Few are so called to such a lofty role. And those who are have paid with their lives.

    The Black church should not be expected to promote something their doctrine as set forth in the Bible does not promote. They are not homophobic in the sense people seem to feel. They cannot stand in the pulpit and accpet this unless they are willing to preach acceptance of unwed parenting, adultery, etc. that is not favored in the religious text. But they will, I am sure, minister to their gay flock in time of need. Sex in the church is a sensitive issue and most churches want to pretend no one in the pews is having it out of wedlock. Do I agree with any of this, no, but truth is truth. Sexual temperance and sex only within marriage is what they will preach forever from the pulpit.

    If you want them to be involved in controversial social and political issues, that is a ministry for the members to initiate. Preachers have to respond to a religious governing board and many who may want to get involved in politics cannot. That is not what they went to seminary to do. If politics was what they were pasionate about, that is the field they would have pursued. I want to do counseling and ministry and one preacher said that was diluting the message and just go get a psychology degree if I want to do counseling. Narrow but real.

    Gay church members should start ad hoc social outreach programs and support groups of their ownwithin the congregation if they feel their message isn’t being heard. Bible study, AIDS activism, etc. can be your mission.

    I am a firm believer in self determination. If you can’t get what you want from the church, create it yourself. Model what you want a god fearing person to be and maybe the mainstream church can learn from you.

  18. Aspasia wrote:

    And remember, Rosa Parks was the one who refused to get up from her seat at the back of the bus. Nor Martin Luther King. Ghandi was a lawyer, not a preacher. As I said, model what you want them to do. And I am sure they will support it.

  19. Aspasia wrote:

    Front of the bus I mean for Ms. Parks . And Ghandi –religious civilian–refused to leave his seat in first class on the train.

  20. Ash wrote:

    I agree that white finger-pointing at homophobia in communities of color is deeply problematic. And I think that’s something that happens broadly with social majorities–straight men address battering among lesbian women as a lesbian problem; cisgender people scold transfolk for too-rigid or insufficiently convincing adherence to gender norms–it’s always easier to see our own problems when they’re reflected in someone else’s community; that way, we don’t have to take responsibility for them.

    And while every situation has to be addressed in its own terms, I think that the broadly-based response to this stuff has to be–you deal with your own community. White people need to be dealing with the ways that white-dominated society generates and reinforces homophobia and transphobia at all levels of that society. Problems that are specific to other groups are conversations for those of us who live within them to have with among ourselves–that’s not to say that there is no need for broader dialogue, but I think it’s very dangerous for anyone to make generalizations about even hir OWN culture, let alone one that ze’s not a part of.