links for 2006-11-27

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  1. Andrew/Animelee wrote:

    I hate those tests.

    They always start you off associating white with left, and black with right. Then after two rounds of that, they make you associate good with left, and bad with right.

    Then they keep it the same — left white/good, right bad/dark.

    Because of that set up always being the same, most people get “you prefer light people to dark people”.

    One night I keep practicing the patterns of that test, and later that night, I finally got a different response — “you strongly prefer the company of black people to white people”.

    Ah geez.

    Complete and utter bullshit. King of the Hill had an episode about this test, and it was just pure awesome. Peggy got “prefers the company of black people” and Hank got “prefers the company of white people”. And both of them were like “WTF do I press?” during the test. Very accurate.

  2. Lyonside wrote:

    Andrew:

    Thanks for pointing out the right-hand/left-hand bias in a lot of these online tests. Bottom line - as usual, any standardized test reflects the POV/biases of the researchers divising the test.

    I’ve seen another one where they do change them up - it’s the one that varies images with positive/negative words and asks you to select either good or bad, and the right/left dichotomy keeps changing.

  3. Marsha wrote:

    I think the L.A. Times article touched up on something that I prefer to call “polite racism”. I think by now most people know better than to say the “n” word or to overtly discriminate. However, I think that the problem is that most white people think you have to be a member of the KKK or something in order to be a racist. (Thus, some people might think that Richards might not *really* be racist.) In their minds, that’s what a “real racist” is. They don’t stop and check themselves that what they think might be racist. Thus, certain comments in their mind might not really be racist or stereotypes at all because they think you have to be an extremist to be a racist.

  4. Donovon wrote:

    Those tests are only Partially bullshit.

    I study cognitive Psychology at the University of Toronto, and I can definately say, after reading the Post article, that it is true, that we form implicit in-group biases, and that our culture has learned to deny those biases, but not actually change them.

    People see two worlds, the TV world- where everyone is supposed to get along, and their real world- where the black people live in one poor area , the white people another area, they take different buses, talk differently, maybe listen to different music. So, since people believe in the values our culture tells us to believe in, we all think we are not racist. But then a moment comes when we respond to something with a racist implication, “The blacks live over there.” or my favorite “I am not attracted to black guys”, and then we go, “how can i say that? I am not racist?” We can say that because our culture teaches us one thing, yet our actual experience tells us something else.

    This is the essence of cognitive dissonance.

    Also, it is the presumption of anti-racist education. Sort of. If you accept that we live, by default , in a racist culture, and we are all, therefore racist, then we can see how race really plays out in our daily experiences, instead of what we “think” we believe about ourselves.

    Now, unfortunately, the article is more of a cop out. It says, “well, we are all racist according to this study, so we really can’t do much about it.” And that is total bullshit. This study proves one thing, that we are all racist because our experiences in our life have shaped us to be so ( for the vast majority of us), but we are unconsious of it because our culture teaches us that we should not be. How you chose to deal with this information- by working to shape your behavior to match your attitude, or by giving up because you don’t want to even try, THAT is up to you.

    Incidentally, this is one of the steps of how people come to deal with stereotypes. There is stereotype as true (”Black people stink”), then incorporating new information but not changing the stereotype (”Black people stink, but John my boss doesn’t stink”), then there is creating a subgroup within the stereotype(”Black people stink, but bosses who are black don’t stink”), and finally, there is changing of the stereotype (”Maybe black people dont’ stink after all.”)

    America is on step number 2 of that. To put it in an example that relates directly to this dicussion:

    sterotype “I hate black people.”
    new info “”I hate em, but a few odd people don’t”

    new group “I hate em, but educated people don’t, or I hate em, but people who are nice don’t”

    change “I don’t hate black people”

    Now, of course, this only means that the stereotype changes, it does NOT mean the end of creating stereotypes. You can go from “I hate black people” to a postive stereotype like, “I love all black people. Black people are cool.”, But at least it creates a space for improving our attitudes about race. Which I feel, EVERYONE needs to take a more historical analysis of instead of a personal “attitudinal” approach to.

  5. mr guy wrote:

    Nice explanation Donovon.I agree.

  6. Minter wrote:

    It depends what definition of racism you use. In its most obvious form, racism is the belief that your race is superior to others, and what follows is different attitudes towards these other races based on this belief, including discrimination and abuse.

    Then there’s ignorance, which can naturally lead to racism by judging people based on stereotypes. They may not necessarily feel their race is better than another, but preconceptions based either from past experiences, media or social observations will give them a discriminatory attitude towards particular races.

    When it boils down to it, it still qualifies as racism, since it is discrimination through race - but both types are coming from two very different paths, the second being more willing to change their mindset once they meet a person of a certain race that breaks those stereotypes.

  7. S wrote:

    Rocky Road?

    “If You liked ‘Something New’…”

    PLEASE. I could barley stand that movie. That chick was stuck up from the start till almost the end of the movie. Took one of our most prevalent stereotypes (we have bad attitudes) and smeared it all throughout the movie. Then she complained about racism the whole time (which the movie did NOT show much racism beyond her silly client).
    I’d watch Rocky Road if someone else rented it, if it pops up on YouTube or pops up somewhere else for FREE.

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