The Daily Princeton’s Rosie Carolla defense of Lian Ji op-ed

by guest contributor Jeff Yang

Hot on the heels of that whole Rosie mess, some of you may have heard of the flap over the Daily Princetonian’s publication of a parody op-ed, supposedly from a student named “Lian Ji,” in their annual “joke edition” of the student paper. Here’s a brief excerpt from “Princeton University Is Racist Against Me, I Mean, Non-Whites”:

Hi Princeton! Remember me? I so good at math and science. Perfect 2400 SAT score. Ring bells? Just in cases, let me refresh your memories. I the super smart Asian. Princeton the super dumb college, not accept me. I get angry and file a federal civil rights complaint against Princeton for rejecting my application for admission.

And yeah, the spelling and broken English goes on. And on. And on. Along with references to doing laundry, working railroads, dog eating, etc.

That said, it wasn’t the op-ed alone that goosed my gander–it was the post-publication spin. Faced with a firestorm of controversy over the supposed satire, the Daily Princetonian’s Managing Board (who collaboratively wrote the op-ed) responded with an editor’s note of surpassing arrogance:

Since publishing Wednesday’s joke issue, we have learned that some of our readers were offended by a column satirizing Asian stereotypes. The response surprised us: We did not seek to offend, and we sincerely regret having upset some of our readers.

Many criticisms of the column, however, do not recognize its purpose. Using hyperbole and an unbelievable string of stereotypes, we hoped to lampoon racism by showing it at its most outrageous. We embraced racist language in order to strangle it. At its worst, the column was a bad joke; at its best, it provoked serious thought about issues of race, fairness and diversity.

The column in question was penned by a diverse group of students — including several Asians on our senior editorial staff — who had no malicious intent. Given our purpose, we are deeply troubled by and reject the allegation of racism.

We welcome debate about our column, especially in the pages of this newspaper. We hope our readers will see the column for what it is.

Chanakya Sethi ‘07, editor-in-chief; Christian Burset ‘07, Neir Eshel ‘07, Anna Huang ‘07, Nancy Khov ‘07, Alex Maugeri ‘07, Tom Senn ‘07 and Ellen Young ‘07, Editors, 130th Managing Board”

Now, okay, these are kids. They have room to grow and learn. Most of them will go into fields that have little to do with media or entertainment or journalism. But regardless of what industry they decide to join, they’ve got to understand that this kind of post facto rationalization, what one might term the Rosie Carolla Defense, never flies.

“We have learned…the response surprised us”? Uh…guys, you couldn’t have guessed that some of your readers would be offended? How tone-deaf can you possibly be? Dave Chappelle and Sasha Baron Cohen and other line-pushing comics can be offensive (though arguably, that’s in service of a larger message they’re trying to convey); they are, however, absolutely aware that in doing so some, if not all, of their viewers will be offended. That’s their job as humorists–to get people uncomfortable, so that they have an emotional reactin (and if they learn something, cool–but at least they won’t walk out with the same blank sheet of paper they walked in with). Bottom line: Don’t write any reality checks you don’t have the cojones to cash, comprende?

Sadly, the DP Board failed to even think it through that far–they just assumed that everyone would get it, because, you know, Princetonians are funny. Like Bill Bradley, he’s hilarious. And Brooke Shields. My sides hurt.

And then there’s the creative un-apology that follows: “Many criticisms of the column, however, do not recognize its purpose…we hoped to lampoon racism by showing it at its most outrageous. We embraced racist language in order to strangle it. At its worst, the column was a bad joke; at its best, it provoked serious thought about issues of race, fairness and diversity.”

Reading this made my teeth ache. Translation: “You didn’t laugh, because you didn’t understand/have no sense of humor/are dumb and ugly and should die.”

Once more, the Rosie Carolla Defense rears its ugly head. Why is it always the least subtle, least inventive, most humor-challenged “comedians” who accuse other people of not having a sense of funny? Worse yet, these kids didn’t just see their essay as thigh-slappin’ high-larious. It was also supposed to “provoke serious thought”…good grief.

The editorial continues with some ethnic figleafing (noting that there are several Asians on the senior edit staff, including, presumably, the editor in chief) and then this kicker: “Given our purpose, we are deeply troubled by and reject the allegation of racism.”

Highfalutin’ SAT words, but again, all in service of the Rosie Carolla Defense. First they apologize for hurting your feelings. Then they imply that if your feelings are hurt, it’s because you suck. Then they say their feelings were hurt because you called them on their crap. Then they reject your argument out of hand, because, you know, it’s not what they said, it’s what they intended that matters.

Or, to put it another way: “I didn’t mean to crush your head with this two-by-four. I meant to tickle you with it, even though I swung it with both hands as hard as I could and aimed at your temple. The reason you didn’t laugh is because you have a thin skull. And I reject your allegation that you were hurt, because it was not my intent to cause you multiple fractures and brain damage. Finally, by accusing me of hurting you, you hurt my feelings, so really, I’m the victim here–beeyotch!”

The note’s conclusion, referring to the board’s “regrettable mistake” (e.g., believing that other people had as brilliant a sense of humor as themselves) and requesting a “constructive debate on race and race-related issues” is, like most Rosie Carolla un-apologies, too little and too late:

“We threw a grenade into an outhouse, and now we want to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’ in the flying fecal matter that has erupted. This guy Jian Li has submitted a suit against the college with the Department of Education. People are already pissed off in 15 directions, at all levels of the administration and faculty and student body. Some Asians think Li has a point. Some think he’s a cancer. Lots of white people think exactly what the op-ed piece seemed to suggest–that Asians like Li don’t belong, because they get good grades but have no soul, or something. And as the Managing Board of the official daily newspaper of the Princeton campus, we’ve decided that the best way to create an ‘opportunity…for constructive debate’ is to run this joke op-ed. Tiger pride, yo! Reprazent!”

Am I being too tough on these kids? Remember that, after the Michael Richards N-bomb flap, Malcolm Gladwell, of “Blink” and “Tipping Point” fame, used his blog to outline a framework for determining if a statement is genuinely racist (I smell a book coming on, Mal). He brings it down to three factors:

  • Content: “What is said clearly makes a difference. I think, for example, that hate speech is more hateful the more specific it is. To call someone a n—-r is not as a bad as arguing that black people have lower intelligence than whites.”
  • Intention: “Was the remark intended to wound, or intended to perpetuate some social wrong? Was it malicious?”
  • Conviction: “Does the statement represent the individual’s considered opinion?”

By these standards, the DP Managing Board gets a pass, right?

I think Gladwell’s being reductive, which is, of course, his stock in trade: Simple, universalist answers to highly complex questions.

What he doesn’t take into account is that racism isn’t solely the province of the speaker; it is shaped by context and colored by the nature of the audience. Assuming that our goal is a civil society, we have a responsibility to understand and acknowledge the reasons why others might see harm in our actions or statements; the harm may not be intended, but if, as the DP Managing Board suggests, flaps such as this offer an opportunity for advancing the dialogue around race and stereotype–well, isn’t a dialogue by definition a two-way street? You can’t categorically “reject” one party’s position, then call for an open debate, can you?

For future Rosie Carollas, here’s my personal set of metrics around race and humor–your mileage may vary. Quantifying what’s funny and what’s offensive is always tricky and sometimes dangerous, as one of my friends pointed out. For instance, most definitions of pornography tend to fall on “you know it when you see it”…not, uh, that I’ve ever seen it.

But I submit the following as thought starters, if not necessarily rules of engagement–at the least, these are things people should consider before busting out with a questionable and potentially inflammatory statement:

  1. If you’re using humor as a way of pushing people to think about a situation, by illuminating foibles or disconnects between and within racial groups, you should get some leeway (if not a blank check). I would put a lot of Dave Chappelle’s stuff in here, especially things like his “Racial Draft” sketch and his “black Ku Klux Klan member” skit. It’s uncomfortable to watch some of it, there’re things going on that some people might take offense at, but you get the larger point of the parody–there’s a message beyond “look how stupid/cheap/crude/lame etc. [insert ethnic group] is! HAW!”An offensive statement or caricature may just be one stop toward a final destination, and we owe artists, performers, and other creatives some elasticity before jumping on the racism wagon. The problem with Rosie O’ Donnell, Adam Carolla, and their ilk is that their jokes tend to be either thoughtless or ad hominem, and they compound their problems with weeks of pathetic, defensive spin.
  2. As a kind of addendum to point 1, if you are a member of the racial group you’re satirizing, you are in a better position to illuminate said foibles or disconnects–it’s at the least a more defensible position, and probably a more informed one. Arguably, it’s a position of privilege. I would say that the latter is probably true if you’re a member of an ethnic group satirizing that ethnic group in front of a private audience of fellow members of that ethnic group–the room for misinterpretation or unfortunate repurposing is narrowed. Not everyone would agree with this, but it’s a practical issue on some level, not a political one.
  3. Being funny helps. Again, it’s not a blank check, but at the least, if diverse audiences find what you’re doing hilarious, at least there’s some kind of utility to your shtick, right?
  4. If it’s a novel take on a topic or situation, well, again, no “get out of jail free,” but at least you can stake a claim to breaking new ground. For instance, if someone were to do a sketch about how all Asian men are sexual dynamos, capable of incredible feats of erotic prowess–well, hey, I haven’t seen that before. It’s a caricature, but it’s a new caricature. I personally would not be that offended.
  5. Power matters. Sorry. It just does. It’s not the same thing when a white, educated, upper-class person makes fun of a nonwhite, less educated, working class person as vice versa.

By these standards, where does the DP’s “joke op-ed” stand?

  • On point 1., I’d give them a thumbs down. I can’t for the life of me see what the larger point of the piece was, or how it’s meant to interrogate or satirize stereotypes–I think most readers of any race would assume that the piece is if anything satirizing, you know, Asian people, and in particular, Jian Li, the Yale student who’s suing Princeton for reverse discrimination. (The broken English is a big, red X, for one.) This guy Jian Li got a perfect score on his SATs, and he’s going to frickin’ Yale. Now, say what you will about Yale’s quality of education, but no one’s going there who doesn’t have basic command of, like, articles and prepositions.
  • Point 2., also a fail. Sure, there are Asians who are part of the ed board, but that doesn’t absolve the non-Asians, and if anything, it makes you kind of wonder what Anna Huang and Chanakya Sethi (and maybe Tom Senn and Ellen Young, who knows) were thinking. This is a piece that was going out under the banner of the Princetonian, and from there, to the world. It should have been read from that perspective before publication–that’s the responsibility of an editorial board. When we print this, how, objectively, will it be read and interpreted? What is our message? Is it getting across?If they truly wanted to satirize the Jian Li issue (and the larger notion of Asian “whiz kid” stereotypes), why not write a fake op-ed by, say, a doped-out slacker Asian American dude who’s spent the last four years smoking pot and surfing, got straight Ds and 600 on his SATs, but still claims to have been rejected from both Princeton and La Jolla Community College because of “reverse discrimination”? (Though naturally, Yale still accepted him. Rimshot!)
  • Point 3. and 4., two more thumbs down. The gags they use are unfunny. Old as rice. And ultimately, at least from my perspective, lame.
  • Point 5. Well, Jian Li is far from a poor, uneducated, unable-to-defend-himself individual, but the way the piece is written, it has a distinctly anti-immigrant note to it. The bad fake accent, the “My mom from same province as General Tso. My dad from Kung Pao province” lines, Ugh. When you can’t tell parody from racist propaganda, it’s time to think hard about what you’re doing.

As the puppets in Avenue Q say, “Everyone’s a Little Bit Racist.” But if you’re smart and you put a foot in it, you admit it, you apologize, you learn something, you move on–you don’t jump on a high horse and accuse others of being dense.

If you’re not smart, and apparently there’s a lot of dumb floating around on Ivy League campuses, you do the Rosie Carolla thing, and turn a tempest in a teapot into Katrina 2.0.

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Comments

  1. Rob wrote:

    The format for an “apology” is nothing new.

    In order to sit on a high horse for so long, you need a good saddle and their saddle just happens to pin the blame on you, rather than them.

  2. mtevc wrote:

    Pitiful! The old “I am one of them so it can’t be stupid and racist” defense. The sad part is that the Asian-American students on the editorial board are naive enough to think that this is humor, and that many folks don’t really believe what they wrote. It’s funny how college newspapers at elite schools tend to get into these problems over and over again. We can cite a ton of examples. Any idea why folks? If whites are so angry about Asians taking their spots, and if whites are also angry about affirmative action, then they just need to spend some time actually volunteering as an alum and interviewing propspective students for an elite private college or university, or they need to spend time working in admissions. After interviewing and seeing a bit of it (for my unnamed alma mater) and listening to friends from other top schools, the legacies (children of alums) and those who have deep deep pockets (and can pay for the entire ride), always get brownie points, and often get in, when they aren’t really the sharpest tacks in the box. What do these folks offer the school or the world, for that matter? My school’s newspaper was also involved in a flap. Seems the bored editor of the paper needed to uncover “something,” and there wasn’t anything to uncover. So, he decided to bust into the black students union meeting. Now, the official meetings are closed to members…there are no restrictions on membership, and at the time, the membership included black students, multiracial students and a few white students. He ended up making an issue out of nothing, and was told he could come to a meeting if he wanted to join…no, no…so instead, he pushed his way in, and pushed into a very lovely and soft spoken professor, who wouldn’t hurt a fly…all of this snowballed out of control, and he ended up writing about it, and making it seem like the black students union had something to hide. It really all was about respect. And, it was obvious…he had no respect for the black students. And, for those students at Princeton, the same holds. The Asian-American students on the editorial board have no respect for themselves. I am sure they made their parents proud of them…doing wonderful things there at college!

  3. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    Excellent posting, Jeff. This issue comes up often in the Native American field. People write an essay or tell a “joke” using Native stereotypes, then defend themselves by saying they were just poking fun at the stereotypes. As I usually respond, if you can’t tell the difference between stereotyping and “poking fun at stereotypes,” there is no difference.

    See “It’s Just a [Fill in the Blank]” for my limited critique of this point. In this case, [fill in the blank] would be “satire.” Since you nailed the subject, I hope to use a few of your arguments eventually.

  4. Kai wrote:

    *sigh*

    The pervasive racism in our pop culture has clearly twisted the heads of these Princeton kids. They just can’t tell the difference anymore between racism and humor, are indeed shocked that such a difference exists, and “reject” the notion that their own work falls on the side of racism, not humor.

    Theirs is the worst non-apology ever. I mean, Rosie and Carolla were bad, but they’re idiots who were simply pumping out disingenuous PR for career damage-control. The Princeton piece has a haughtier tone, is more elaborately ignorant, and just plain stinks with seriously bad writing (e.g. thinking that authors get to define their own work “at its best” and “at its worst”). The kicker is that it “rejects” (?!) the allegation of racism, as if Michael Richards can also “reject” the idea that screaming the n-word at black folks is racist and Mel Gibson can “reject” the notion that he’s anti-semitic just because he was drunk. This is how ignorant college-educated people of color have become about racism in this country. A pathetic state of affairs.

    Anyway, an excellent response by Jeff Yang.

  5. Lyonside wrote:

    >People write an essay or tell a “joke” using Native stereotypes, then defend themselves by saying they were just poking fun at the stereotypes.

    My humor button must just be old and rusted, but wouldn’t a joke that DEFIES the stereotypes be poking fun? Like the car(?) commercials where someone makes a statement about another person (a black guy in the one I remember), and the black guy is like, “What, just because I’m a XX car owner, I’m supposed to be good at dancing?” or something like that… the AUDIENCE is expecting the racial joke, but the commercial substitutes the car instead.

  6. kim wrote:

    The response by Yang nailed it, and his response should be what is at the center of any larger media storm that will result from the publication of the faux op-ed. Let that be what is disseminated and digested. Instead…

    When you note that many of the writers of the op-ed piece are graduating this year, you must consider the publicity stunt value they knew would attach, to catapult their names to the top of the heap, and distinguish themselves from the rest of the Lian Ji’s and Robert Herrmann’s and Jennifer Fenner’s of the world.

    And it will work.

  7. MizuWari wrote:

    The “Rosie Carolla” Defense is a GREAT term…it’s almost as good as the collective reverse-engineering of that former senator’s name “santorum” as a referencing noun of unsavory fecal matter during a certain sex act.

    Patent the dibs for that term while you can…methinks we’ll be seeing quite a LOT of that kinda defense this year!

  8. Jay wrote:

    Unfortunately, most people are going to point to Jian Li’s complaint and says that excuses them from everything racial that they throw at all Asians (not just him - dozens upon dozens of comments on how Asians are segregated and don’t do anything other than study and classical music.).

    Hope in humanity just died a little here.

  9. girl stop wrote:

    Last weekend my partner and I watched the detective fiction spoof “Murder By Death,” in which Peter Sellers infamously plays Sidney Wang, a character based on Charlie Chan (and who is revealed to be biracial at the end). We both agreed that the portrayal was so offensive that we couldn’t tell–and it didn’t matter–what the filmmakers intended. I think it’s virtually impossible to “send up” a stereotype that’s still being actively perpetuated.

    And as for those Princeton students–I went to Princeton, and though it’s been 20 years I recognize that arrogance. Cut them no slack. They are among the most privileged and educated people in the world. They deserve less of a pass than anyone.

  10. atlasien wrote:

    I’ll put up with all kinds of vicious insults against Asians, as long as the joke is funny. I didn’t even see a joke in that Princeton thing. It was just one long drawn-out “bleh”. Horrible.

    Here is an example of some real Asian self-deprecating black humor. I ran across it recently and boy is it funny. It fits all the 5 points as well:

    1. makes you think 2. written by Asian 3. funny 4. unique and creative 5. equal-opportunity insults to all groups, including the most powerful

    http://www.thefighting44s.com/article.php?id_art=47

  11. Jay wrote:

    Heh, Dialectic outwrites all of them. On a bad day.

  12. Kenny wrote:

    Hey, I’m not a Princeton student, but here’s something I wrote against this person at Harvard who actually defends the Daily Princetonian. I’ve put the article link below.

    Thank you,

    Respectfully,

    Kenny

    While I tend to ignore stupid race based humor, I find it extremely disconcerting that Asian Americans, if they really are Asian Americans posting, that defend this particular article. It now explains why Asian Americans can’t get anything done when it comes to progress as a community.

    The stereotypes are old and boring. Yes, racial satire can be enjoyable and downright funny but I didn’t detect that in this particular article in the Daily Prince.

    All I received from the particular article was just a collection of Asian stereotypes with no real meaning to make them seem foolish. I mean, I could have gotten this particular article from any white supremacist newsletter.

    I’m curious though. Why do you find Borat “racist” but not this particular article?

    It just seems that the “stop whining” or “stop being so PC” is generally directed at only Asian Americans as they have no real political power in this country.

    As the Asian community grows, I believe we’re going to see more hardheadedness when it comes to equating respect with a community that has for so long been ignored.

    I don’t mind racial stereotyping as long as everyone is judged individually but I don’t think that’s the case with most people. All they tend to see are stereotypes and articles like this seem to make the problem worse. Sorry, I don’t give credit to my fellow man.

    Additionally, the sting of Asian American stereotypes wouldn’t be as bad if we had some type of positive counterbalance in American media. So far, all I’ve seen from American media regarding Asian Americans are nothing but derogatory racial stereotypes.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516680

  13. Alexei Poplov wrote:

    Very well written.

  14. Koko wrote:

    These colleges never learn with the racist editorials.

  15. Lyonside wrote:

    Kenny: I agree, except for this:

    >It just seems that the “stop whining” or “stop being so PC” is generally directed at only Asian Americans as they have no real political power in this country.

    Nope, every minority or disenfranchised group gets this - I get it all the time on online forums, and I’m not Asian. The one universal is that the people saying “don’t be PC” are the ones LEAST affected by the stereotype, “joke,” or concept to which we object.

    Please don’t play the “who’s got it worse” game. We all lose.

  16. Rob Schmidt wrote:

    >> My humor button must just be old and rusted, but wouldn’t a joke that DEFIES the stereotypes be poking fun? > Nope, every minority or disenfranchised group gets this - I get it all the time on online forums, and I’m not Asian.

  17. Jeff Yang wrote:

    The New York Times has an interesting piece on the flap, in which the editor in chief of the The Daily Princetonian talks about how the staff of the DP wants to “move on” from the controversy. Unfortunately, one must eat the messes one cooks in the world of media…

    In the article, Princeton prof Chang-rae Lee, author of Native Speaker, gets it dead on:

    Chang-rae Lee, an author and creative writing professor at Princeton who immigrated to the United States from Korea at 3, said of the parody, “It certainly could have been funny, perhaps hilarious, and painfully so, had it smartly satirized and skewered all involved, while underscoring the very complicated issue of Asian-American admissions practices at elite colleges — real and perceived.”

    He added, “Instead the piece employed the easiest, basest stereotypes of culture and character and voice for its sensational aims, offering little more than the most juvenile gloss on the issues.

    “Frankly, the piece astounds me not so much for its racism as its stupidity,” he said.

  18. kim wrote:

    Schmidt-

    Can you expound? What does your getting in in online forums have to do with it not being a smart, effective, obvious way to poke fun at the widely-held stereotype?

  19. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    Those Princeton kids should go write for Studio 60. I’m sure Aaron Sorkin would appreciate their incredibly unfunny jokes.

  20. Tim wrote:

    Excellent response, Mr. Yang.

    I love how Princeton immediately trotted out the “Asian-sounding” names of their staffers as if to somehow justify the insipid racism in their article, similar to how Rosie had the camera pan over a few token Asian American women in her audience who were absently nodding their heads in agreement with her indignant un-apology. As if these staffers and audience members spoke for the entire spectrum of ethnic groups and cultures that were targeted in their failed attempts at making with the funny.

    “We’re sorry you didn’t find our jokes amusing, and for the fact you have no sense of humor. Quite frankly, we’re offended at the very idea that you’re offended, so you actually owe US an apology! And it’s ok if we make these kind of jokes because look, some of our friends are Asians and they don’t mind!” Please.

    The Princeton article wasn’t nearly as clever, nor thought-provoking, as the writers would stubbornly have us believe. Rather, they went the route of the basest, lowest common denominator. There’s a fine line that distinguishes self-deprecating humor from the self-defecating kind.

    It’s a scary thought that these very same Princeton kids are going to become the future leaders of tomorrow, and apparently some have a very low opinion of their own cultural roots, if only subconsciously.

  21. rza wrote:

    Pathetic little kiddie editors take the standard, “if anyone was offended” non-apology apology.

    Ivy league? No, bush league.
    A greater insult i cannot think of.

  22. SK wrote:

    Daily Princetonian Editors say: “We weren’t being racist when we wrote racist statements, we were just humorously condemning racism.”

    I can’t believe we’re even bothering to discuss the legitimacy of such nonsensical justifications. And these are Ivy League students? Passing the buck at its very worst (”I made a mistake, but it’s still YOUR fault”), not to mention the lack of something you’d think would abound in a place such as Princeton, something the rest of the world knows as “logical reasoning.”

    “I wasn’t trying to rape your sister, I was just trying to show the world it is wrong to rape anyone’s sister. That’s WHY I raped your sister.” Yeap, this is the logic behind their defense. As Yang says, hiding the insubstantiality of your plea behing big words doesn’t make your hogwash of an excuse valid, neither does it provide it with any meaning.

    Sethi and Huang, don’t expect your parents to be proud of you. If this is your way to show the world how intellectually “edgy” you are, and how your position as a Princeton student supersedes your affiliation to your own ethnicity, whoever’s paying for your tuition is wasting his/her money.

  23. Barrett wrote:

    In the 1980s, when Eddie Murphy’s notoriety for filthiness and offensiveness was at an all time high, he was asked by Barbara Walters as simple question: “When is a joke in bad taste?” Murphy reflexively responded, “When it’s not funny.”

    While Murphy’s response seems immediately glib and vacuous, it actually makes a lot of sense. If you are pushing the envelope of racism, and no one is laughing, then it’s just straight up racism. On the other hand, laughter–given that humor is inherently based on reversal or surprise of some sort–indicates that at least some level of subversiveness underlies the joke. It is this subversiveness that is necessary for a racially-charged joke to work as satire. Without humor, there is no satire. Without satire, there is nor morally defensible reason for the “joke.”

  24. Matthew wrote:

    As myself an Asian American, I can say that it’s not surprising that there were two Asian Americans trotted out as being on the writing staff. Not just because editors may have known it was going to be offensive, and that putting two “Oriental” sounding names would make it okay, but also that unfourtunately, a lot of Asian Americans don’t identify themselves as a minority subject to racial prejudice. Because of the model minority myth, they more or less are white-identified, and as a result, tend to display either apathy, if not approval of fairly offensive material.

    I was riding on the train and a caucasian guy was talking to an Asian American girl he met on the train. At some point when the issue of the Chinese language was brought up, the guy couldn’t resist bringing up the joke, “Do Chinese people name their kids by throwing pots down stairs? You know, like Ching Chong Ping!”, said in the most Rosie O’Donnell fashion. The girl smiled, and laughed, either refusing to see, or simply ignorant the offensiveness of the racial content.

    The model minority myth is poison, plain and simple. It fools Asians into believe they are not subject to racial prejudice, because the dominant group pets them on the head and tells them they are better than others. It has blinded many Asians to real racial prejudice. I believe that if the racists had patted other minorities on the back for “hard work” and “perserverence” rather than using nightsticks and firehoses, we might still have Jim Crow laws. Killing with kindness, so to speak.

  25. Lyonside wrote:

    >I believe that if the racists had patted other minorities on the back for “hard work” and “perserverence” rather than using nightsticks and firehoses, we might still have Jim Crow laws. Killing with kindness, so to speak.

    And with that line, I flashed to one of the PSAs in Confederate States of America (a History Channel-style mockumentary, cimplete with commercials) : where slaves who find out another slave is about to run off are encouraged to tell Massa and be the “Good Darkie.”

  26. Jankin wrote:

    The response by the staff concerning their “joke” reminded me too much of Jerry Springer and his attempts of enlightening the world with his true message of love and peace for all.

  27. Qwerty wrote:

    You know, I take their word for it - this is crude satire indeed, the ones being satirized are Chinese-Americans, the fodder for derision being the most stomach-churning racist stereotyping. Sometimes, the simplest answer is the correct one.

    As for the get-out-of-jail-free flashing of the race card - “look, we’ve got Asians on our editorial team, we can’t be racist!”, it seems to suggest that different Asian groups cannot be racists or bigots to eachother because they originate from the same continent.

    Elsewhere on College Confidential, a “Princeling” by the name of Tokyorevelation posted to this effect:

    “This has little to do with the issue at hand, but I wonder why ‘Asians’ or ‘Asian-Americans’ consider themselves to be a part of a ‘race’. As far as history tell us, people from Asia, even when coming to the United States, have not been one contiguous group since, say 4000 BC. For example, would a Korean or Korean-American person be personally offended by the joke article, which is clearly mocking Chinese stereotypes? Would he or she assume a larger identity as a so-called ‘Asian’ and consider it an affront? Now I recognize that many people come from a variety of East Asian backgrounds, but I was wondering how people actually feel about being lumped into the “Asian” category. Doesn’t that just invite stereotype, even though clearly it is looked down upon in our society today? The only reason why African-Americans have to lump themselves into their category is because they have no idea where in Africa (or elsewhere, we don’t know for sure) they came from. ‘Latinos’ all speak the same language, and their cultures began at roughly around the same time. So where does that leave ‘Asians’?

    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=290114&page=8

    It really shows how these Asian Princelings think - the joke is on Chinese-Americans, so why are other Asian-Americans offended? Doesn’t the fact that non-Chinese Asians take offense further perpetuate the Asian stereotype of an undifferentiated Asian mass, etc., etc.

    Words fail me, but I can see from such a poster (of Asian background I believe) why and how racism and bigotry from the Asian members of the editorial team towards a fellow Asian-American is completely believable.

    I’m not black, so I shouldn’t be offended by jokes about lynching!!!! Otherwise, I am just playing along with the undifferentiated minority lumpen myth.

    The more they write furiously to defend the pristine flawlessness of their moral character, the clearer it appears that racism is rampant on this campus.

  28. kim wrote:

    The Princeling: “The only reason why African-Americans have to lump themselves into their category is because they have no idea where in Africa (or elsewhere, we don’t know for sure) they came from. ”

    Of course, African-Americans come from America. Now, as to where the antecedents were grabbed, shackled and sardined into hulls of ships…yes, there is the disembodying mystery.

    The Princeling: ‘Latinos’ all speak the same language, and their cultures began at roughly around the same time.”

    The Spanish spoken, and the cultural influences on the language of , say, Puerto Ricans, are not mirror images of that spoken by the Mexican(-American), or the El Salvadoran.

    Ancient cultures that preceded the subjugation of the lands of “Latin America” have points and dates of origin and demise, traditions, religions and behaviors that are as distant, and distinct, from each other as are those of Korea from China (pick your language OR dialect there) from Japan.

    This guy should stay in school, and think about taking some history, and anthropology courses.

    Qwerty took a REALLY long time to squarely place where he/she stood (there were some clear leanings in the second paragraph, true), and that was frightening to me, but interesting in that the delay, and release of the baited breath, is also a device used in literature and comedy to guide the audience to where one would have them go.

    It is the type of device the writers at Princeton could surely learn to employ.

  29. em8chel wrote:

    Jeff:
    I’m not American but have been following the whole controversy closely. By far your article is the most insightful response I’ve read on the net. It’s a serious issue you’re writing about but it’s so much fun to read. I’m actually putting racialicious on my blogroll because of your contribution. Thanks!

    Matthew:
    Good that you point out about some Asian-Americans identifying with white people. I’m actually writing about a phenomenon I call “Boat-Racism”. Race not as in “human race”, but as in “boat race”. It’s about Asian-Americans discriminating about other Asian-Americans. But you see it within any Asian communities around the world too (I am based in Germany).

    The article (part 1) is on my blog:
    http://crypticclarity.com/archives/7#more-7

    Not being American myself (but proud Asian nevertheless), I don’t want to presume too much; any comment or feedback are welcome!

  30. matty wrote:

    I see there are a lot of like minded people on this website, and I’m glad because I agree with most of everything said. However, I’m going to play devils advocate for a moment. Why lump this under rosie/carolla? The Rosie Carolla responses showed that they learned nothing, refuse to learn anything, and will go on being bigoted jack asses. Furthermore it is evident that they think nothing is wrong (the whole guy aoki/carolla honorary asian thing *shudder*). However, at least in the princetonian the editors have asked for discussion/debate. I’m wondering, did any of you write your sensible arguements to the Princetonian? Cause honestly you’re preaching to the choir right now. I’m guessing 99% of the people that read this website share the same views. I sincerely think the Princetonian editors don’t realize that what they said was racist. I mean, when i first read the article i immediately recognized it as satire, albeit really shitty satire, but satire nonetheless. I read it, shrugged my shoulders, and moved on. Chang-rae Lee sums it up the best, more stupid than racist. (If this is the best writing one of the elite schools can muster then the US is in a very sorry state) But putting your comments on this forum, while informative, is going unheard by the countless ignorant, yes ignorant, not necessarily racist. I think instead of reveling in your anger on a cool site like this, you should express it to the Princetonian (maybe you did), teach those people something new.

    Anywho, i found this a very interesting article to read, nice job. But I question the second of the five guidelines. To say that one should probably be of the race sounds dangerously close to being Uncle Tom-ish. It has an air of racial elitism which i consider racist. Why can’t a white person (or person of the dominant group) be able to write a brilliant racialized satire about asian americans? I mean, we’re trying to change dominant ideology, and you know that’s not gonna happen without the dominant group realizing how they’re oppressing others so why not have members from the dominant group write intelligent satire. Yang says being of the race when writing said satire is a practical issue, but that in itself is assuming that everyone from that race has the same sensibilities which is definitely not the case. I mean while some Asian Americans might relate to the overbearing mother that speaks in broken english, there are still plenty that don’t and might find it an offensive stereotype. Minorities are not exempt fromhaving the same ideologies as the dominant group (ie sexism, racism, etc). let’s not forget that. anyway, i doubt i make sense, but if i did cool.

  31. Jimmy wrote:

    I just read your piece, very good points, I was especially offended by the crappy jokes. Honestly, if it was actually funny, it’d be about 50% less offensive to most people.

    That said, you missed out on Nancy Khov as Asian. She went to my high school.

  32. Ashley wrote:

    Nice article, I love it. I’m Chinese, and and a friend of mine was recently shocked when I had the nerve to become offended at a racist Asian joke. Just because some people will take any kind of crap, doesn’t mean I have to. It kind of reminds me of this article- it’s like slapping someone in the face and wondering why they get mad at you.

  33. Oyce wrote:

    Quite frankly, as someone who went there a few years ago, I’m not surprised. When I was there, this sort of thing happened fairly often, with the same lame non-apologies.

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