Study: racist language common among white college students
by Carmen Van Kerckhove
Given the proliferation of “ghetto” and “gangsta” parties, blackface and racist “satirical” student newspaper articles lately, the results of this study come as no great surprise.
From The Associated Press:
A University of Dayton sociologist who analyzed journals kept by 626 white college students found the students behaved substantially differently when they were in the company of other whites than when they were with other races.
Part of the culture?
When the students, who were asked to record their interactions with other people, were alone with other white students, racial stereotypes and racist language were surprisingly common, researcher Leslie Picca found. One student reported hearing the “n-word” among white students 27 times in a single day.The results suggest white students have little sense of shame about racial insults and stereotyping and treat them as simply a part of the culture.
“This is a new generation who grew up watching ‘The Cosby Show,”’ Picca said. “They have the belief that racism isn’t a problem anymore so the words they use and the jokes they tell aren’t racist.”
Picca said she found it “heartbreaking” to see so many well-educated students perpetuating the stereotypes.
Carmen Van Kerckhove is co-founder and president of 
Rob wrote:
Not surprising at all.
I’ve have several white male friends that were sympathetic to minority concerns and they reported that “when minorities are gone, shit comes out.”
Racism among whites hasn’t gotten any better but rather racism is covered up more efficiently.
Instead of using it out in the open, they use it behind closed doors now.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 9:32 am ¶
susanc wrote:
If they’re using that kind of language and perpetuating those stereotypes, I don’t think you can call them “well-educated students.”
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 10:26 am ¶
Rachel wrote:
So true. In my experience, white people are careful about what they say in front of people of color, but it’s shocking how racist they can be when they’re in an all-white group. Of course it also comes out online. Sigh.
I think it’s really dangerous for people to think that we’re somehow in a post-racist society, therefore anything goes.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 10:54 am ¶
Rachel wrote:
Shhhh, some of my students participated in the study.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 11:53 am ¶
P.Moore wrote:
I don’t mean this in some kind of wacky-ironic-sarcastic way, but one of the saddest parts about having a white mother has been hearing the truth about what whites really talk about when no one else is around. Studies like the above never surprise me.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 12:14 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
I found it interesting that the black academics interviewed for that story said the students “were mimicking the kind of outlaw posturing that blacks themselves engage in in rap videos.”
This quote was also interesting:
James Johnson, a black psychology professor at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington who has researched racial attitudes and teaches a seminar on race and prejudice, said he is more discouraged by the rap performers who perpetuate stereotypes than by the “clueless kids” who imitate them.
“In the civil rights movement, you didn’t have blacks who called themselves ‘niggers’ and who called their women ‘bitches’ and ‘whores’ and who glorified being violent and being thugs,” he said. “Now these white kids are kind of confused.”
Isn’t that what I was saying yesterday, only to be called moronic and racist?
I wonder what Eric and others have to say to Dr. Johnson?
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 1:07 pm ¶
gatamala, blkLEADER wrote:
wow jw - you’ve got your “a black guy said it” comment down pat!!!
the “confused” [*koff -bullshit*] whites are using their confusion as in excuse to blatantly utter racist epithets or dress in blackface. Covering up racism can take an extreme toll.
I too, take extreme at offense at these images - b/c of the personal impact. whites using them as an excuse for their racism is an ancillary problem
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 1:33 pm ¶
Kaywil wrote:
The problem is that there seems to be a sense of helplessness when it comes to removing negative images in hip hop. The money and power is controlled outside of the “community”. So to just say that their mimicking without contextualizing does seem to offend some. It’s kind of like saying “Well, you call yourselves N—” It doesn’t matter if I don’t, one black guy on TV or five comedians on stage ‘represents’ the community in their eyes. It’s group-think among blacks, individuals among whites.
Someone commented on the same thing with Obama: “The fascination over Obama seems to be a bit about the idea from the (white) majority believing that minority groups share a brain “he’s black, they’re black so they’ll vote for him”. Then when it appears that the ‘black community’ are not falling over themselves to worship him there needs to be some explanation. The explanation of course being that ‘they’ don’t see him as being really black and has nothing to do with other issues (e.g. he hasn’t been around as long as Clinton).”
I can see why not only white kids mimic, but black kids have done so as well, not knowing or wanting to know that the “rappers” are representing the dominant cultures’ stereotypes and employing people to be their sideshow entertainment. I remember there was a huge uproar when a network wanted to start showing ‘trailer trash’ as a series and of course it got pulled. But then that’s TV and not music.
If blacks could control more of how they are represented in music and the like, I’m sure we’d have seen a lot of hip-pop images squashed before they got a chance to expose themselves. But now it’s too late, as far as I’m concerned. Everybody’s mimicking. Even half way across the world.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 1:46 pm ¶
dcase wrote:
P. Moore,
I know what you are talking about. I have close family members who are often mistaken for white and they say that often co-workers or even complete strangers find it appropriate to say strongly racist things to them about others. Then, they are often contrite when they find out they are indeed black.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 1:51 pm ¶
Kai wrote:
Just Wondering, a majority of Black folks do not go around engaging in “outlaw posturing” or using the n-word and the b-word and toting guns, whether in the burbs or the “ghetto”.
Those negative stereotypes are perpetuated by white-owned corporate mass media, who are in the business of selling shit to a mostly white suburban teenage audience. “Hip hop” is not limited to the glossy corporate pop rap-dancehall-R&B fluff on Viacom.
If some white folks are confused about what they’re seeing in the corporate mass media, so be it. But to blame black folks for that confusion misses the mark. Because if white folks actually had any interest in “Black culture” or the “ghetto”, they would, say, start by learning a thing or two; you know, maybe learn some history; maybe find out about the burgeoning underground of socially-conscious hip hop and indie music; maybe find out about all the serious discussions that are taking place in communities of color; maybe even make some new friends. In other words, if white folks had any interest, the ridiculous stereotypes in their heads could easily be debunked and replaced with knowledge.
Instead, white folks imbibe the white mass media, then claim to have been victimized and led astray by black folks.
Good one.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 2:09 pm ¶
mike wrote:
White people look down on minorities, and talk shit when none are around?
… Is this news?
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 2:26 pm ¶
Rob wrote:
Just Wondering constantly employs the tactic of “it’s everyone else’s fault but mine” argument so I’m not surprised.
Though I agree that hiphop is a bad influence on some individuals, most black people don’t act like that and to blame all the problem on hiphop artists is incorrect.
Like my grandfather always said to me, of most of the problems you’ll face in life, 50% of it is your fault.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 2:38 pm ¶
P.Moore wrote:
Heh.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:07 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
Rob wrote:
Like my grandfather always said to me, of most of the problems you’ll face in life, 50% of it is your fault.
Rob, your grandfather was a wise man.
If anyone truly read what I wrote yesterday in the other thread on this topic, they would know that I condemned what those students did and the insensitive — and yes, racist — way that they behaved.
Even still, I am fascinated by why these parties are popular, and why these young people — supposedly growing up in a more aware time — feel so comfortable acting out in this way.
It’s easy to just say “all white people are racist” and feel good about yourself for putting The Man in his place, but I happen to think the issue is deeper than that.
One element might be — might be — the pervasiveness of rap culture and the frequency with which white youngsters are exposed to negative images of African-Americans via rap.
Rap is often referred to as a “culture” or way of life moreso than any other music in popular history. Does that attitude make young white people feel they have a license to live the “culture” even if it means mocking others?
I don’t know. I was merely making the suggestion. And as the article above makes clear, I’m not the only one (and yes, gatamala, I did point out the experts were black because that should give them some credibility on this topic, right?).
If you disagree, fine. That’s what comments sections are all about.
But Kai, please spare me the sermons about what a majority of black people do or don’t do, or the fact that there are socially conscious rappers, blah, blah, blah. I’ve never written in such absolutes so you are wasting your time. Why don’t you read what I’ve posted rather than jumping to conclusions and lecturing me on tangential issues?
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:16 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
White people look down on minorities, and talk shit when none are around?
I think the question is broader than that.
Do people in general — when they are with others of the same race — talk bad about other races?
Why do Latinos in LA fight gang wars with blacks?
Why are so many black Americans taking such a strong stand against illegal immigration?
Why do the Asian-Americans in my neck of the woods only move into school zones that are predominately white, and move out en masse if that neighborhood becomes home to more African-Americans?
Why do so many black readers of Racialicious insist on stereotyping whites based upon the actions of a few?
I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.
Distrust of other races isn’t limited to white people. To pretend it is may provide you with a temporary feeling of relief –making it easy to spot the “racists” — but it’s a false hope.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:31 pm ¶
P.Moore wrote:
Sure.
What does this question have anything to do with racist white college students?
This is a matter of nationality, unfair representation without taxation, and illegal immigrants breaking the law. What does this have to do with race?
Good question.
This question contradicts your first question, which was to argue that people in general, no matter their race, talk bad about others. You are in a sense, then, agreeing with the stereotyping of whites as being racist on the cool when no one is around.
I cannot speak for other readers of this website, but to get angry at the undeniable reality that many white people (be it college students, Hollywood, politicians, etc.) have racist tendencies is not wrong at all, and to point out that most of the stories tagged as “racist” here usually originate from the white community is not wrong either.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:40 pm ¶
Kai wrote:
Just Wondering, I must have missed whatever thread you previously commented on, so I was responding only to your comment in this thread. Remember, not everyone reads every single post and comment. Your comments have a broader audience.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:43 pm ¶
ren wrote:
Nope, not news at all. And hardly a White phenomenon.
This hardly accounts for news and this barely accounts for a “study”. Considering University of Dayton has 10,000 students and this “study” encompasses all of 626 students (6%)… the methodology is left a bit obscure. Apart from saying racial stereotypes and racist language was common, of the 626 what percentage? What was the length of the study? What was the frequency of racist comments and how much and how often to constitute “surprisingly common?” Did they consider context, the range of hostility and vitriol of stereotypical comments, are these the views of the journal writers or are they referring to racist/stereotypical comments they overheard or told by others? When they heard it what was the reaction, did the groups find it funny, uncomfortable, did the journal writer chastise them, join in, laugh, become embarrassed? If you’re going to print a academic study that can be construed as inflammatory, at least supply some real info. Not some second year graduate student researcher’s opinion, at least talk with the Professor that created the Study.
I say this not as an apologists (relax militants) only as a scientist.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 3:56 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
P. Moore, you so cleverly parsed my comment … and yet managed to avoid any real admission of the reality of race in America.
Congratulations.
Maybe you should have your own blog where you can write long, inflammatory posts bashing Whitey.
Oh, wait. You already do!
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:14 pm ¶
P.Moore wrote:
Lol.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:20 pm ¶
Rob wrote:
Just Wondering, you apparently didn’t understand the whole context of what I was saying.
If all the problems one faces in the world, including racism, is 50% your fault; wouldn’t common sense dictate that whites harbor at least half the blame? I don’t agree that whites should be blamed for everything when it comes to racism but my problem is that whites like to play the “babe in the woods” routine and try to portray themselves as the innocent bystander in the whole situation when, in actuality, they cause many of the problems that make the situation worse.
On top of that, what P. Moore said was completely correct and he exposed a contradiction. If it was agreed that most people of any race are racist behind closed doors, why wouldn’t that hold true that whites are mostly racist?
That would make it seem that you condone stereotypes about minorities but abhor stereotypes about whites.
You know, this reminds me of an interesting topic of whether or not Hollywood is really to blame for racial stereotypes in popular media. The popular reasoning from Hollywood is that they cater to what the core audience (white men) want to see. Black movies are catered directly to black audiences.
So, it stands to mean that white men are racist and don’t like to see minorities in non-stereotypical roles. They like to see themselves as the hero, beat up the minority, and sleep with the minority woman. Now, the white male’s excuse is that Hollywood is racist towards white men because they stereotype white men as racists and think that’s what white men want to see but are actually open to anyone playing a given role.
However, I’m more inclined to give Hollywood more credit. Companies spend billions of dollars a year on research. On top of that, Hollywood is prett much owned and run by white men so they’re willing to bet what other white men like them wish to view.
Face the facts. A majority of whites are racist along with every other race except that white racism affects the American population much more than minority racism as you can just see with the example I used above.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:35 pm ¶
Rob wrote:
When it doubt, personal attacks!
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:36 pm ¶
Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:
Hey everyone, let’s try and keep things civil please. As a reminder:
http://tinyurl.com/25lvwl
Thanks.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:52 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
I don’t see why this is so suprising that they would use racist language. Just because they go to college dosen’t mean they are not ignorant. Remember the founding father were all “educated men” in what they called the “enlightment era ” yet they still thought that black people where property.
It reminds me of in incident at the college I went to. It was karoke at lunch time in this white guy is singing American women then at the part where the song say” I don’t want your gettho ways “he points directly to the table where a groups a black women are sitting . I was on stage with a few People I knew . I was so mad I wanted to grab my umbrella get back on stage and clocked his ingrorant ass!
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 4:55 pm ¶
Jeremy Pierce wrote:
White people look down on minorities, and talk sh*t when none are around? … Is this news?
That depends on what you mean. If the article is correct about its frequency, then it’s news to me. The article says it’s not been like this in past generations, doesn’t it? When I was growing up, race just didn’t come up, period. Occasionally someone would say something like this around me, and my parents or some other adult would usually address the wrongness of it if they were present, but the kids I grew up with would never, ever do anything like this. It just didn’t happen.
It’s not that race wasn’t an issue. It’s that it was a hidden issue due to the normativity of whiteness and the invisibility of race to those with a normative white identity. In the current generation of college students, we have something very different going on. The Cosby explanation in the article may be part of it. I think the widespread attempt to rehabilitate nasty and derogatory language by black people about themselves may be part of the explanation too (not that that justifies of excuses it, but it may partially explain it).
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 5:21 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
If all the problems one faces in the world, including racism, is 50% your fault; wouldn’t common sense dictate that whites harbor at least half the blame?
I agree with you 100 percent … in fact, I’ll say that — as you pointed out — whites shoulder more than half of the blame because of the positions of power they hold.
No argument about that. None at all. In fact, I’ve NEVER argued that point.
However … I have three caveats.
One is that, as I pointed out, racist thoughts or feelings are not unique to white people. There is ample evidence of racism — or at least racial distrust or disharmony — among people of color, too.
The second is that posts such as this one do everyone a disservice by attempting to keep the conversation focused on white racism to the exclusion of exploring topics more deeply.
Carmen finds a link, posts a quick quote, everyone jumps on the bandwagon with their own anecdotes of white racism, and we all go home feeling good about ourselves.
What does that solve? I mean, really …this Dayton study is just out and out foolishness.
Why didn’t Carmen take that same news article and reference the black studies professors and race issue experts making the same point I did yesterday — that rap music and its negative imagery plays a role in these “ghetto” parties?
I don’t know the answer … perhaps she will reply here and explain. But to me the answer looks obvious — it might advance the thinking around the topic but it’s not nearly as neat and clean as continuing the “white people are all racist” meme.
Finally, I know a lot of white people.
I don’t know any who I would consider outwardly racist. Does that mean they don’t have racially motivated thoughts from time to time? I’m sure they do … just as a black or Latino or Asian person does when confronted by the issue of race.
But I think it’s wrong to assume that all white people talk and act in racist ways when alone together. That is simply not the case.
In fact, most white people I know are sensitive to the need for diversity and the importance of being accepting of other cultures. While they may not always say and do the right things, they are far more aware of the need for positive race relations than many African-Americans I encounter, who seem out and out hostile to whites and other minorities — and unapologetic about it because they don’t have to be.
So we still have a long way to go. But we won’t get there any faster by stereotyping whites while complaining about the way they stereotype everyone else.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 5:42 pm ¶
ren wrote:
Absolutely agree Adrianna,
You can be incredibly brilliant and still have really shitty ideas. Case in point Aristotle’s defense of slavery in his appeal to inequality as the foundation of order. Or Plato’s defense of homosexuality (think classical Athens folks - little boys).
Higher education stopped being “Higher” and become a protracted form of high school many years ago.
More importantly, karaoke at lunch? How awesome is that… I went to the wrong school.
Nevertheless… As all Asians know well, karaoke, brings out the worst in all of us.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 5:51 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
Jeremy wrote:
In the current generation of college students, we have something very different going on
Bingo! I agree with this 100 percent. And this is what I was getting at yesterday.
No one in my generation would have done what they are doing at these parties, and that’s a common refrain I’ve heard from others. Yet as a generation, they are supposed to be so much more comfortable with diversity.
It’s obvious that they feel empowered to act out and talk in racially charged ways. Why is that? Is it because they feel there is no racism anymore, as the article suggested? Is it because they see these same images all the time, and feel comfortable role playing for awhile?
They seem geniunely surprised that people would take offense when anyone looking at those photos can see that it is wrong. I don’t think they are stupid — well, some of them may be, but I think there is a deeper reason for their behavior that should be explored.
I also think the subject of how universities should deal with this is something that needs more realistic discussion. It’s a daunting task to try and corral behavior on a campus with thousands of students, but there is too much at stake to sit back and do nothing.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 5:54 pm ¶
squidfly wrote:
American racism is a product of cultural Imperialism, the need for whiteness to stay relevant in the face of it’s own illigitimacy. American whiteness is unique in that, it really has no defining boundaries, for example what is white culture? Pasta, Classical Music, Turkey Day? Hollywood has taught white America how to be white, how to act white, dress white, behave white, respond to whiteness, how to respond to non-whites. Since the country is an amalgam of so called white immigrants, who arrived in the last century from Europe, there had to be some ground rules, to “Pass” for white, or get the white thing right, Hollywood did that for them. Whenever my Jewish friends tell me that they are white, I respond with “Jews aren’t white” Your not WASPS, and why would you want to be part of a group that’s spent a few hundred years trying to extinguish you? Whiteness has always been in flux, being white is confusing because they have no cultural center. Black Americans, repeatedly give white America it’s cultural riches, music, dance, story, inspiration etc.
Whiteness is problamatic for white people, that’s why white people have become everyone else’s problem, whiteness is the troubled, confused child that won’t listen, because compared to all the other olde world cultures, whiteness is “The Child”
There is nothing more boring and telling than a TV show, play or movie depicting white middle class angst, once again Hollywood giving white people their emotional cues.
If the only thing that white folks have in common is to make racist statements when Black folk aren’t around, then it’s only a matter of time before the cannibal starts to eat himself, the dirty little secret is white people don’t really like each other. You should hear the things people say to me about other white people, and it’s all about class.
Whiteness is a house of straw, built on stolen land poisoned by Centuries of Historical lies and denial.
Racism isn’t a Black problem, it’s a white problem. If Black people didn’t exsist then white people would have to invent them.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 6:08 pm ¶
justin wrote:
Hey Just Wondering, I would feel a bit better if you could share some anecdotes about how Black, Asian and Latino racism effects you, so we know you’re not following the ‘I’m not racist, you’re the racist’ line of reasoning.
I will pay more attention to your comments if you do that for me.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 6:18 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
Squidfly:
Whiteness is a house of straw, built on stolen land poisoned by Centuries of Historical lies and denial.
Your post is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read … and racist, to boot.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 7:03 pm ¶
Just Wondering wrote:
Justin wrote:
I would feel a bit better if you could share some anecdotes about how Black, Asian and Latino racism effects you …
Justin … I am not trying to say that my experiences are worse than anyone else’s, and certainly not on par with some episodes of racism that I hear or read about. But they are real nonetheless.
1) My daughter attends a high school that is majority Asian-American. There have been numerous incidences where she has heard negative, racially based comments from Asian-Americans about white or black students’ inability to perform scholastically. The term “Asian Power” is often used by these students as a way of expressing their superiority over others.
2) An Asian-American student told my daughter that she could not come to a party at our house because her parents didn’t allow her to socialize with white people.
3) As I mentioned in an earlier comment, I have personally seen neighborhoods that were heavily Asian-American “clear out” when black families began moving in. This is not a personal affront to me, but an example that “white flight” isn’t limited to white people.
4) I often encounter black employees at retail establishments or in customer service positions who are rude and condescending to white or other minority customers (while being helpful to black customers). This type of anti-white behavior is well-known among white people (and the most common racial problem I hear white people talk about).
5) I have a family relative who attends a majority black school and as a minority there, she is frequently targeted for ridicule and has even been threatened with physical harm because she is white.
6) One of my children was also targeted at school because she was white, by black students who stole her purse and laughed about it while they took the money out and ran off.
These are just a few of the situations I’ve encountered in recent years. I hope they give you some insight into the types of racism I believe exist outside the traditional “whites against everyone else” stereotype.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 7:22 pm ¶
Meg wrote:
Carmen - did your “racial spies” act as informants for this study
I think you might need to bring that back to addicted to race…….
>P.Moore wrote:
I don’t mean this in some kind of wacky-ironic-sarcastic way, but one of the saddest parts about having a white mother has been hearing the truth about what whites really talk about when no one else is around. Studies like the above never surprise me.
Yes i had a total lack of surprise with this study (except for n** 27 times a day - wtf). It’s not a black/white (or american) dynamic for me but if i had a dollar for everytime i got a “don’t worry, you don’t look like one of them…..” i could retire. People genuinely see it as a compliment and then proceed to piss and moan about some other group taking their jobs, ruining the neighbourhood, etc. It also becomes a case of if you’re offended by a comment, but not seen as part of that group, then you’re a bleeding-heart, pc, tree-hugging, idiot who has no right to speak out against ignorant attitudes.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 7:58 pm ¶
squidfly wrote:
Just Wondering wrote:
What does one expect from someone calling themselves JUST WONDERING. I was just wondering, why you sound like whiny victim…I was just wondering why you seem to lack any sense of Historical perspective, and I was just wondering why you chose to cut and paste my post out of context…just wondering…why?
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 8:30 pm ¶
ren wrote:
1) My daughter attends a high school that is majority Asian-American. There have been numerous incidences where she has heard negative, racially based comments from Asian-Americans about white or black students’ inability to perform scholastically. The term “Asian Power” is often used by these students as a way of expressing their superiority over others.
Oh the humanity! Not, commenting on somebody’s inability to perform scholastically! If that’s the major case of minority racism in her school, I’m guessing her school isn’t named after a dead president. Probably some very rich old dead white guy.
Not dissing you Just Wondering, it definitely wounds the self-esteem to hear such a comment. I’m just unprepared for what constitutes as racism in the lives of many people.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 8:31 pm ¶
squidfly wrote:
Just Wondering, I have to say, you are a Passive Agressive White Person, and I don’t believe your post.
When are you going to admit, White America is obsessed with Blackness, it’s called Negrophillia.
Your not so subtle comments are ignorant and ill informed. You sound as though your an authority on Blacks. Ironic you generalize about Asians and Blacks, then you call me a racist…typical. I was just laying out my experience after decades of living, mingling, working, studying with white folks.
White Supremacy is real, it’s not a fiction. If your Black you have RSP, Racist Sensory Perception…it’s just the way it is. JUST WONDERING, remember the old slogan from a few years back, “It’s a Black Thing, You Wouldn’t Understand” It seems like you don’t understand.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 8:46 pm ¶
justin wrote:
Thanks just wondering,
it does help to individualise things. I think what’s happened to your family is terrible but I also think what they faced is actually a kind of de facto social power which is different from the oppression experienced by minorities. Are you familiar with the concept of ‘hegemony’, who is dictating the terms of trade, is it possible to do that with out the invisible privilege?
I think, sure, Asian Americans can run from Black People but they can only gather together against the White majority. So, I guess what is racist to you might be solidarity for me.
Posted 02 Feb 2007 at 8:57 pm ¶
Adrianna` wrote:
Ren you would not like my school it’s a segregated place. Where people stickto their “own” But yeah Kareoke at lunch is awesome.
I think we all know that people of color can in fact be racist against other people of color and whites . It’s not surprising My country of Haiti is the perfect example Of course we choose not to discuss this ugliness so we act like fools.I was having a conversation with some member of my family and they seem to believe that racism is dead and gone, but then again they don’t go out much. I think that squidfly is right when he say that some white feel that there is no such thing as white culture. Not true I think . They are the dominant culture ! What I think is irresponsible is those studies who show the obvious. O my God a bunch white kids use racist language how heartbreaking blah blah. Of course they some have never been around people of color in their life. We might as well be unicorns. I mean I live in upstate New York and believe me some of these kids have never left their neck of the wood. I f you are a foreigner, black and white segregates themselves from you. if you are white you segregate yourself from blacks .I go to my cafeteria and that ’s what I see. I worked with a cultural club and we tried to extend a hand to other student forget it. Maybe we bite! I don’t know what it is.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 12:24 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Just wondering is a condesending white guy who wants to justify racism amongst those students. So much angst Just, you still didn’t answer any of my questions about white morality in Amerikkkan culture from Paris Hilton to Marilyn Manson and George Bush and why they are such heroes in white america.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 1:45 am ¶
merq wrote:
what, no list this time?
I keed, eric. I keed
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 3:14 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Yo Eric: in general, the best way to get people on their side is NOT to insult themselves or their family.
So lay off white people, OK? My MOTHER does not think that Hilton to Marilyn Manson and even George Bush (whome she voted for at least the first time - she won’t fess up to her vote in 2004) are HEROES for crissake. Are you gonna tell me she’s not part of “white” culture? Or that she’s a radical exception? In my world, the people who place any celebrity up there as a role model are due for a shock once that very public person ends up having a flaw or fall from grace (or in the case of your admittedly repugnant celebrity examples, is known for nothing BUT their flaws).
Bottom line: not EVERY white person is out to get minorities, not EVERY white person is clueless, ignorant, or part of “Amerkkka.”
I’m sorry white people have evidently hurt you and yours. But if you don’t want to be lumped together with every ethnic minority who does something wrong, then don’t lump all white people together either!
KThxbye!
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 5:39 am ¶
Gretchen wrote:
squidfly…i can’t say anything except that you’re the dumbest of the dumb. saying anything besides that would be a waste of my time.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 10:01 am ¶
cho wrote:
SO far I have witnessed all teenagers of any color use the gangsta language and call each other the n word. It is the older generation that does not but is accused behind closed doors of doing just that meaning what they see the teenagers do they claim all blacks engage in this stereotype language. That the white people don’t want to be educated about what blacks can be, have been or will be in the future they love stereotyping because it makes them feel superior.
Blacks have never until recently had any money power or tv power until recently and selling out may have been better than not making a living at all.
The lines are being drawn and it sounds more like war than a coming together which MLK desired. Malcolm X wanted a unity also at the end of his life and he said that our country would be torn apart if we didn’t achieve it but it looks more like war than peace coming.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 2:01 pm ¶
Bill wrote:
Hey racists! Check this out…
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_5131728
The Caucasian people are ready to accept your apology at this time… I’m sure Carmen and the other 20-something “expert” will have some way of blaming this on the Caucasian victims no? Accept it, the largest number of racists in this country can be found in the MINORITY COMMUNITY! You people are so damned racist there isn’t enough space on this site to explain it all. As I said, we are ready for your apology at this time.
Your friend,
Bill
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 6:38 pm ¶
fgs_sfdg wrote:
Holy Crap! Bill just dropped a R-bomb.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 6:46 pm ¶
ren wrote:
My dearest Bill,
As a Korean American allow me to be the first to apologize to Caucasians and to you specifically Bill for the emotional turmoil you must have undergone reading that news clipping. No doubt as you pored over the printed words, you could feel every stinging kick and jab of Asian American indignation upon the cowering form of a victimized white populace. Why are they so angry and hate-filled you ask? Is it the glorification of human misery in Korean Dramas or the angry lyrics in K-pop? I wish I could blame those things for our evident lack of remorse and disregard for the welfare of others… as it seems our pervasive culture proves to enforce only the most negative aspects and badly influence the suceptible minds of the Asian American populace… but considering we Asians are the most minority of the minority, thus follows we are the most racist community, which I believe is clearly evident by our ruthlessness. My most humble and heartfelt regret for the trauma you have suffered under our brutal regime. With our condolences I would like to offer you 10% off all of your future liquor sales.
Your buddy,
Ren
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 7:42 pm ¶
Bill wrote:
“… considering we Asians are the most minority of the minority, thus follows we are the most racist community, which I believe is clearly evident by our ruthlessness. ” (Ren)
I hear ya brother. One time I walked into this Korean grocery store and I could’ve sword that this Asian lady was trying to stab me with one of those Bok Choy cabbage things (the leaves can be produce a very severe paper cut, or so I’ve been told).
P.S.) Do you have a brother named “Stimpy”?
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 8:53 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Fuck You Bill and the moral horse you rode in on, The judge will give these black kids the maximim sentence for beating up college- educated white women. I get tired of white boys like you saying we are the ‘real racists’ because some blacks hate white people to the core of their souls. Yes we are more racist because after 389 years of being patient white this society ‘you people’ (and yes I said ‘you people’) continue to racist no- good bastards, So this society reaps what it sowed.
Lyonside, yes I sterotyped white america because ‘Just Wondering’ sterotyped Hip- Hop culture and excusing behavior by these students that would get codemned if a black student group invited the new “Black Panthers’ and Malik Shabazz or Lenorad Jefferies. He was the one who quoted a black shrink to booster his argument which is typical of white conservatives. I am sorry you think I sterotyped white people(many of your relatives) but seeing those party pics those white students throwing ‘ghetto parties’ if many of these posters want to critique in their view ‘black culture’ then they opened up the debate.
Whites in this country can’t have it both ways using Bill Cosby and Spike Lee and insert any black conservative leaders words against black people and then get insulted when I say the same thing about Punk and Metal culture (which is far more violent and racist) and they choose to be silent deflect blame when I using white cultural icons and their hypocrisy. I never have seen any black kids being inspired by bands like..
Metallica
Judas Preist
NIN
Slayer
KDFM
Marilyn Manson
and go on killing sprees , rob graves of small children, desrcrate Jewish cemerteries and listen to this music to kill their fellow students. All those groups (except Slayer) I am a fan of their music. They would just aviod their own morality and I am not playing that. If whites can dish intellectual punishment they can sure expect to take some back.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:14 pm ¶
Bill wrote:
Uh… Eric? What part of Sub-Saharan Africa does the “Daniels” tribe occupy?
…
But I do thank you for proving my point Eric, and as soon as America is divided up into several different countries based on racial ethnicity you can go back to wearing animal skins and pissing in your own drinking water. Just remember this though, when the going gets tough we won’t be taking any calls from the Daniels tribe okay? Good luck to you Eric. You’re gonna need it.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:27 pm ¶
fgs_sfdg wrote:
Easy Eric.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:29 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Fuck You Bill and the moral horse you rode in on, The judge will give these black kids the maximim sentence for beating up college- educated white women. I get tired of white boys like you saying we are the ‘real racists’ because some blacks hate white people to the core of their souls. So one should expect that some Afro- Americans are more racist because after 389 years of being patient for racial peace in this society, ‘you people’ (and yes I said ‘you people’) continue to be racist no- good bastards, So this society reaps what it sowed and it deserves to drown in it’s own bile.
Lyonside, yes I sterotyped white america because ‘Just Wondering’ sterotyped Hip- Hop culture and excusing behavior by these students that would get codemned if a black student group invited the new “Black Panthers’ and Malik Shabazz or Lenorad Jefferies. He was the one who quoted a black shrink to booster his argument which is typical of white conservatives. I am sorry you think I sterotyped white people(many of your relatives) but seeing those party pics those white students throwing ‘ghetto parties’ if many of these defenders want to critique in their view ‘black culture’ then they opened up the debate on culture.
Whites in this country can’t have it both ways using Bill Cosby and Spike Lee and insert any black conservative leaders words against black people and then get insulted when I say the same thing about Punk and Metal culture (which is far more violent and racist) and they choose to be silent and deflect blame when I using white cultural icons and their hypocrisy. I never have seen any black kids who listen to Hip- Hop being inspired like White kids who into bands like..
Metallica
Judas Preist
NIN
Slayer
KDFM
Marilyn Manson
and go on killing sprees , rob graves of small children, desrcrate Jewish cemerteries and listen to this music to kill their fellow students. All those groups I mentioned (except Slayer) I am a fan of their music. These people would just avoid their own cultural morality and I am not playing that. If whites can dish intellectual punishment they can sure expect to take some back. We may be part of the human race, but white amerikkkans want to use ‘black guilt’ to keep blacks on the defensive.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:30 pm ¶
Bill wrote:
You’re right, there is no “Daniels” tribe in sub-saharan Africa. It was an oxymoron. You’re an American after all. Now gimme a hug my brother.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:37 pm ¶
fgs_sfdg wrote:
“and as soon as America is divided up into several different countries based on racial ethnicity…”
Slippery slope, Bill. If the US is divided by race, what next? IQ within each race? What will happen to you? I do hope the smarter whites will supply your ilk with enough helmets.
Weren’t you the guy who was obssessed with slavery in the Roman empire?
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:38 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
This comment has been deleted by the moderator. I will not tolerate any threats of violence on this blog.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 9:41 pm ¶
Bill wrote:
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Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 10:01 pm ¶
Latino Pundit wrote:
Like other races don’t do the same…no surprises.
Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 10:09 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
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Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 10:10 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
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Posted 03 Feb 2007 at 10:23 pm ¶