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1. ATR 59 - Self-Hatred on Tyra Show and MTV reality - 02/12/2007 at Addicted to Race on 12 Feb 2007 at 7:01 am

   [...] discuss a recent episode of the Tyra Banks Show, all about people who hate their own race. They also talk about MTV’s reality programming and how they handle race and [...]

2. Addicted to Race 59: Self-Hatred on Tyra Show and MTV reality at Racialicious - the intersection of race and pop culture on 12 Feb 2007 at 10:01 am

   [...] discuss a recent episode of the Tyra Banks Show, all about people who hate their own race. They also talk about MTV’s reality programming and how they handle race and [...]

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1. Rob wrote:

   Yay.

   Another trainwreak.

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 11:10 am ¶

2. Dumi wrote:

   I’m thinking Dyson go roped in because there were cameras and he’s got another book coming out soon. Yah know, the usual. With that being said, at least this time Tyra trying to bring in someone with some expertise… instead of the Sapphyre from Flavor of Love 2 like she had on before!

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 12:04 pm ¶

3. eric daniels wrote:

   How about I need threapy because I was born the wrong color, Is Tyra becoming the next Sally Jessy Rapahel and Jenny Jones and showing explotation shows on race? Please Tyra stick to being a model.

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 12:28 pm ¶

4. Dani wrote:

   Some how I feel the major factor is being left out in this discussion!! Our Creator!! He made us all and in doing that made us all different! The thing we all have in common is that NOT ONE of us had a choice in the matter. We should not judge or be judged by what we do not control! I love you not because of what I see in your color or dress, but what I see in your actions and heart!! Your journey, not your created being is what defines you, and that is determined by all the circumstances that are a part of that! God has already made the judgement on His created creatures—-He said it was GOOD! The neat thing about it……..He didn’t say it about only the Blacks or the Whites or any other race, but about mankind!! To make such judgements is to play God!!

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 3:19 pm ¶

5. Andrew/Animelee wrote:

   If I remember, I’ll watch it this afternoon and report back here on the double. I’ll even try to encode it if my computer’s antenna can pick it up (my living room’s antenna can pick up everything, but my room’s has trouble sometimes…)

   Mission: Watch Tyra Banks.

   Objective: Try not to switch to a Law & Order (CI, SVU) episode to regain the brain cells lost during watching Tyra Banks.

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 3:54 pm ¶

6. Kenda wrote:

   i am so sick of all these “social experiments” by talk and reality shows. why don’t they just call them what they are, desperate ratings grabbers.

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 6:19 pm ¶

7. belledame222 wrote:

   oh swell. (steels herself for the inevitable moment when some happy asshole trots this out at the next big transgender-themed thrash)

   i could go for a reality show where all the producers of all the most egregious reality/talk/game shows were locked in a kitchen with no food (except basic condiments and a -little- bit of staples like flour and oil and such) but lots and lots of shiny equipment, pots, pans, ovens, and sharp pointy knives and cleavers. no time limit. they stay in the kitchen until there is a clear winner.

   it could be like a cross between Iron Chef (guess the secret ingredient!!), Survivor, and Thunderdome!

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 6:35 pm ¶

8. drydock wrote:

   Dyson taking part in this talk show spectacle is obviously one part self-promotion, which he’s known for. But the other part is the element of leftist race politics, primarily welded in academia, that never seems get behind any actual political mobilization.

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 7:10 pm ¶

9. clemence wrote:

   y a t il des extraits vidéos de cette émission ?
   j’aimerais voir l’intervention du monsieur noir.
   merci

   Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 8:34 pm ¶

10. Ariah Fine wrote:

    I didn’t see the whole thing, just the last remarks at the very end. It sounds like Tyra’s heart is in the right place. She really wants to deal with issues of race.
    I agree she might not always do the best job of it, but come on folks, we need to at least first applaud her effort.
    Then, hop on to tyrashow.com and let her know what she can do in the future to make these series more meaningful.

    Posted 05 Feb 2007 at 9:52 pm ¶

11. Colin wrote:

    I understand your point, and there’s a measure of truth in it. Trying to “deal with issues of race”, a good enough phrase for me, is valiant, but that doesn’t mean this is the way to do it. I think your call to giving objection to the show on their site is an active stand, yes, but I worry how much that will affect their decisions to do these sorts of shows in the future.

    And to drydock, I ask what is leftist in this show, and what is especially leftist about not being able to seemingly “get behind any actual political mobilization.”

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 1:04 am ¶

12. Gunfighter wrote:

    Tyra Banks is a beautiful woman.

    Tyra Banks’ television show isn’t worth the time it takes to film it.

    L0ve you, Tyra… but truthfully, I can’t take you seriously.

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 7:47 am ¶

13. drydock wrote:

    “Leftist” in the good sense of the word to me, means actually doing something to improve everyday conditions i.e. via political mobilization. Dyson, who is a leftist, goes on this types of shows for his own self-aggrandizement not for positive political goals.

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 9:09 am ¶

14. Yori Kim wrote:

    Honestly, if you want to help people Tyra-don’t show the whole world their problems and then say : “Lookie here! These people hate their OWN race! Wowies!” (that last part (wowies) was just for fun)

    Besides that……I think Tyra has good intentions (i may be wrong) but she’s not helping at all.

    We all have to look at ourselves. Not the colour of our skin. Not the way we speak. Not the way we walk or talk or eat or look like. We need to look at the inside of ourselves (not literally) and except ourselves for who we are.

    Because the ” I hate my own race thing” is due to extremely low self esteem for themselves (and probably due to their certain upbringing *what their parents taught them to think* or being bullied as a child)

    Please do not take offense as to I did not mean to offend ^-^.

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 2:03 pm ¶

15. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    Well I do give the Tyra Show props for two things:

    1) Recognizing that racism is not just a black and white issue. The Tyra Show has consistently included a diversity of ethnic groups in its shows about race (even Asians, shockingly). That’s much more than I can say for any other TV show that has dealt with the topic, including the supposedly more high-brow Oprah show and that Paula Zahn special on CNN.

    2) Recognizing that racism is not just about the KKK and skinheads and white power music. The Tyra Show has dealt with much more nuanced issues like colorism, racism within communities, racial self-hatred, etc.

    But when they did that oppression olympics special, I lost all hope for them tackling race as anything other than a ratings-grabbing, race-baiting stunt.

    http://tinyurl.com/2awj63

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 2:41 pm ¶

16. Colin wrote:

    I guess, drydock, I don’t want to rock the boat, but I really don’t agree with your claim that Dyson’s a tool. And your definition of leftist is confusing to me. Are leftists self-aggrandizing or not? Even if one is self-aggrandizing, does that invalidate good works we do for a common good? I worry that your thoughts on Dyson are little more than political critiques on a conflicting ideology.

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 4:08 pm ¶

17. eric daniels wrote:

    Carmen yes, we all know that racism is not a black and white issue, but the greatest gulf is between Blacks and Whites in this country. Blacks and Whites are in a “racial cold war” since the late 70’s with Conservative and Liberal politicans playing the race card in many devious ways and talk shows and popular culture mimicking the worse aspects of each race. There is anger and defensiveness by each side and this society is going to have to make a choice.

    I think co-existence is better between Blacks and Whites than some pursuit of racial reconciliation which I think is unrealistic considering 389 years of defacto discrimination. Mixed Marriages or other ethnic groups will not solve the problems of this sorrided realtionship. Tyra’s show is simplisitc and is part of the problem.

    Posted 06 Feb 2007 at 8:45 pm ¶

18. Rob wrote:

    I’m not sure if it’s off topic but I am reading a book, the name escapes me at the moment, which was written by a conservative Latino author.

    After discussing it with my Latino friends to ask their perspective, they said that their families have confirmed what this particular author’s message.

    The message was that the constant debate on racial issues only being viewed through white and black eyes will catch Americans off guard when Latinos, along with Asians, grow in population. As more and more leaders being elected to public office are being held by Latinos and Asians, the power of blacks will diminish because he claims that blacks have been exploiting white guilt in order to force racial discussion. Latinos and Asians come to the table guilt free and will act accordingly.

    Posted 07 Feb 2007 at 11:04 am ¶

19. kim wrote:

    I don’t think that coming to the table guilt-free analysis holds water, unless the Asian and Latin American are completely dispossessed of holding accountable America for its international policies, some of which were probably directly responsible for the wholesale exodus from various points of origins, in order that the people thrive in a global capitalist economy.

    Guilt-free, I find higly suspect. That many “other” groups are seeking, and gaining, political and economic powerblock status, is not to be doubted or dismissed, and is as it should be.

    There are many ways to view the ascension and acculturation of the immigrant and long-standing “other” minority populations up and into the American mainstream, and many things to be examined, borrowed and melded into the African-American’s tactics and strategies for same.

    I won’t bother doing the history lesson, ’cause we all know it, but I do have a question: Rob, for clarification, can you re-word the end of the sentence so I know exactly who it is that will be the agent in this drama, just who it is that will “act accordingly”?

    Posted 07 Feb 2007 at 12:37 pm ¶

20. Chris wrote:

    Anybody have a video link? At least of the black guy and his transformation into the white guy…?

    Posted 07 Feb 2007 at 1:27 pm ¶

21. Rob wrote:

    Roughly put, Latinos and Asians don’t suffer from White Guilt, which the author claims black use to “force” whites to acknowledge them.

    As the Asian and Latino population grows, they’ll evitably hold more government and leadership positions. Since they suffer the stigma of enslaving blacks, they’ll take a more logical “racially driven guilt” perspective when it comes to social programs.

    IE: “I came to this country with $500 and not knowing how to speak the language but I managed to prosper. Blacks already know how to speak the language and, chances are, have more than $500.”

    They don’t “understand” the lingering issues of racism, discrimination, and Jim Crow laws. Sadly, when discussing racism against blacks with them, almost all of the ones I knew in college dismissed them outright and used their parents as a model for their success and the tired respones of “well, if my parents and relatives could do it, why can’t they?”

    Posted 07 Feb 2007 at 1:59 pm ¶

22. Rob wrote:

    Since they DON’T suffer the stigma of enslaving blacks, they’ll take a more logical “racially driven guilt” perspective when it comes to social programs.

    Sorry for the typos.

    Posted 07 Feb 2007 at 2:00 pm ¶

23. kim wrote:

    Let me know if you come up with the title of the book, or the author.

    I know a guy wrote a book, I think called ‘Brown People,’ examining the people of color who span the cultural spectrum, here in the States, and I think his name was Richard someone, so I’ll start with that.

    Let me know.

    Posted 08 Feb 2007 at 12:43 pm ¶

24. Netdiva wrote:

    The problem with saying that Asian Americans and Latinos/as come “guilt free” is that they really aren’t. There is a lot of racism in Latin American with regard to darker hued people and many Asian Americans hold pretty discriminatory views about African Americans as well.

    I say this not as an indictment, but that African Americans are in a truly tough spot right about now. We have lost cohesion among us and the U.S. is becoming an ever increasing multiplicity.

    The people of color of this country really need to build alliances with each other to advance some collective political capital. I’m tired of the bullshit racialized silos that continue to reinforce racist hierarchies.

    Posted 10 Feb 2007 at 10:39 pm ¶

25. kesha wrote:

    whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

    tyra, i don’ t think i like you anymore.

    Posted 16 Feb 2007 at 6:23 pm ¶

26. love the way you are wrote:

    no one in the world can changed their race.any way most races want to be brown as soon as the the sun rises.

    Posted 02 Mar 2007 at 3:08 pm ¶

27. kisha wrote:

    I dont think I understand that.

    Posted 22 Mar 2007 at 12:38 am ¶

28. maritza pelaez wrote:

    Tyra I love your show. I think that you are a great person.

    Posted 02 May 2007 at 6:24 pm ¶

29. msr. Bryson wrote:

    I recently saw a show about skin color and I just wanted to thank you. I have a dark skined child and a light skined child .My dark skined child Victoria sometimes has problems dealing with the fact that she is dark .I as her mother let her know that her skin is beautiful and I think it is there problem not your.So thanks for doing the show on people with lightskin or darkskin which is better,.

    Posted 13 Aug 2008 at 6:43 pm ¶